Comments Steve Erickson has made

  • For example: http://www.grist.org/article/2009-11-16-green-state/ Daniel: Maybe you could design a way to harness the energy from the wind when you blow your strawmen over.On One doctor’s quest to sound the alarm on ‘wind turbine syndrome’ posted 1 week, 2 days ago 60 Responses
  • Daniel: Obviously the real motivation of those (shudder) Birdwatchers who wanted DDT banned was to see little african babies die of Malaria. And obviously any suggestion that a technology that is beginning to be widely deployed might have some negative impacts that weren't foreseen (especially by boosters of that technology) couldn't possibly be correct. When has a newly widely deployed technology ever had unforeseen negative impacts? I'm sure you can't think of a single example, can you. Better not to look; that way there's no danger of actually finding out, one way or the other. After all, its not as if we got into this mess by leaping before looking. So, lets do it some more! Daniel, I don't have a clue what you actually do, but if its at all involved with convincing anyone that Climate Change is real and really bad, I can only hope that you are kept far away from other sentient beings because with friends like you who needs enemies. I don't know if large industrial wind turbines and wind farms effect some people via emitting sound below the threshold of normal hearing, but some impacts on wildlife (those damn "species") are easily foreseeable (habitat fragmentation, direct habitat destruction), while others are unexpected unpleasant surprises (exploding bat lungs, anyone).On One doctor’s quest to sound the alarm on ‘wind turbine syndrome’ posted 1 week, 2 days ago 60 Responses
  • Daniel: I think the most annoying thing about your childish petulant sarcasm is that this is precisely the sort of situation that should be addressable by a good epidemiological study to determine (among other things): 1) Is there a problem? 2) If so, what are its apparent symptoms? 3) What are the key criteria associated with the symptoms (distance, turbine make, etc.)? 4) What proportion of the study population experience symptoms? 6) What are possible solutions - technology alterations or social justice (such as buying the affected out)? But obviously, because you're not affected, no one can be affected. You remind me of every Spray Bo' and "my technology will save us" hubris peddler that I've ever heard. Of course spraying DDT all over the place can't possibly be injurious because the people who spray it say so, and since they spray it, they're the experts. The people who are concerned are obviously just a bunch of NIMBYs or worse, Birdwatchers! What more can you say? Those NIMBYs say they care about birds - or even "species" as I read someone recently writing. And they can't really care about "species," even if that were a reasonable thing to care about, which any right thinking technologist knows they're not. Its obviously a smokescreen for a more nefarious end, like creating socialist environmental facism, or stopping wind power, something like that. Who the hell would ever care about something as unimportant as "species," its downright subversive. And no one in they're right mind would care whether people are possibly hurt by a wonderful technology. Daniel. If the corporado PR flacks didn't have you to point at as an example of how those damn "environmentalists" hate people, they'd have to invent you.On One doctor’s quest to sound the alarm on ‘wind turbine syndrome’ posted 1 week, 3 days ago 60 Responses
  • One need only look at the history of federal environmental legislation in the US to lose any sense of optimism. Consider the Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, and Endangered Species Act. All three have been weakened since adoption by:

    1. Legislative action by the legislative branch of government;

    2. Failure to enforce and rule making evisceration by the executive branch;

    3. Legal interpretation by the judicial branch.

    Expecting future improvements to environmental legislation as originally adopted is optimistic to the point of involving consumption of mind altering substances.

    On Why I'm not freaked out about the Waxman-Markey climate bill posted 5 months ago 36 Responses
  • Its DooWop, 50 years later . . .

    On From Pirates to Parody posted 1 year, 9 months ago 1 Response

  • But when I shoot up that cash

    I feel so good until it wears off. Then I got to have more. More. More. Money Money! It feels so good. Ohhhhhh. . . . . . I'm so stimulated now. Thank you, politicians, thank you. Could I have some more now? Please?

    Steve E. Whidbey Environmental Action Network

    On The latest on green tax breaks in the stimulus bill posted 1 year, 9 months ago 3 Responses
  • Lots of critters get drunk

    I've seen lots of birds fighting over fermented berries. Elephants also get drunk. This is nothing new, though its odd that they died of alcohol poisoning - if that is the cause of death. I think I'd want tot see the results of a serous autopsy before making any conclusions.
    And why should bare-skinned primates have all the fun?

    Steve E. Whidbey Environmental Action Network

    On Birds die in Portland neighborhood after alcohol binge posted 1 year, 9 months ago 3 Responses
  • Backcut says "t's easy to win

    on just a single issue, "monkeywrench" the system and get paid big bucks."

    Please Backcut, tell me how. I've never gotten a dime for the thousands of hours I've spent enforcing environmental laws. Nada. I have had my charming county commissioners spend over $30,000 on a disinformation campaign trying to incite violence against me. Had to be escorted from hearings by the friendlies and look over my shoulder a lot. But that's no reward. Now, BIG BUCKS SOUNDS MORE LIKE IT. That'd be cool to make Big Bucks. Shoot. I got no pension, unlike lifer forest circus timber planners. Tell me how. Please, please, please. Big Bucks. I can't wait.

    Steve E. Whidbey Environmental Action Network

    On Schools should be talking about climate change solutions posted 1 year, 10 months ago 63 Responses
  • These techniques are old

    And in use in various farming systems around the world. Nothing new there to anyone versed in sustainable ag systems, this just proposes to adapt them to industrial farming. Of course, Khosla not being a farmer or knowledgeable doesn't know how to put them together or use them appropriately (i.e. so they work). So don't be too hard on him.

    One system he left out is intercropping and its variants, such as alley cropping.  This is really just polyculture that is more spatially explicit. For example, different crops grown in alternating rows or blocks. In the biofuel fantasy, the perennial cellulose crop would be grown in alternating rows or blocks with annual soil miners (corn, soy). There are lots of variants and higher yields per unit area for the soil miners are typical due to improved soil structure, organic matter, nutrients, etc., as well as microclimate amelioration. If the system is more structurally diverse, then microclimate improvement is probably more pronounced. For example, in the PNW of the US, strips of  N-fixing Red Alder trees being managed by coppicing with pasture or annual crops in-between.

    The Prairie Dog system actually has a lot of potential, but a system of using chickens to harvest the crop might be more realistic. Add a mixmaster to the fuel tube on the biodiesel tractor and you've got a sustainable system!  Sorry, all you vegans and vegetarians out there. I just couldn't resist.

    Steve E. Whidbey Environmental Action Network

    On Better agronomy for energy crops posted 1 year, 10 months ago 14 Responses
  • Most neglected part of the environmental movement

    The most neglected part of the environmental movement in available $$ terms are the local groups attempting to restrain additional sprawl. These are the organizations with the lowest overhead and the least resources. They are also on the front lines of the land use battles. They are continually belittled as nothing more than NIMBYs.

    During the "Death of Environmentalism" book selling campaign (that's all it was, really), I was struck by how easily people who should know better were willing to buy into a paradigm where the environmental movement consisted entirely of large "inside-the-beltway" mega-organizations. Instead of discussing how funding could be better distributed, or how the large orgs could actually work in concert with the local groups, the discussions focused mostly on how the large orgs could be more effective at what they were already doing, ignoring structural changes in the environmental movement that could make the movement itself more effective.

    This article points out some of the basics: remove the subsidies for sprawl. Many of the most apparently intractable environmental problems stem from these subsidies. I include development subsidization by the tax codes here, also.

    NIMBY
    NOPE

    NOT IN MY BACKYARD & NOT ON PLANET EARTH

    Steve E. Whidbey Environmental Action Network

    On Land-use policy is not a laughing matter posted 1 year, 10 months ago 24 Responses
  • Charity Navigator is for the Big Boys

    Be aware that Charity Navigator doesn't review organizations with budgets under 1/2 $million. So if you limit yourself to only those orgs that are passed by them, you're omitting all of the small and local groups. Of course, in the greater scheme of things, these are the groups that probably have the largest impact on land use and that are most starved for funding, because most environmental funding goes to the Inside-the-Beltway DC crowd. The small local groups have the lowest overhead. They just lurch from crisis-to-crisis. That's what made the "Death of Environmentalism" PR campaign to sell what's-their-faces book so funny. The local grassroots groups are as effective as ever, and as starved for resources as ever. Think globablly, act locally.On Umbra on green donations posted 1 year, 10 months ago 21 Responses

  • Where is more oil?

    Nucbuddy at 4:34 PM on 15 Nov 2007
    Over the same time period -- because only a tiny fraction of the total petroleum resources have been so-far tapped,
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    Huh!!!!
    Citation please? What is your source for this claim?

    Steve E.

    On We have $100-a-barrel oil due to speculation and fear posted 2 years ago 54 Responses
  • Endangered Species

    US Fish and Wildlife Service contiually pleads that it lacks the funding necessary to list all of the plant and animal species that qualify for protection under the endangered species act. Yet, the agency never asks for sufficient funding to take care of the backlog. Would you provide the needed funding and appoint an agency director who will be a strong advocate for protection of our biological heritage?

    Steve E.

    On Leave suggestions in comments posted 2 years ago 35 Responses
  • Biosecurity

    Currently, escaped Burmese Pythons,which can grow to over 20 feet, are reproducing and causing havoc in the Everglades. Yet, it is still legal to import this species and the US Fish and Wildlife Service says it doesn't have the funding to go through the process of banning importation. This situation is not unusual with noxious plants and animals. Rarely are control measures taken until after an invasive plant or animal is introduced and becomes a pest.
    Do you support strengthening the laws  and increasing funding to protect america's biosecurity?

    Steve E.

    On Leave suggestions in comments posted 2 years ago 35 Responses
  • Boondoggles & Trashouts

    Don't kid yourself about the Corp. The Society of Wetland Scientists, a professional scientific society that rarely takes a postition on political issues, has isued this alert:

    SWS Public Policy Alert

    One mission of SWS is to actively promote the inclusion of sound science in wetland policy and stewardship. To this end, I wish to bring to your attention a proposed Army Corps of Engineers (ACOE) project that will drain approximately 26,300 acres of forested wetlands and farmed hydric soils, and could impact 200,000 acres of wetlands.  The purpose of the project is to increase agriculture on lands that routinely flood (80% of projected benefits) and protect roads and other structures (20% of projected benefits). The project includes a reforestation component.

    The ACOE will release its final Environmental Impact Statement recommending construction of the Yazoo Pumps around November 9. Within 25 days of release, the Department of the Interior must decide whether to refer the project to the Council on Environmental Quality. In addition, the Environmental Protection Agency may initiate a process to veto the project outright under the Clean Water Act.

    Critical deadlines for commenting on the project are approaching, the earliest of which falls on November 19th. The following resources are available to you for learning more about this proposal, and communicating your opinion to the Department of Interior, EPA and the ACOE.

    Sincerely yours,

    J. Patrick Megonigal, Ph.D.
    SWS President

    Steve E.

    On Why Bush's water-bill veto was actually a good idea posted 2 years ago 11 Responses
  • They make more noise

     . . . when they hit it. "Ouch," they squeal!

    Steve E.

    On Do the experts know anything about oil prices? posted 2 years ago 12 Responses
  • Mayor governs city, not region

    JB: "So, the "Mayor of Seattle" getting a lot of press for climate change is like an alderman from Rhode Island getting praise for his stance on foreign policy."
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    The "Mayor of Seattle" is Mayor of Seattle, not the entire Puget Sound region. What would you suggest he do about the Island County Commissioners failure to do anything about greenhouse gas emissions? He has no jurisdiction there!
    How about you, JB? What have you done about muscular dystrophy in Fargo, North Dakota?
    At least stay vaguely on topic.

    Steve E.

    On Is there another side to Seattle's good news? posted 2 years ago 11 Responses
  • Mature subsidies?

    JB posted:
    The Bush Administration simply took a look at the roles best for business and Government.
    Solar cells are a mature technology -- the have large and small going concerns to keep research alive.
    . . .now the benefits (Chevy Equinox SUV) are here.
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    Huh? Then why the multi-billions for coal and nuclear?
    And I don't think there are going to be other than demonstration fuel cell vehicles on the market for a long time.

    Steve E.

    On Drifting toward disaster posted 2 years ago 6 Responses
  • Not exactly free

    This recovered energy is not free, non-polluting, carbon-free, etc. If it becomes part of the output of a consuming entity (i.e. factory with a high unused process heat), than the recovered energy ultimately embodies part of the pollution costs of the entity. The gross amount of pollution generated by the entity is still the same, but the useful output (widgets, energy, etc.) per unit of pollution decreases. This is a good thing, but we should be precise in our language. For example, if a widget factory is using energy from coal but the waste process heat is being recovered, its still polluting. Its just not polluting as much relative to its beneficial outputs. Assuming the widgets it makes are beneficial.

    Steve E.

    On A very promising climate change solution with an image problem posted 2 years ago 15 Responses
  • What's your PhD in?

    And what fields have you done research in?
    Normally, I could care less whether you have a fud, but you are so adamant about having it. This suggests to me one of two possibilities:

    1. Your Doctarate and research are in a field relevant to this subject, e.g., climatology, etc.
    2. You are terribly insecure and desperately want to inpress people.

    So what is your fud in and what research have you done? Have your peers in that field shown you respect by giving you any honors or appointments? Any published peer reviewed research?

    Steve E.

    On One last rant from the Senate's loopy streetcorner anti-prophet posted 2 years, 1 month ago 34 Responses
  • Have you got stock . .

    . . . in one of the companies pushing this? You repeat this paragraph in almost every post you make:

    "I suggest a low cost method called "biosequestration"-seed an extensively tested GMO into the ocean to remove tremendous quantities of carbon from the air, and put it back into the ground where it came from."

    It contains numerous assumptions, including:

    1. GMOs can be extensively tested to indicate what they'll do when released into the open environment, and that the effects of such release can be accurately predicted and are tolerable.

    2. A "magic" GMO organism released into the ocean actually can and in practice will take up "tremendous quantities" of atmospheric carbon.

    3. That carbon will then actually be "biosequestered" and not simply cycle back into the atmosphere.

    4. If the biosequestered carbon remains in the marine environment, its impacts are tolerable.

    5. And that this will somehow end up with the carbon being "put it back into the ground where it came from."

    Nothing personal, but I have a problem with used car salesman and that's what you're sounding like. Maybe you could address some of the assumptions that you are implicitly and explicitly making with this refrain.On Photos of species threatened by climate change posted 2 years, 1 month ago 8 Responses
  • Up & Down

    Under the rules of statutory construction you can't assume that what makes rational sense is what was meant. If the 1-2 rule says 1 flight up and 2 flights down, that's what it means. Better start climbing.
    Let's just hope that DOE doesn't make it a formal rule. First off,  the hearings on it will be impossible to find - unless the directions take the 1-2 rule into account. Otherwise, people going to the hearing will end up on the wrong floor if they prematurely follow the rule!
    On the other hand, there is already a catchy jingle to help people remember the 1-2 rule: 1, 2, Buckle my shoe . . . I can just hear the Public Service Announcements.
    But we really need a full cycle analysis accounting for how much extra energy is consumed by people going up 1 flight and then down 2 twice to get to where they could have gotten if they'd only gone directly to where they were going in the first place. And of course, for those of us who don't work or live in places with elevators, think about all the energy consumed in manufacturing and installing elevators so that we can then save energy by not using them and instead going up one flight and down 2. In fact, some places will have to install whole new floors on the buildings so that  a simple 1 - 2 is even possible. I'm confident that DOE will help out with this, however, since they're environmentalists 2.
    Oh, the mind just boggles!  

    Steve E.

    On October is Energy Awareness Month posted 2 years, 1 month ago 3 Responses
  • New Trolls

    Two new trolls! That's some good bait you used, Dave.

    Steve E.

    On The fight against coal makes for strange bedfellows out West posted 2 years, 1 month ago 3 Responses
  • Geo Engineering & Hubris

    The inherent problem with geoengineering is that we really don't know anywhere near as much as we think we do.

    Steve E.

    On Climate change mitigation strategy could actually damage the planet posted 2 years, 1 month ago 2 Responses
  • When the chips are down . . . Litigation

    I've got to say that the most effective tool we've had at the local level (Island County, Washington) has consistently been litigation. I fully understand that having good people in office and maintaining pressure on them might after a decade or two start to reform the incredibly pro-development political, social, economic, and legal structures  that are in place, but in the meantime there's nothing that been as effective as simply suing the bastards and winning. And with a good win/loss record, the mere unspoken threat of litigation beomes a fairly potent brake on a lot of the more outrageous trashouts before they get off the drawing board.  
    Of course, I'm talking about the local and sub-regional level, which is where the cement, asphalt, suburban lawns, and pesticides hit the prairie, wetland, forest, and farmland. Saving your backyard is nowhere near as romantic as being a policy wonk working on "the big picture." But its also where most of the degradation occurs. It also gets virtually no support from the "larger" environmental community (i.e. foundations, national organizations, etc.). Sometimes the media is favorable, sometimes its hostile.
    Glenn: I'm curious how much/if the organizer training teaches you how to deal with being personally hated by a large proportion of the community you live in, or having the organs of government organize mass meetings that are thinly disguised attempts to incite violence  against you, and, of course, that ever necessary skill of maintaining personal security (e.g. eyes in the back of your head)? Like it or not, these are necessary skills. Or is the training ulitmately going to simply produce the next generation of isolated DC policy wonks?

    Steve E.

    On How should the environmental movement spend its money? posted 2 years, 1 month ago 3 Responses
  • Risk Takes

    I agree that there is a very high proportion of "risk takers" on bikes. I live in a semi-rural area. Stayng within the bike lane on busy roads is something a lot of bikers seem incapable of. Staying to the right on blind curves is another. Since I was taught to drive defensively (imagine what the other people might do and what you escape would be), I'm always wondering when I encounter these people (usually at least once a week) what I'll do if if its a choice between me having a head-on collision or hitting them.

    Steve E.

    On Not pedaling can kill you posted 2 years, 1 month ago 12 Responses
  • Reality

    You'd best read up on the relevant laws. And if your postings read like they're written by an early adolescent male who starts repeating neo-con talking points by rote sometimes, guess how people will respond to you?

    Steve E.

    On Sarkozy pushes proposals on energy and the environment posted 2 years, 1 month ago 14 Responses
  • Typo correction

    Oops. not
    dollowing public policy pollsters

    but
    following public policy pollsters

    Steve E.

    On Hillary lays out science proposals posted 2 years, 1 month ago 10 Responses
  • The Time Has Come

     if the space program hasn't advanced several generations beyond its current level, where are all these people going to go?
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    We have existing technology that is more than adequate to bomb the earth with condoms. We don't need more research to do this - only the will. Until environmentalists realize that the true path is only known by dollowing public policy pollsters dedicated to educating foundations about why they are the ones who should get the big bucks, we will continue to see the earth suffer the death of the thousand blogs. One blog at a time may not be injurious - but a thousand?!?!? How much longer can the Earth endure? Surely it is time to embark on a new vessel to carry us in a different direction on our journey. Etc. & Etc.

    Steve E.

    On Hillary lays out science proposals posted 2 years, 1 month ago 10 Responses
  • Humane considerations

    Lets's consider the various risk factors here.
    *Kill the mice (which are actually probably European non-natives).
    They die fast and then become foodstock in the chain of life.  If you're really good at case skinning (as my partner is), they make wonderful finger puppets - they're really cute with the whiskers still on. Just be careful about fleas.  Kids love 'em.

    *Transport them out-of-sight and out-of-mind. After all, if you don't know, then you're not responsible.
    They possibly transport diseases to infect others.
    They compete with  other organisms that are already there that occupy the same or overlapping niche/trophic level.
    The increased population puts more stress on the resources (i.e. the things they eat) and the organisms that are already there that eat the same stuff, use the same housing, etc.
    The little meeces may make a nice snack for a hawk or an owl.
    They may be dropped off where the species isn't currently established and establish a new population. I hear rats and European house mice don't occur in Anarctica - yet.

    Umbra:
    Yoy may win points with the PETA crowd, but this ecologist gives you an F in environmental conservation and comprehension. If you visit Florida, I do hope you don't have an unfortunate encounter with an 18 foot Burmese Python - but it really was cute when it was small!   On Umbra on live trapping posted 2 years, 1 month ago 28 Responses

  • Electric Heat is inefficient . . .

    So Smaug, what you should have gotten was a gas tankless heater. These are quite efficient at converting energy into hot water.

    Steve E.

    On On-demand water heaters rock posted 2 years, 2 months ago 15 Responses
  • The solution

    Turn it over to Haitian refugees.

    Steve E.

    On Should USGBC certify a 15,000-sq.-ft. home as green? posted 2 years, 2 months ago 40 Responses
  • Too many strawmen

    If I correctly understand the PETA philosophy, "exploitation" of animals is immoral. This would seem to include:

    *Using animals for draft power in farming (those immoral Amish and numerous 3rd world peoples!)
    *Keeping bees for honey or raising bees for the explicit purpose of pollinating crops
    *In any way consciously manipulating vegetation or land use so as to create conditions favorable for animals that provide beneficial services to humans. This includes consciously growing or creating the conditions to grow plants that harbor (e.g.) wild pollinating insects orinsects that predate other insects that attack crop plants.

    This is an interesting philosphical position to some, but seems to me to be so divorced from the real word that I've come to the conclusion that the people holding this position are also divorced from the real world. By this I mean that they have no conception about how farming systems of any sort actually function. Use of manure is only the tiniest tip of the iceberg of the way in which animals participate and are used in farming systems. An example: in central Washington a non-native leaf roller is a major pest in apple orchids, for which farmers use gobs of expensive pesticides. A native leaf roller occurs on the native wild rose. There is a native parasite that preys on these insects. When these wild roses are near and around the orchards, the parasite of the native leaf rollers suppress the non-native pestiferous leaf rollers. A farmer that plants the wild rose will likely reduce or eliminate major pesticide use as well as provide habitat for numerous other organisms. But under PETA's philosphical stance, the farmer would be committing a sin. She is "exploiting" the native leaf rollers and their parasites, as well as killing the non-native leaf roller. I find this world view bizarre. Putting it bluntly, just wearing polyester or pesticide soaked cotton is not sustainable, and as an environmentalist concerned about the future (including humans), my goal is sustainability.

    Steve E.

    On PETA VP argues vegetarianism is the best way to help the planet posted 2 years, 2 months ago 77 Responses
  • Too many strawmen

    If I correctly understand the PETA philosophy, "exploitation" of animals is immoral. This would seem to include:

    *Using animals for draft power in farming (those immoral Amish and numerous 3rd world peoples!)
    *Keeping bees for honey or raising bees for the explicit purpose of pollinating crops
    *In any way consciously manipulating vegetation or land use so as to create conditions favorable for animals that provide beneficial services to humans. This includes consciously growing or creating the conditions to grow plants that harbor (e.g.) wild pollinating insects orinsects that predate other insects that attack crop plants.

    This is an interesting philosphical position to some, but seems to me to be so divorced from the real word that I've come to the conclusion that the people holding this position are also divorced from the real world. By this I mean that they have no conception about how farming systems of any sort actually function. Use of manure is only the tiniest tip of the iceberg of the way in which animals participate and are used in farming systems. An example: in central Washington a non-native leaf roller is a major pest in apple orchids, for which farmers use gobs of expensive pesticides. A native leaf roller occurs on the native wild rose. There is a native parasite that preys on these insects. When these wild roses are near and around the orchards, the parasite of the native leaf rollers suppress the non-native pestiferous leaf rollers. A farmer that plants the wild rose will likely reduce or eliminate major pesticide use as well as provide habitat for numerous other organisms. But under PETA's philosphical stance, the farmer would be committing a sin. She is "exploiting" the native leaf rollers and their parasites, as well as killing the non-native leaf roller. I find this world view bizarre. Putting it bluntly, just wearing polyester or pesticide soaked cotton is not sustainable, and as an environmentalist concerned about the future (including humans), my goal is sustainability.

    Steve E.

    On PETA VP argues vegetarianism is the best way to help the planet posted 2 years, 2 months ago 77 Responses
  • Calling Dave Roberts

    Dave, I believe in light moderation and the free exchange of ideas, but this discussion has been hijacked by trolls. I'd really like to see a discussion of various conceptions and visions of sustainable agriculture. Can we have such without it being hijacked?

    Steve E.

    On PETA VP argues vegetarianism is the best way to help the planet posted 2 years, 2 months ago 77 Responses
  • Ridiculous

    "For any vegetarian who is not a biological pacifist, there would not seem to be any difficulty in distinguishing ethically between insects and plants on the one hand, and animals and humans on the other."

    Earth to VasuMurti:

    1. Insects are animals.
    2. This is not an animal rights site.

    Question:
    Are you a sentiient being? Would you like to interact with other sentient beings (assuming you are one)? Prove it by responding to some of the posts.

    Steve E.

    On PETA VP argues vegetarianism is the best way to help the planet posted 2 years, 2 months ago 77 Responses
  • Is this an animal rights blog?

    "I challenge all of you who would have "meat in moderation" to chase down your food and kill it with your bare hands. "

    1. WTF does this have to do with the environmental impacts of eating or raising meat? (Also applies to numerous long tendentious postings by VasuMurti and other fanatic veg*ns).

    2. Sarcastic response a:
    Am I allowed to eat road kill? Oh no! That's using technology!

    3. Sarcastic response b:
    Better give up using that flat rock to sharpen your nails when you go huntng - that's technology!

    4. Sarcastic response c:
    Better give up clothes, including footwear - that's technology!

    5. Sarcastic response d:
    Better give up birth control - that's technology! And that'll really help the environment.

    Steve E.

    On PETA VP argues vegetarianism is the best way to help the planet posted 2 years, 2 months ago 77 Responses
  • Conflating all farming systems with factory system

    "Over the past 20 years, the environmental argument against growing crops to be fed to animals . . ."

    *Again, conflating all Inclusion of animals in farming systems with a particular modern industrial system.

    "Aquaculture is even worse than commercial fishing because, for starters, it takes about four pounds of wild-caught fish to reap just one pound of farmed fish . . ."

    *Consider a traditional aquaculture system from SE Asia. The privy and/or chicken pen is elevated over a pond. Guess where the manure goes, where it then nourishes the plant and animal life that the fish feed on. And then humans eat the fish. Again, PETA conflates all systems that produce animal products for human use with the very worst abuses of industrial civilization.

    Surely by now the non-religious (e.g. veg*n as a matter of faith)readers of these various threads will have noticed that all of PETA's non-ethical or moral arguments apply equally well to the raising of vegetables. Much vegetative matter for human consumption is raised in socially unjust settings with environmentally horrendus methods and materials. Therefore, these are the only methods and materials that are currently used anywhere. More importantly, for those seeking to change the status quo, these are the only methods and materials that ever have or could be used. If you beleive raising animals to eat them is slavery (a moral position) this makes sense. If instead your concern is the environmental effects of current human use of other animals, this logial position is irredeemably flawed. And if you want to think about future sustainability of human existence, PETA's stance is downright injurious. I'll say it again: without animals, there can't be a sustainable farming system.

    I find PETA's arguments dishonest. They're real objection is moral and ethical, not environmental.

    Steve E.

    On PETA VP argues vegetarianism is the best way to help the planet posted 2 years, 2 months ago 77 Responses
  • Apocalypse now No! Apocalypse then.

    "By the year 2100, humankind will need to produce and consume roughly 60 terawatts of energy if every human on earth is to reach the level of prosperity enjoyed today by the world's wealthiest one billion people. Even if economies were to become much more efficient, the total terawatts needed to bring all of humankind out of poverty would still need to roughly double by 2050 and triple by century's end."

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    With the above statement, these policy wonks fall into the trap almost every economist falls into. They fail to consider all the impacts. "Level of prosperity"  is shorthand for "consumption of materials and (mostly natural) services." The posited levels of consumption will run into limiting factors other than energy long before energy consumption becomes the limiting factor.

    Steve E.

    On On subsidizing 'green' energy R&D posted 2 years, 2 months ago 3 Responses
  • carnivores,omnivores, herbivores, just plain bores

    Our evolutionary history is as ominvores. We are generalists, which is why we've been so successful.

    That said, there is a wide range of possible systems for providing animal products. Factory farms and hunter-gatherer bands are not the only options.

    Reading this and the other related blogs has impressed one thing on me: How easily people get distracted. For those  who believe in not killing animals, this is not a subject amenable to rational discussion - it is a matter of faith. Environmental concerns are peripheral.

    However, for those of us who do not subscribe to this belief, I think we should be focusing on what sort of systems we want to produce our food - including animals.

    And now for the humor:
    I once met a woman who worked at PETA's Washington, DC office. She got fired for wearing a wool sweater to work one day.

    Steve E.

    On Animal-rights group makes the stupid claim that enviros must be vegetarians posted 2 years, 2 months ago 208 Responses
  • Sustainable farming requires animals

    "Vegan means eating no animal-derived food;"

    *So, you only eat vegetative matter from wind pollinated plants grown in moncultures?

    "eating animal products is hugely resource intensive and polluting."

    * Factory farming is not the only farming system possible. I think I'll get one of the chickens out of the freezer. A friend of ours decided it was time to go for some of the older hens. We caught 'em, killed 'em, butchered 'em, put them in the freezer, and now we're eating them. We did drive 10 miles to his place and used plastic bags to put the carcasses in for freezing. This is still probably less resource intensive than buying a factory chicken to eat and probably less than eating food of any sort trucked several thousand miles.

    Biodiverse:
    I'm very curious what the impact on carbon footprints would be if first world suburban households on their lawns raised smaller livestock (poultry, rabbits, sheep, pigs, goats, etc.), without external inputs. Those suburban lawns are a lot of potential pasture and if they're in the first world there is lots of additional food around for the scarfing to feeds the animals. Consider a few free range chickens. Figure one egg every other day per bird during the warm season. Plus the carcasses. No trucking. I've known people in the city who have done this and its really not very difficult. The individual impact would probably be minor, but in the aggregate it would be large. Especially if the critters replace weed-and-feed and lawnmowers.

    I'll repeat what I've been saying in previous posts. Factory farming of animals is quite a recent development and is hardly the only agricultural model. I'm not talking about factory farming. I don't believe its possible to have a sustainable farming system without animals.

    Steve E.

    On Veganism: All or nothing? posted 2 years, 2 months ago 30 Responses
  • Future farming systems?

    Lets see, Its acceptable and standard for discussions in enviro circles about enviro problems to posit future conditions, systems, technologies, etc. that will end or avoid the existing problems. For example, conservation reserve networks, community based conservation, adequate enforcement of environmental laws, replacing long-lived bioaccumualtive toxic substances with more benign substances, increased transport fuel efficiency, effective mass transit, better human settlement patterns, etc.

    However, this forward looking thinking just doesn't seem to happen in regards to human use of other animals, including for food. I presume that this is because some people regard eating meat as a moral issue, since it inevitably involves killing animals or at least eating those that die in less human deliberated fashion (i.e. road kills, scavenged carcasses). The extreme end of this philosophical strain rejects any human "exploitation" of animals, though I've never heard any of these people complain about the work bees and other invertebrates do for humans, wihtout which we'd all be dead.

    How about if we approach this issue (animals in farming systems) the same way we approach these other "problems?" What do we want the  farming systems of the future to be like? Will they be industrialized production of Soylent Green (so much more efficient than feeding the algae to animals)? Will the surviviors of the collapse revert to traditional hunter/gatherer lifestyles? Will we live in structures made of geneticaly engineered materials that are alive and also provide food?

    If none of these seem attractive to you, then what is your vision? Mine has animals integrated into the system for power, nutrient cycling, and provision of goods, including food. I simply don't see how a farming system can be sustainable without animals. If anyone knows of any farming system that is, please share your information. Please, no "how to grow more vegetables in a square foot than you can imagine." These extremely intensive systems all require importation of vast amounts of organic matter (usually including animal manure) from off-site.

    Or can't people on this thread envision a farming system different than the existing system? That's a challenge.

    Steve E.

    On On PETA's latest campaign posted 2 years, 2 months ago 256 Responses
  • Polar Bear Population estimates

    Re: Piolar Bear population increase:
    The citation in the last posting ("[36]") links to the Humane Society web page. I was unable to find this factoid at all, let alone a further citation to, e.g., a population survey or published estimate.

    And regarding the National Center for Policy Analysis:
    This from its website:

    "The NCPA's goal is to develop and promote private alternatives to government regulation and control, solving problems by relying on the strength of the competitive, entrepreneurial private sector. Topics include reforms in health care, taxes, Social Security, welfare, criminal justice, education and environmental regulation."

    Burnett is listed as one of its "experts," but no qualifications are given. However: http://www.ncpa.org/abo/staff/sburnett.html tells us:
    -------
    H. Sterling Burnett, Ph.D.
    Senior Fellow
    H. Sterling Burnett , Ph.D. is a Senior Fellow for the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA). While Burnett works on a number of issues, he specializes in issues involving environmental policy.

    He has held various positions in professional and public policy organizations, including serving as a member of the new Environment and Natural Resources Task Force in the Texas Comptroller's e-Texas commission (2000).

    President (2005), Board of Directors (present), Dallas Woods and Water Conservation Club.

    Advisor, American Legislative Exchange Council Energy, Environment, Natural Resources and Agriculture Task Force, 1996 - Present.

    Senior Fellow, Texas Public Policy Foundation (2005 - Present).

    Contributing Editor, Environment & Climate News (2005 - Present).

    Academic Advisor, Collegians for a Constructive Tomorrow (2005 - Present).

    Brand Visiting Chair of Free Enterprise and Public Policy at Howard Payne University , 1998.

    PERC Fellow, Political Economy Research Center , 1995.

    Research Assistant, Social Philosophy and Policy Center , 1991 - 1992.

    Environmental Research Associate, Competitive Enterprise Institute, 1990.

    Research Associate, Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment, 1987.

    Policy issues spokesman on nationally syndicated radio and television talk shows.

    His articles and opinion pieces have been published in Ethics, Environmental Ethics, International Studies in Philosophy, The World and I, USA Today, Los Angeles Daily News, The Washington Times, Washington Post, The Dallas Morning News, Houston Chronicle, Rocky Mountain News, Miami Herald, Las Vegas Review-Journal, Detroit News, The Seattle Times and Human Events.

    Burnett received his P.h.D. in 2001 from Bowling Green State University. His doctoral dissertation was "Ecosystemic Goods: The Pros and Cons of a Property Rights Approach."
    ------------

    So it appears that Burnett's entire career has been devoted studying and advocating a particular ideological position that is presumed to overlay and ultimately control all other factors.

    So whether there actually is a source for the oft repeated and claim low population estimates for Polar Bear pre-1990's, its a pretty good bet that Burnett didn't produce it. He jsut doesn't sound like the kind of guy who would be counting tiny white blobs from a freezing small airplane, or performing statistical analysis of chnages in Iunit Polar Bear hunt success rates, or nay of the other myriad methods that might be used to derive a population estimate.

    Note that Mitchell K. Taylor does appear to be a serious Ursus researcher, with credited publications in peer reviewed journals. However, he is not the person credited in the Wikipedia article with the earlier population estimate(s).  

    Steve E.

    On The great polar bear irony posted 2 years, 2 months ago 11 Responses
  • Industrial vegie-culture or meat-culture?

    PETA withdraws support from the industrial meat culture and instead supports industrial vegie-culture. Neither of these is sustainable.

    This comes down to how you define the problem. PETA doesn't give a rat's ass about climate change. They believe that eating animals is immoral. Their newfound discovery of climate change is simply an ad campaign of convenience.

    I define the problem differently:
    What would a sustainable food system look like for humans on this planet?

    I don't believe its possible without having animals integrated into the system. And if there's critters available, people will use them for everything useful our inventive minds can come up with, including food.

    Steve E.

    On Animal-rights group makes the stupid claim that enviros must be vegetarians posted 2 years, 2 months ago 208 Responses
  • Animals are essential to sustainable agriculture

    The problem I have with PETA's position is that it isn't based on any sort of wholistic analysis of what the future is apt to be like (assuming we want it to be sustainable), but on a narrow moral position that doesn't account for ecological realities and makes sense only within a very short temporal framework. Its simply not possible to have a sustainable agricultural system (not to be confused with the current industrial mess that supplies most of the food) without having animals in it. And if people have animals, they will exploit them for meat and other foodstuffs. Its our evolutionary history.

    Think practically. When petro fuel makes long distance transportation of most goods, including food, prohibitively expensive, will preparation of land for planting be done by:
    a. Biodiesel or vegetable oil fueled machinery.
    b. Horses, oxen, or other draft animals.
    c. Biological "no-till" methods, such as "chicken tractors."

    All of these methods require additional land in addition that actually used for growing the vegetable crop.

    The first must have additional land left fallow to recover from the biomass removal invovled in producing the oil seed for fuel. It provides a motive source. It saves labor, but requires a large industrial infrastructure to support.

    The second and third options require additional land for support of the animals, either directly (pasture and hay for the horses/oxen) or indirectly (land not used for growing the crop that the chickens are rotated onto). Like the first option, these both save labor. But in addition, these options can enhance the fertility of the farmland so its not "mined" of nutrients and retains tilth. And they provide something else that our bodies have evolved to take advantage of: protein and nutrients that have been concentrated by other animals. They are also self-replicating; industrial infrastructure isn't needed to create and maintain horses and chickens. And a dead horse or chicken can be recycled much more easily than a dead tractor. Think compost. Think dinner. Think food for the dog that keeps the coyotes away from the chickens.

    I think that any discussion that doesn't base its view on a possible future society that is sutainable in the most basic sense is shortsighted and not very useful, given the crisis that our species is causing in the biosphere (and not just from climate change). And ultra-vegetarianism is not systemically sustainable.

    Steve E.

    On Animal-rights group makes the stupid claim that enviros must be vegetarians posted 2 years, 2 months ago 208 Responses
  • Silly statements

    "Yes, there is a disposal problem.  But the time horizon on that problem is a lot farther off than the time horizon on global warming, suggesting more urgency on the latter."

    *It is? Can you say Yucca Mountain? Can you say mountains of waste from mining blowing around? Can you say Rio Puerco? Chernobyl? I know - Chernobyl and the Rio Puerco "events" were "accidents" and "accidents" don't happen because they unplanned and also because they don't exist - they're "events," after all!7 The difference between global warming and nuclear power in terms of their "time horizon" is that nuke waste is longer lived!

    "A few environmentalists, including former leader of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore, are trying to work with industry and you insist attacking them."

    *Quite a few neo-cons were once leftists. Are they still leftists? No. They have changed and are now something else. SImilarly, Patrick Moore is not now an environmentalist. And he isn't "trying to work with industry." He is working FOR industry for direct financial compensation. This isn't in any way fuzzy. He is not on the Board of a group that gets grants from industry controlled foundations. He gets paid directly by polluting industries, including the chemical  (i.e. PBDEs) and nuclear industries.

    Steve E.

    On BusinessWeek allows Whitman to lobby for nukes under the guise of an op-ed posted 2 years, 2 months ago 16 Responses
  • Voluntary actions can be an excuse

    I've also seen reliance on voluntary actions used as an excuse to not have regulatory mandates. We're in court because our county is relying on unworkable "voluntary" protection of wetlands rather than mandatory protections. Some of the County's voluntary measures that relieve property owners of mandated protection are ludicrous (i.e being registered in a "backyard wildlife sanctuary program").
    I'm sure there are other examples of this phenomenon. Imagine the politicos: "sales of CFLs are up 400%, so we don't need to address climate change."
    This is the flip downside of voluntary action - it may be used by the politicos as an excuse not to take the hard regulatory steps.

    Steve E.

    On Social scientists respond to Mike Tidwell posted 2 years, 2 months ago 39 Responses
  • Cherrypicking the evidence

    The female hominids relied on in support of this thesis are:
    Rachel Carson
    Janet Welsh Brown (World Resources Institute)
    Vandana Shiva
    Gro Harlem Brundtland (prime minister of Norway)

    All greenies and pretty well known as such - give or take a bit of Whale hunting by Norway.

    The male hominids relied on in support of this thesis are:

    Bush
    Thomas L. Friedman (mainstream journalist)
    Harvey Mansfield (Harvard professor)

    All brownies and pretty well known as such.

    In other words, the authors rely on well known female greenies to establish that there is an explicitly female perspective and that this is dominant amongst all or most females. To show that males have an altogether different perspective, they rely on well known male brownies to establish what the supposed "male" perspective is.

    Its an interesting thesis, and they should see if there is evidence consistently supporting it, rather than what they've done here. Exploration of equally well known comparable male greenies, perhaps? Of female brownies?

    My personal bias regarding attempts to show that everything can be explained in terms of gender is that its BS. And that's why Golda Meir was not gentle and peaceful, Margaret Thatcher was a semi-fascist, and you would not want Julie MacDonald to come out of her recent retirement from government service to head EPA.On Is the environmental movement losing touch with its feminine side? posted 2 years, 3 months ago 17 Responses

  • CO2 Fuel of the Future

    As usual Tex, you're jumping to conclusions that fit your agenda. Read the article you quoted. Most basically, its a long long way from here  - early promising research - to there - a mass scale method for "fixing" CO2 from burning fossil fuels in a relatively energy efficient full cycle process that also ties up the CO2 (i.e. keeps it out of the atmosphere) for very long periods of time (>1000s of years).
    By the way, are you able to charge more for your services by calling them "memetics" than the more common terms "public relations" or "propaganda?"

    Steve E.

    On Setting a standard for other candidates, perhaps? posted 2 years, 8 months ago 6 Responses
  • Hypocrite Disclosure Club

    Let's start The Hypocrite Full Disclosure Club open to all who wish to come clean about their trangressions. Of course, participation will nullify any and all chances to ever advise other people regarding whatever it is that you've been hypocritical about!

    I'll start:
    I've lied in love.

    So I'm now obviously not morally suitable to ever advise anyone else regarding their love life, or lack thereof. And I was so looking forward to changing my name to Anne Landers.

    Steve E.

    On Same as it ever was posted 2 years, 9 months ago 37 Responses
  • Ask 'Em!

    In the interests of journalism I've just sent a simple message to:
    info@tennesseepolicy.org

    Could you please tell me what your data sources were and the
    methodology used for determining Al Gore's consumption of
    electricity?
    Thank you,

    Perhaps others would also like to ask TP.org about this?

    Steve E.

    On Same as it ever was posted 2 years, 9 months ago 37 Responses
  • Follow the Money

    This is a silly discussion that was launched by someone who is way too fixated on their own navel. The vast vast majority (on the order of 90%) of charitable giving in the US is to 'people" causes - churches, educational institutions, people feeding, etc. Somewhere around 5% goes to "environmental" causes and about half of that is snapped up by the "big boys." Less than 3% of charitable giving in the US goes to local or regional environmental groups. And a supposed "environmentalist" thinks this pittance should also go to "people" causes?

    This discussion reminds me of unpleasant interactions with people who believe that if you're not trying to "save the _" (insert the cause of the month: rain forest, whales, starving children in Africa, Leonard Peltier, political power for the Democratic Party, etc.) than you're not working on the really important issue. This is a very clever technique designed and intended to paralyze people. Keep 'em in a tizzy, hopping around to wahtever the current fad is, rather than concentrate on anything long enough to actually have an impact. They can "act" be sending money to a "cause" that's physically remote from them, so they themselves never ever have to actually do anything. And they never have to establish a personal emotional connection with their immediate environs (i.e. where they live), so they don't defend it, fight for it, protect it, maintain it, restore it.

    Steve E.

    On How do you choose yours? posted 2 years, 9 months ago 54 Responses
  • KISS

    Think of it this way:
    You've got 10 seconds in an elevator to insult some earth destroying moron.

    Two rules:
    Keep It Simple Stupid!
    and
    Say it with a smile on your face

    Child hating SUV suckers
    Selfish me-firster
    Property wrongster
    Greedy future masher
    Poison spewing fools
    Nature killers
    Future destroyers
    Bed pissing corporationsOn The history of tree-hugging, and the future of name-calling posted 3 years, 1 month ago 9 Responses

  • More loss of the commons

    Once upon a time "recycled" building materials were what poor and creative people used. Poor people used them because they didn't have the bucks for spiffy new. Creative types used them because - well, they're pretty variable. Non-standard, as they say.
    For instance, my life mate ran the dump for a few years in the late 1970's, before recycling was groovy and when it was still frowned upon by the powers that be. She didn't have much in the way of money, but she was able to get a lot of stuff. When her single wide trailer started leaking, she built a roof over it and kept going. Its funky and not up to code, but someone is still living in that 288 square foot domicile.
    This changed in the 1990's. As an activist, I used to get the register of all environmental reviews in Washington state. One day I saw that the Port of Seattle was going to tear down a bunch of old warehouses on the waterfront. Having the builders' itch (288 square feet was kind of tight), I called the port. Seems a bunch of people had inquired, so they were having a walk-through. On the walk-through were a couple of guys from construction companies that did demolition and salvage - hammer and crowbar type guys. Also along was Bill Gates' architect. And of course, little ol' independent me.
    The warehouses were beautiful - maybe 1/2 million board feet of gorgeous turn of the century Douglas Fir. I figured maybe the takings from 10-20 acres of prime northwest forest as it used to be. Beams of every size and description. Not all of it was clear, mind you, but you can't have everything.
    Well, the rest is history, as they say. Gates bought up damn near every stick of recycled wood in Washington to build his Lakefront palace. I hear his architect threw most of it out because it wasn't up to his exacting standards.
    Now-a-days if you want used lumber better rob a bank, because Manhattan apartment/ LA sellout/ digital junk peddling/ and other assorted jackpot hitters will be at the head of the line waving cash in hand. There's certainly no chance of un- and underpaid activists giving these capitalists a run for their money.
    Of course, this is the way it has always been for those to whom necessity is the mother of invention. Build a better mousetrap, and your door might get taken.On A Colorado home-builder reflects on his attempt to go green posted 3 years, 2 months ago 7 Responses

  • What about plants?

    I have seen the bunny huggers - excuse me, "animal rights"  fanatics -  be perfectly willing to doom rare plants by using disinformation campaigns and the full run of legal and political strategies to fight lethal control of introduced animal, when lethal mthods are the only real practical method. Calling that position "conservation" is ludicrous.

    If biodiversity conservation means conserving all life forms at all scales, and the processes that create and sustain that diversity, then the bunny huggers' position is antithetical to conservation. Should an introduced mountain goat in Olympic National Park have greater "rights" than an endemic plant species? Mountain goats are in no danger of extinction and were not native to the area (i.e. deliberately introduced by humans within the last century), whereas the plants are endemic (grow nowhere else in the world and have a very restricted range) and are threatened.

    The same situation arises where deer are seriously altering the species composition and structure of forest systems. In the worldview of the ""animal individualist" is there an ethical or moral difference between people simply shooting the deer and re-introducing predators to do the killing? Both are deliberate conscious actions intended to achieve results that require killing individual animals.

    Steve Erickson

    On If environmentalism doesn't include animal welfare, why not? posted 3 years, 2 months ago 65 Responses
  • SFTU

    This all begs the question: When are aesthetic impacts so large that an "alternative" energy project is unacceptable?

    In northern Puget Sound there have now been a spate of speculative applications to FERC (Federal Energy Regulatory Commission) for submerged tidal energy systems.  As of my last count there have been at least 8 of these applications in Puget Sound and the Straits of Juan de Fuca.

    None of these systems actually exist yet. No one actually knows what the general (let alone site-specific) impacts are. One of the propsoed locations is Deception Pass. All salmon runs from and to the Skagit River system (the largest remaining native salmon runs in the lower 48) move through here, as do Orcas. FIsherman are already referring to the proposal as producing pre-filleted salmon.

    However, to get back to my orginal question, Deception Pass State Park is the most heavily used state park in Washington (>2 million visitors/year) and the Pass has a CC constructed historic bridge. Its pretty difficult to imagine this kind of industrial development in this location as other than aesthetically atrocious.

    So do we adopt the industrial mindset and just disregard aesthetics? Is there any place where we just say no more? Not here!

    For years I've responded to the industrial forestry crowd's complaints that people don't like clearcut's only because they're ugly. I trot out all the ecological and economic reasons why clearcutting sucks, because if appearances are the only issue than hiding them solves the problem. But besides their ecological damage, clearcuts are ugly, and the visceral reaction people have to them is mostly because of that. And that reaction provides the entry point where they can be educated about the other impacts besides aesthetics.

    So do we say "windfarms everywhere," "tidal hydro everywhere," "dam the Grand Canyon and full speed ahead"?

    Steve Erickson

    On STFU posted 3 years, 4 months ago 28 Responses