Comments Craig Allen has made
- chic_bowdrie, Are the physical chemistry models you mention statistical in nature or are they based on the physics of the system as is the case with GCMs (general circulation climate models)? With a statistic model you can tune the parameters at will until your medal results match your data. In a physics based model you have to set the parameters etc. to values that are derived from studies of real World physics. I note that the Author of the second article you mention (Roy Spencer) has written that he does not agree that the conclusions of the authors (Lindzen & Choi) in the paper of your third reference are supported by the augments and data they present. However, scientists regularly find flaws in each other's work and it is in working out where the truth actually lies that the scientific consensus is built and improved. I agree though that Spencer and Lindzen are perhaps the best examples of scientists who can be considered to be true skeptics and who actually do research to back up their skepticism. I get the impression that other climate scientists take them seriously, and while finding their work flawed do consider it worthy of consideration. For an example of the deeply flawed nature of Spencers work being explained in all it's gory detail see How to Cook a Graph in Three Easy Lessons. I lost respect for Lindzen when he published a post on Watts Up With That using uncorrected satellite data that he clearly knew was flawed because the satellites orbit had decayed. Had he included the orbital correction he would have had nothing to say. But the WUWT crowd loved it! Yet more definitive proof that global warming is a hoax!!On SuperFreak Dubner embraces ClimateGate conspiracy theories posted 34 minutes ago 16 Responses
- Err, I meant of to say of course that "the models would fail". However, I'm sure that the moles would be unimpressed also :)On SuperFreak Dubner embraces ClimateGate conspiracy theories posted 20 hours, 57 minutes ago 16 Responses
- chic_bowdrie, Many of the models and much of the data have long been available for open review. How much longer will we have to wait for the 'skeptics' to take up the challenge and do some real science with them? Can you offer any examples of science carried out by 'skeptics' that has in any way assisted, or promises to assist, with improved understanding of the climate system? The prediction that increasing CO2 will dangerously increase global temperatures is not and has never been dependent on software implemented climate models. For explanations of this see the following articles on the SkepticalScience website: * How we know global warming is happening? Pt 1 * How we know global warming is happening? Pt 2 * How do we know CO2 causes warming? * Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming * The physical realities of global warming * Measuring Earth's energy imbalance However, because of the complexity of the system, it is only possible to get more accurate estimates of just how much warming we can expect given our expected CO2 emissions trajectory, by putting all the science together in software climate models. Unless the skeptics and denialists have superhuman mental calculation abilities, they will be unable to do better without such models. Because they so stridently denounce the use of computer models (how quaintly Luddite of them) they have no way to put together all their self-contradictory claims in a manner that allows them implications to be tested. (Mind you, give the miss-mash incoherrent nature of their anti-science I guess the last thing they would want to do is put them together - the cogs would jam, the moles would fail, and untenable nature of so many of their ideas would be revealed for all to see.) As for the hacked emails and files: a whistleblower would surely leak specific information that documented some form of wrongdoing. That's a very different proposition from releasing 10 years worth of emails and files via a Russian server and inviting blog posters to trawl through it to find bits that they can misinterpret. A number of the things that denialists are highlighting in those emails as proof of fraud actually refer to work that has been openly discussed in the full light of peer reviewed literature. Others reveal the deep frustration scientists feel over the unremitting avalanche of attacks that they are these days submitted to by denialists. The giggling euphoria expressed as people delve into the hacked emails on forums such as the climate Audit and Watts Up With That website - all the while finding very little of substance - is as illuminating about the nature and credibility of denialists. Ditto for the completely unjustified crowing in some portions of the media about proof of a World wide climate science conspiracy of Devinci Code proportions.On SuperFreak Dubner embraces ClimateGate conspiracy theories posted 21 hours, 4 minutes ago 16 Responses
- Enviroperk, A very large proportion of the data, modelling code etc. is in fact freely available for download. The denialists are only interested in the bits that are not yet available. When those are ready, they'll lose interest in them as well. This is because they aren't interested in furthering the science, only in slinging mud, by for example sleezing around in illegally obtained emails hacked from university servers, looking for snippets they can misinterpret and misquote out of context. For an extensive list of websites and servers where you can find data and code that is currently freely available go to http://tamino.wordpress.com/climate-data-links/. Knock yourself out. There are terabytes of information there. For example, how about you download the GISS ModelE climate model from NASA's Goddard Institute,. inspect the code for us to see if it meets your standards and then report back to us. If you are concerned about the state of the software used by climate scientists, then perhaps you should lobby for their funding to be increased. I hear that the total global computing budget for climate research is somewhere between that of the budgets of Nemo and Happyfeet. And these days scientists have to spend half their time fending off harassment from vindictive denialists.On SuperFreak Dubner embraces ClimateGate conspiracy theories posted 23 hours, 53 minutes ago 16 Responses
- It's still Spring in Australia and we already have record breaking heat waves in South Australia and New South Wales (yet again). Catastrophic Code Red fire advisories are in force in both states, with 34 fires under way in NSW and 20 in SA. Summer is on the way. God help us all. The big cultural-environmental shift experienced in South-east Australia since last Summer's Victorian fires is the massive amount of vegetation (habitat) clearance that is under-way in conjunction with a big ramp-up in fuel reduction burnoffs on both private and public land. This is being done to reduce fire hazard, but is having the side effect of eliminating many reptile, birds, mammal species etc. from remnant areas of bush on farms, roadsides and anywhere near towns and rural residences. The fires themselves will have removed many species from the last places where they have held out against human, weed, feral predator and stock encroachment. The responses to the fires will amplify this.On Inferno on Earth: Wildfires spreading as temperatures rise posted 1 week ago 1 Response
Hieronymus Bosch forsaw it.
On Global warming, California, and wildfires posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago 20 ResponsesWhy not just tax pecticides by the same amount that it will cost to pay for all the necessary filtration? You can't get fairer than that.
On Water utilities lack proper filters for weed-killer posted 3 months ago 2 ResponsesUnfortunately the government has compromised with the opposition by allowing an ammendment stipulating that coal seam gas fired electricity be counted toward the 20% renewable mandate.
On Australia targets 20 percent renewable energy by 2020 posted 3 months, 1 week ago 1 ResponseHang about! The review does not even mention nitrates. It concludes that conventional foods have a higher nitrogen content. Nitrogen is a component of many classes of organic molecules, including DNA and proteins. You've gone of on a tangent with the nitrates that is not related to the content of the report.
On The obvious advantage of organic food over conventional posted 3 months, 2 weeks ago 16 ResponsesWWAGD,
Due lag in the climate system, temperatures will continue to rise for a long time even if we were to reduce emissions to zero immediately.
And besides that, even the most wildly optimistic negotiated outcome will ensure that emissions continue at substantial rates for many decades, although hopefully slowing.
On "Historic consensus" at G8 on climate change, says Obama posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago 7 ResponsesUnfortunately wind and solar have footprints also. The areas of land that will be required seem to be massive. In Australia we have already seen big arrays of wind turbines built in places where they have significant ecological impact. Solar will do the same. Wind and solar in the quanities required will have significant impacts. So it isn't a case of renewables 100% good, nuclear 100% bad.
I had hoped that solar and wind would preferentially be built in places where they have less or mininal impact. But that does not seem to be the case. The companies that build them seem to be just as bloody minded about the way they make their business decissions as others.
On Nuclear + cap-and-trade = bipartisan climate bill? posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago 16 ResponsesGreenPeaceTempe,
If the new Integrated Fast Reactors were implemented, then the fuel would be predominately domestic as those reactors will mostly run on nuclear waste, eating up the stockpiles that have been left by other reactors and the nuclear weapons industry. See http://bravenewclimate.com/2009/07/01/brave-new-power-for-the-world/
On Nuclear + cap-and-trade = bipartisan climate bill? posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago 16 ResponsesWe have the same issue here in Australia. Our government is about to implement an emissions trading system, but it clearly falls short of what the science says is necessary.
But you have to get your foot in the door. The legislation that the US and Australia are about to bring will get us heading in the right direction. Once it becomes apparent that reducing emissions won't destroy our economies, and as the science and climate signals progress and the dire nature of the situation becomes ever more apparent we will be able to ramp up our efforts. Once we are moving in the right direction accelerating to the required speed is going to be a lot easier to achieve than getting there immediately from the current stand-still.
The worse thing we could do now is allow our legislation to be defeated and progress stifled for another couple of years.
On Gore vs. Hansen: Enviros take sides in debate over House climate bill posted 6 months, 1 week ago 57 ResponsesThe confusing definitions of organic
I think that you need to be clear that there are two definitions of organic. There is the original definition used in chemistry - meaning 'compounds based on carbon'. Most synthetic pesticides are organic by this definition. For example, organophosphate and dioxine are organic molecules.
And then there is the more slippery modern common-use definition meaning 'natural'. Many things now marketed as 'organic' are not chemically organic (e.g. organic water).
Natural compounds are not necessarily less toxic than synthetic chemicals. For example compare the toxicity of the (chemically) organic, but natural molecules that make up snake venom to, say, the toxicity of chemically organic, but synthetic saccharine (although admittedly I don't know what saccharine would do to you if you injected it).
All pesticides are by definition poisonous. Every pesticide should be rigorously assessed for it's toxicity on health and the environment, and it's use permitted or restricted on the basis of such tests. If a synthetic pesticide is found to be less harmful than a 'natural-organic' pesticide, then it should be used in preference. To instead use the 'natural-organic' pesticide would be a marketing ploy designed to dupe consumers and in my opinion would be unconscionable.On Why isn't 'organic pesticide' an oxymoron? posted 9 months ago 8 Responses
All for the lack of a few geophytes
I can remember a couple of these hitting our farm in South Australia when I was a kid. We frantically ran around the house closing up windows and trying to seal gaps under doors, but the house ended up with dust all through it.
Australian deserts and arid zones naturally have a thin layer of geophytes (mosses, lichens and algaes) which grow when it rains, then desiccate and seal the soil surface, and which prevent dust being picked up by wind. Marsupials have soft feat and do not break up the geophytes. With the introduction of hard hooved stock throughout the outback the geophyte layer has been destroyed and these dust storms are the result.
In more arable regions of course ploughing paddocks has a more direct effect. It's not uncommon to see fences buried by drifts of sand and dust.
In really bad weather it all heads east and out to sea. Our main export to New Zealand may in fact be our topsoil. Most of the nutrients and organic matter is in the top 10 centimetres. And in the arid zone this has been shown to take 10,000 years or more to build up (sorry I can't give you the reference, but I have seen a research paper on it).On Freaky posted 9 months, 2 weeks ago 3 Responses
We are so screwed
Melbourne conference discusses extreme weather
I am in the Otways - one of the few forested areas of the state of Victoria in Australia that has escaped major fires in recent years. After this latest set of fires, I have decided that I will leave the district next time we have one of these extreme high fire risk days (now occurring ten or more days per year and rapidly increasing).
People did not have a chance to flee the townships that have been raised.
This happened on a single hot windy day followed by a series of cool days when the fires have been able to be controlled at last. The previous couple of weeks there was an extreme heat wave (without winds) that set the scene for the ferocity of the fires. This included the hottest day ever in Melbourne exceeding the previous record by 0.8 degrees celcius.
Had there been a series of hot windy days fanning this outbreak, it is hard to imagine what would have happened. Other than the numerous rural towns that have been wiped off the map, a few outlying Melbourne suburbs were hit this time. Next time it could be far far worse.On 'Wicked' warming dries Australian rivers to historic lows: report posted 9 months, 3 weeks ago 2 Responses
Only a dose of reality unfortunately ...
Unfortunately probably only a personal dose of something like this will jolt them out of their cynical attitudes.
I can assure you that many people in Australia are now accepting the reality of what global warming means.
Whether that translates into our politicians doing something effective about our emissions is the next question.
I firmly believe that people who knowingly lie, misrepresent and twist the science to sow doubt about global warming belong in the same category as the the arsonists who lit some of the Australain fires. Fire bugs light fires, denialists work to ensure that they increasingly occur during weather events that allow them to flare into fire-storms.On The entire conservative media is informed on climate science by the office of James Inhofe posted 9 months, 3 weeks ago 23 Responses
A request to the Grist folks
Would it be possible to enable us to edit our posts for a few hours after we submit them. It's a real pain when you make a glaring error such as the stray sentence fragment that marrs in my last post.On Australia faces collapse as climate change kicks in posted 9 months, 3 weeks ago 50 Responses
Re Black Wallaby's question about the the Murray
No matter how you look at it we are in a dire situation throughout south-eastern Australia.
I don't know where that factoid about the Murray only reaching the sea 40% of the time comes from. It's clearly not true now as the river no longer reaches the sea, ever. I guess that If you can find The Murray used to flow into Lake Alexandrina, Lake Albert and the Coorong then to the sea. These were originally saline to brackish, tending to fresh during periods of high flow down the river. With the installation of barrages in the 1930s the lakes became fresh. Now there is no flow, so Lake Alexandrina is dry. Albert will probably dry this summer. And the Coorong is increasingly hypersaline. There are plans to re-flood the system with seawater to stop it going acid. But the acidity is affecting wetland for hundreds of kilometres along the lower Murray, and these can't be flooded with seawater. For at least the last decade they have had to continually dredge the mouth to keep the Coorong open to the sea.
The problems are caused by a combination of over allocation of water for agriculture, and the historically low inflows to the system in recent years.
For more details on the current state of the Murray-Darling system, there is a PowerPoint summary here
Going by your user name I would have thought you were Australian, but if so it seems odd that you would be questioning the dire nature of the climatic trends in recent years. Are you from the north perhaps. Last nights news reported that 60% of Queensland is flood stricken. Perhaps that explains your skepticism. The top half of the continent gets floods, the bottom half gets drought. That's the new climate reality.On Australia faces collapse as climate change kicks in posted 9 months, 3 weeks ago 50 Responses
Already amazingdrx?
Cripes, are you giving up on Obama already?! At least we gave Kevin Rudd about six months before we sadly concluded he's a dud.
The response to the heatwave by Melbourne politicians was telling. They all clamoured to claim "full responsibility" for the rail network and electricity grid caving in, while defiantly pointing out that it was all due to an unprecedented weather event that no one could possibly have predicted. This was in spite of the fact that we had a similarly severe event about the same time last year, everyone talks about climate change non stop and it keeps getting hotter every bloody year.
No talk whatsover that I have noticed about how solar electricity could have averted Melbourne and Adelaide having to go through suburb by suburb periodic blackouts due to air conditioning demands. A friend of mine in Mebourne has 8 panels on his roof. He was immune to the blackouts, but learned that during those periods his excess power generations was dumped to earth because the grid can't use it during a blackout!
The Rudd government's big renewable energy policy is to offer every home owner earning under $100,000 per year an $8,000 rebate for solar panels. What this means is that people are installing the minimum number of panels that they can get for the money. It's a dumb policy. Offering (say) a 50% rebate to everyone regardless would have enticed people to put their own money into it, would have encouraged rich people who could afford big systems to participate, and would have encouraged businesses to get involved. Who care how much the investor earns. Everyone's electrons are equally useful. We should be giving every individual and every business incentives to get in on the act.
There has been lots of talk in the media lately about how all the solar campanies are avoiding, or exiting Australia because our policies discourage investment.
They're talking about making our new Victorian desal plant renewable powered (mostly wind I think), but it will jack up water prices, lock us into buying the water from a private company, and is being done instead of the cheaper alternative, which is to recycle Melbourne's storm-water.On NWF VP believes we'll see a cap-and-trade bill this year, and 'Waltzing Matilda' isn't about dancing posted 9 months, 3 weeks ago 6 Responses
Australia the victim
To be honest amazngdrx, I'm not hopeful about any meaningful efforts from Australian politicians to bring down our emissions any time soon. Both the major parties are pandering to coal and other big emitters. The national Labour party (currently in power) is proposing a pathetic carbon reduction target and the opposition party is calling for it to be watered down. Incentives for installing renewable energy generation so far are aimed at winning votes rather than maximising CO2 reductions.
State governments are even more pathetic. Growth in spite of all costs is the mantra and there is a lot of money being spent on infrastructure to pipe around dwindling water resources, build desalination plants and such.
Australia has given up any pretence at playing a leadership role in addressing emissions. As a nation we seem intent accepting the role of climate victim while making as much money as we can exporting rocks, coal and gas.
Much of the populace desperately hopes the situation will change, and there is agitation from activists, but at the moment we seem to have hit a wall. As a nation we are just too economically conservative and consumption driven to hold our leaders to account over this.
In the mean time we wilt in the heat. Tonight's news here in Victoria was dominated by stories about how vegetable and fruit crops have been devastated by last week's heat wave and by fears of what will happen when Saturdays predicted extreme high temperatures and gales fan expected fire outbreaks.On NWF VP believes we'll see a cap-and-trade bill this year, and 'Waltzing Matilda' isn't about dancing posted 9 months, 3 weeks ago 6 Responses
More re Waltzing Matilda
Even more shocking truths about Waltzing Matilda.
> The swagman (hobo) gets busted for stealing a sheep.
> In preference to being taken in for his crime he commits suicide by drowning himself in a billabong (deep river pool).
The way our inland rivers are going, these days the swagman might have trouble finding a billabong deep enough to drown himself in.On NWF VP believes we'll see a cap-and-trade bill this year, and 'Waltzing Matilda' isn't about dancing posted 9 months, 3 weeks ago 6 Responses
Hey Black Wallaby: The data doesn't support you
Hey Black Wallaby,
While it is true that this one event does not prove climate change, various Bureau or Meteorology analyses show that the long term trends are very much in accord with global warming predictions. There have always been droughts, heatwaves and floods, but the droughts and heatwaves are getting more severe and more frequent.
As for camels walking across the Murray, it is naturally a system prone to highly variable flow. There is always water in the lower reaches these days because of the system of wiers that have been built and because of releases from dams in the Snowy mountains for irrigation purposes. Regardless of this, the total flow in the system has been at a record low for an unprecedented series of years. (Although I note that the authorities are now beginning to let some reaches go dry in order to keep others topped up.) And as you know I'm sure, the Coorong system and other lower lakes and have gone dry or are in the last phases of drying and have gone acid as a result. It has been so long since the last decent flood that vast areas of the ancient River Red Gum forests along the rivers are dead or dieing. Also if you go for a trip along the Murray, you will see that the non-riverine Mallee Woodlands are now beginning to die too. On Australia faces collapse as climate change kicks in posted 9 months, 3 weeks ago 50 Responses
I think your are all being too negative.
The better Place cars will be significantly cheaper that hybrid cars, because you don't have the internal combustion engine and you don't have to buy the battery up front.
As battery technology improves, your battery automatically gets upgraded.
As your battery's performance degrades with use over time, you will not be lumbered with a dud battery.
Apparently it will take less time to have your battery swapped than it currently takes to fill up with petro-juice.
Most of the time you will charge your car directlyat home or work and will not need to switch batteries.
BetterPlace have hinted that you may be able to choose a premium plan that ensures you always get a top notch battery, or a budget plan that lets you save money by making do with the worse performing but none-the-less adequate for your needs batteries available at the exchange stations. You will even be able to up you plan for a specific long distance trip so that you get a better battery and get a double pack installed for that specific ride.
It all hinges on whether BetterPlace can make it work financially. If so - and they claim they can - then why winge about it?
Much of the time I would only need to do short trips. But about once a week or fortnight I need to do longer trips of 150 to 400 km. The BetterPlace system would be perfectly for me. I suspect that the same is true for many other people. Even if people only need the longer trips once a month or several times a year, I suspect that having that capability would make a big difference to people's decision whether or not to go electric.On Does anyone think battery swap-out is useful or even needed for electric vehicles? posted 9 months, 3 weeks ago 11 Responses
Minor correction on the Australian record
That record of three days over 110 deg F is for Melbourne only. It got to 113 deg F on Thursday - uugh.
It regularly gets way hotter for way longer in other places.
On Australia faces collapse as climate change kicks in posted 9 months, 3 weeks ago 50 ResponsesA real-life example
Over the past week Melbourne has been suffering under a heat wave. The temperature got up to 45 degrees celcius. The rail network collapsed due to warped rails and failing air conditioners on trains. Forrest fires broke out. Dozens of old folks keeled over from heat stroke. And suburbs were blacked out periodically for several days to deal with power usage surges due to the use of air-conditioning.
I work from home as does my business partner. When the power went off it killed my computer (i.e. it wouldn't turn on again thereafter). Power went off in his suburb also, but he has an 8 panel grid connected solar panel system. He didn't even realise the power had gone down. I lost 4 days work. He's goading me about finally going solar.
If a substantial portion of Melbourne were to go solar, then heatwave induced blackouts would be a thing of the past.
I'm not holding my breath though. The state government is deeply enmeshed with big coal and has been furiously justifying it's poor planning by claiming that no one could possibly foresee and plan for such extreme heatwave events.On On the verge of revolutionizing the U.S. power grid posted 9 months, 4 weeks ago 8 Responses
Oh come on
It's a cartoon for pities sake.
Just accept it a a piss-take of GM and have a chuckle.
I took it more as a goading of GM for not being innovative enough to make a decent electric car than as implying that electric cars can't be made.
Either way, who cares. If we get too humourless and negative we'll all end up like Jabailo. Imagine how miserable that would be.On Oliphant and Washington Post ignorantly smear GM and plug-in hybrids posted 11 months, 2 weeks ago 13 Responses
So show us the goods
JeffID,
I looked at your site. Your argument is basically that because Mann et al only plotted proxy data sets that correlate well with the instrumental record, and exclude or downweight others, the analysis is in effect rigged to create a hockey stick shape.
You mention that when you get time to learn a statistics software package, you will redo the analysis to prove them wrong.
For now, why don't you just download the datasets, then get the excluded ones, plot them one by one, and show them on your site on your site.
Scientists and their students thrive on debunking each others science. That's how you make a name for yourself. Once you've show how easy it is to debunk Mann, its inevitable that some statistics wiz will pick it up and run with it.
The folks who are so desperately trying to debunk global warming all use such lame, contradictory and tired arguments all the time that it would be a breath of fresh air to see one that holds up to scrutiny, and to see it well presented.
(By the way, I wonder how well the excluded/downweighted datasets correlate with each other?)On Earth hotter now than in past 2,000 years posted 11 months, 3 weeks ago 32 Responses
At least she is honest about it
I'm no fan of Sarah Palin, but at least she's displaying some honesty about the facts of life here.
Californians just passes a bill to mandate that livestock and fowl be given at least the room to turn around. Elsewhere they don't even get that privilege. The turkeys in that video look like they have luxury digs by comparison.
So, if you are shocked and appalled by what you see here, I guess that means you will be forgoing your turkey this season, or only partaking if you can find a free-range one that was gently sedated before having it's noggin lopped off.
Yes? No?
Hmmm, I guess hypocrisy isn't peculiar to Republican voters alone after all.
In my opinion, you should only be allowed to eat meat, if you have first undergone a right of passage wherein you have gone to a farm to ritually slit the throat of you first meal yourself.On Sarah Palin pardons a turkey just before another is slaughtered behind her ... live posted 1 year ago 7 Responses
The situation is really dire down here
There are more details of the Australian drought and water deficit here.
Note the last paragraph:
"An extraordinarily low percentage of the rain that falls in the Murray-Darling Basin -- just 4 per cent -- actually ends up in the rivers. Most evaporates. In North America 52 per cent of the rain runs downs the rivers. In Asia it is 48 per cent, in Europe 39 per cent and Africa 38 per cent. This means the rivers of the basin are uniquely vulnerable to rising temperature."
The Murray-Darling is our biggest river system, but it seems that the bulk of the other rivers in southern mainland Australia have a similar dynamic.
And it's not just the rivers and wetlands that are suffering. Throughout Victoria and South Australia, not only are our most of our gardens and urban parks now dead and dying, but throughout the countryside it is evident that the bush (woods and forests) are beginning to die, there are vast areas where large proportions of the trees are skeletal remnants or are dropping their leaves and browning off (and summer is just about to begin).
This is an extinction event in progress.
We are so screwed.On Droughts and desalination in Australia -- another amplifying feedback posted 1 year ago 3 Responses
The Terminator packing a fuel cell? ... Not!
jabailo:
Given that Arnie's power pack exploded with a massive shock wave and a substantial mushroom cloud, it was clearly not a wimpy hydrogen fuel cell. You're really clutching at straws there.
It was more likely to be a science fiction boosted ultra-capacitor energy cell. If one of the companies working on the real versions these finally makes a break-through like they've been promising, then there will be no need to waste energy inefficiently producing and distributing hydrogen.On Schwarzenegger on the environment and the state of his party posted 1 year ago 4 Responses
An energy storage and demand balancing study
Does anyone know if there has been an analysis of energy storage and demand balancing options, their feasibility, state of the technology, time-frames and possible road-maps for implementation?
If not may I suggest that Grist invite someone to do an article on this.On America's energy crunch comes home posted 1 year ago 8 Responses
What is Cato's recipe for managing fish
I wonder what their recipe is for dealing with the collapse of fish stocks in unconstrained fisheries.
The currently collapsing of Mediterranian Bluefin Tuna stocks provides a good example. And can be compared well with what happened to Canadian cod stocks (among many many others).
Have you tried using these examples in arguments with Taylor. How does he respond?
It seems to me that there is practically no example of a fishery that does not eventually collapse unless severe controls on capitalist impulses are imposed.
Why would oil be different in their opinion? After all, it doesn't even have the benefit of being able to regenerate itself if we ease of the extraction rate.On The intellectual bankruptcy of the Cato Institute posted 1 year ago 4 Responses
Meanwhile down under
GLOBAL warming has been blamed for dramatic declines in seabird populations on the Great Barrier Reef and surrounding waters.
>> Warmer water devastates Great Barrier Reef's seabirdsOn Snippets from the news posted 1 year, 1 month ago 1 ResponseGarnaut tells it like it is
Garnaut makes it clear that he thinks his recommendations will lead to a global and national catastrophe. It's and interesting strategy for him to take - basically pointing out that our only politically realistic option at this stage is aiming for a mild Armageddon. The politicians and pundits might be reporting the numbers without the background, but Garnaut has been on TV a fair bit laying down the facts as he see them.
We have to remember that getting this emissions trading scheme off the ground is just the first step. Once it is up and it can be seen that the economy isn't collapsing like the doomsayers predict, then we can ramp it up.
I actually think what Garnaut has attempted to do is cut through the spin by being brutally honest both about the risks posed by climate change and about how pathetic our political system is in the face of such a 'diabolical' (his word) political challenge.
Some recent news articles on the Garnaut report ...
- Doubts raised over Ross Garnaut's carbon emission targets
- Garnaut defends scenario-based emissions cut targets
- Garnaut fall-out: 'NSW must phase out coal power'
- Garnaut's climate change warning
- Economy won't delay carbon cut: Wong
- Professor makes sense of another meltdown
- Doubts raised over Ross Garnaut's carbon emission targets
Cringe
It's getting to the point that I'm wary of watching interviews with her. The cringe factor is getting to much for me to handle. Foreign leaders must be rubbing their hands together with glee at the thought that this twit may become their new sparring partner.On Palin's narrow border posted 1 year, 2 months ago 9 Responses
Good in theory ... but
Working as a wetland conservation officer I was successful in attracting AU$3.4 million for a conservation tender project in the Volcanic Plains ecosystems in Victoria (South East Australia) - www.ccma.vic.gov.au/home/vicvolcanicplains.htm
This followed in the wake of a bush tender project that was previously undertaken in region.
These projects a good in theory. But there are some severe problems with them. Most notably, as with all government programs, they receive inadequate funding in short bouts spanning at the most 3 years.
We are loosing remnants ecosystems in this region at a rapid rate. Once an area of native vegetation is lost, it is lost for ever. There is no example that I can think of where anyone has managed to recreate a significant area of bushland or native grassland so that it has more than a passing resemblance to a real remnant. Natural ecosystems are just too diverse and complex. Sure you can plant certain trees and shrubs, but what about the diverse array of small shrubs, herbs, grasses, sedges and geophytes. I guess that it is theoretically possible, but in reality the cost would be astronomical. Given this, there is an urgent imperative to halt the loss and decline of remnants. And loss is a one way street. You simple can not reverse losses (unless we increase available funding by several orders of magnitude - and invest massively in research and infrastructure to enable the propagation of species not currently available within existing horticultural propagation systems).
So in these tender projects we are asking people to bid to maintain or enhance existing remnants, we are designing the system so that they will do it for minimum cost, and the people we are asking to do it are generally farmers and hobby farmers with little understanding of ecological systems or ecological management techniques. However we will only pay for the ecological service for 3 years at a time. If the landholder/service provider does not continue to maintain a site, then it will subsequently degrade and all the invested money will have been lost. And if land changes hands, then the situation is worse still.
So we are actually critically dependent on the good will of the participating service providers, hoping that they will carry on the good work after the official project ends. However, it turns out the people who have participated in these programs as service providers or bidder often have a very poor opinion of them. They find the bidding process painfully complicated, in part because it generally involves a bidding to provide a service that they have never before provided. And also due the available money is always way less than needed to meet the demand or need in a region, there is a high bid failure rate. As a result, the tender process actually alienates many of the people who's good will we depend on.
With the Volcanic Plains Tender project, which has been implemented very well by the staff involved, I would estimate that rather than AU$3.4 over 3 years, we would realistically need AU$10 to 20 million per year, every year forever. It's a pittance when you compare it to funding on other programs such as roads. But it is just never going to happen. And besides, I suspect that we would be better off just buying up high value land and employing professionally trained ecosystem managers to look after that along with all the remnants on existing public land that are rapidly disregarding while we muck around with these tenders. Economists love these market based mechanisms, but you average economist has never tried to maintain an ecosystem, or tried to convince cranky farmers to not plough and graze them.
And besides, ecosystems and landscapes evolve over periods of hundreds and thousands of years, and need to be maintained over generations. These are not the timeframes within which economists work.On A little noted provision of the new Farm Bill posted 1 year, 2 months ago 4 Responses
Weeds and pests are death to native ecosystems
Perhaps the US has a unique set of ecosystems that are for some reason pest-proof, but I doubt it. Meanwhile in Australia weeds and pests are destroying our native ecosystems.
Foxes, cats and rats have eliminated small to medium sized ground mammals from much of the mainland. Reintroduction programs invariably fail if expensive feral control programs are not maintained indefinately. This prohibits reintroductions to extensive areas and therefore a large proportion of our precious small marsupials and native rats and mice are now restricted to small islands and fenced reserves.
Rabbits have decimated vegetation across the continent. When calicivirus was released over a decade ago we saw the return of wildflowers to vast areas of the country where they had not been seen for many decades. However, species with short lived seeds wereless capable of doing som and now the rabbits are returning.
I'm have worked in vegetation conservation and management positions for many years, including on projects to save heathlands, woods, forests and wetlands from the encroachment of weeds. It is very difficult to do because weeds are so tenacious. Throughout the bulk of the landscape it will never be done as it is such a labor-intensive task.
Weeds are spreading at an astounding rate. Wherever I go I see roadside and other remnants of our beautiful bushland being invaded and degraded. Over time you see the proportion of introduced grasses and other weeds increase until eventually all the native wildflowers, grasses, lichens, and small shrubs are choked out. It is very disheartening. Especially when as a final straw a farmer or council worker comes along with a boom spray to herbicide the entire patch, thereby killing everything and ensuring that the following yaear and thereafter there are no natives and just weeds.
We are seeing huge damage caused by government funded programs to control agriculturally damaging weeds that also invade native ecosystems. For example, we are losing the last few patches of native wildflower-grasslands when they are invaded by a weed called serrated tussock. Herbide is used to eliminate this, but also destroys the hundreds of other grasses and wildflowers found in such places. The loss of wildflower-grassland remnants on roadside and railway sideing in this way in my region is now almost complete. The same thing is happening in woodlands where european gorse is invading.
When native vegetation is lost, most of the native insects and other invertebrates are of course eliminated also. And also many of the lizards and small mammals also, including pygmy possums, bandicoots, dunarts, plantigales, antichinus, native mice etc.
And now to top it all of, we have a soil-borne disease called phytophthora, which is spreading through our national parks and other areas, often along recreational and fire control tracks. It kills 50% or more of the understory species and many trees, causing grasses (most of which are introduced) to take over, and eliminating food sources for mammals and birds.
I'd argue that anyone who thinks that introduced pests and weeds are not a problem, must have very little expreience observing or working with native ecosystems and doesn't have the capacity to see or appreciate the difference between a weed infested mess and an intact ecosystem.
Find yourself an ecologist or field naturalist and go for a drive so they can show you the landscape through their more knowledgeable and appreciative eyes.
Yes, ecosystems dominated by weeds and pests are still valuable for some species, but they are sad depauporate shadows of the intact native ecosystems they displace.On NYT critiques alien biology posted 1 year, 2 months ago 27 Responses
Trucks, tractors, graders etc???
Is either technology likely to be able to power trucks, farm machinery and other such equipment, which currently runs on deisel?On To solve global warming, we need to support every alternative transportation pathway posted 1 year, 3 months ago 22 Responses
Stop the presses
The ice extent plotted by NSIDC has taken a nose-dive in the latest plot. This is kind of wierd, the decline should be leveling off at this time of year, but has accelerated in the past week.On A new Olympic record for retraction of a mistaken analysis of NSIDC data posted 1 year, 3 months ago 3 Responses
Negative clock auction???
Err, could you explain the negative clock auction a little more clearly please.On New England ISO's forward capacity market posted 1 year, 3 months ago 22 Responses
Arabians don't act like they lack oil
I visited Dubai and neighboring Emerites a week ago. You'd think they would have some idea about how much oil is left. But they sure don't behave like it will run low any time soon. Dubai is nuts!
They are using their oil wealth to build science fiction metropolises that are in turn powered by oil. Luxury hotels galore and cranes everywhere building a vast commercial-financial district from scratch (including the tallest building in the world). All the water is desalinated from the sea (I was told that they have the highest per-capita water use in the World), the average car is humongous, everything is air conditioned (but with little thought given to heat leakage), and the tourism is predicated on cheap air flights. Furthermore, Emirates Airlines is buying up big on Airbuses.
Either they don't think the oil will run low any time soon, they have a clever plan to go solar (not that that will solve the air travel cost issue), or they are just is such a head-long rush to develop that they haven't thought it through.
On New data point shows that OPEC's production hit highest level ever last month posted 1 year, 3 months ago 25 ResponsesNews on Australia's proposed emissions scheme
(I'm posting here in the hope that the following will be elevated to news item status.)
On Friday, 5th July Australia was presented with a draft report by Ross Garnaut on options for the implementation of an emissions trading scheme. The report is commissioned by the government prior to the last election. They seem to be holding firm on their promise to commence the scheme in 2010. The response in the media and by politicians has been remarkable for the fact that there is no hint of denial of the problems posed by climate change, of the fact that we have a tough task before us as a nation, or that we must none-the-less face up to and stoically accept the pain that lied ahead while doing all we can to reduce emissions
The Australian newspaper
- We must act now on climate change: Professor Garnaut
- PDF of Professor Garnaut's draft report
- Video of Garnaut at the National Press Club
- A bitter political pill
- Cut taxes to soften climate pain
- We must act now on climate change
- No mercy for dirty power, says Garnaut's climate report
- Target for 2020 not the main aim
- No time to waste on tackling climate change
- Act now or face disaster, Garnaut report warns
- 'One input' wields an unyielding message
- Building our own asteroid
- Garnaut urges emissions trading scheme 'without delay'
- Govt urged to act swiftly on Garnaut findings
- Garnaut report sparks call to arms for at-risk Barrier Reef
- Rudd pledges action on Murray's Lower Lakes
- Australia's harsh reality: adapt or perish
- 2100, a climatic odyssey
- Miners at the coalface of change
- Climate crisis 'diabolical'
- Garnault's speach at the National Press Club
- We must act now on climate change: Professor Garnaut
End game for Australia's Murray-Darling rivers
Desperate days, no options left. The end game has arrived for Australia's once mighty Murray-Darling River system and the industries that are reliant on it and it's ecosystems. Scientists warned of this for years. The nay-sayers pooh poohed the idea of limits on extraction or the idea that we were approaching the ecological limits of riverine ecosystems - declaring it all environmentalist hogwash. Now we are watching helplessly as the rains fail year after year, industries and communities collapse and the lower extremities of one of the World's greatest river systems turn into acidic wastelands.
Nothing short of a climactic miracle will save us now, and people are fighting over the corpses of once mighty rivers. There is literally a window of only 6 months left.
>> Water economist discusses Australia's Murray-Darling River system crisisOn Snippets from the news posted 1 year, 4 months ago 4 Responses
Biofuel !!!
We keep hearing about research into generating biodiesel from algae. The Chinese are sitting on a mega biofuel production facility.On Olympic sailing venue battles with massive algae bloom posted 1 year, 4 months ago 8 Responses
Re: atmospheric carbon flux
The Wikipedia article on Carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere explains it all very well.
And the Global warming art website has some very informative plots of emissions and atmospheric concentrations data.On New global warming denier article in Salon posted 1 year, 4 months ago 22 Responses
If this is not a mortal issue I don't know what is
jatrussell:
Your statement that "Man-made CO2 contribution is absolutely DWARFED by natural sources" is just plain wrong. The level has been fairly constant for thousands of years and is now cranking up in line with the known emissions due to humanity minus a chunk of this that is going into sinks such as the ocean. Websites peddling disinformation blythly tell you otherwise. You are being lied to. It is fairly easy for you to confirm this for yourself. Go do some open minded investigation of the literature. The RealClimite website is a good place to start. It will point you to plenty of research conducted by actual scientists.
Global warming has very dire consequences in store for us all. Many of my extended family are farmers in South Australia where landholders are on their knees due to ongoing drought, a drying trend that shows no sign of abating and which Australia's peak science organisation the CSIRO, along with the Bureau of Meteorology predict will continue to escalate as greenhouse gas concentrations increase. I spoke to my father the other day. He's already lost his farm. He said the autumn rains have failed to materialize yet again and that there will probably be an exodus from the land this year. This is a real problem that is impacting the lives of real people.
- Australian Bureau of Meteorology Drought statement
- 1 in 1000 year drought hammers Australia
- Australias biggest river system the Murray-Darling is dying
It is time for you to take an objective look at the science. The video link you provided points to a video that has been pulled. But I see that is refers to the Global Warming Swindle documentary. It isn't surprising that it was pulled. The makers had to reissue it about 5 times after it's first airing because of complaints from a number of the scientists interviewed that their views were placed out of context and misrepresented.
To get a better understanding of why it is such a dishonest misrepresentation of what the science says do a search for articles addressing the swindle at RealClimate. The seventh and eights articles in that list address it directly, and the others indirectly. They are all well worth a read as are all the comments.
Time to open your eyes and get a grip on reality.
There are real solutions to this that will allow us to stop emissions without an overbearing cost. For example I note that that the solar thermal electricity company Ausra has just opened it's first manufacturing facility in Nevada and is building power stations that can produce base-load power day and night, at a cost that is competitive with coal. Companies are chaffing at the bit to get on with solving this. The people setting up companies like this deserve a level playing field. It's time to stop supporting the fossil industries, and to cheer on the heros. We have wasted enough time. There is precious little leeway left in the climate system.On New global warming denier article in Salon posted 1 year, 4 months ago 22 Responses
- Australian Bureau of Meteorology Drought statement
1/10th of one percent
jatrussell;
Through it's cycles, the sun varies in intensity by less than 1/10th of one percent.
>> Changing Sun, Changing Climate?
By contrast we are heading toward a doubling of CO2 and we know that it blocks outgoing infrared radiation.
So the effect of adding more CO2 to the atmosphere is similar to adding a much thicker quilt to your bed, whereas the effect of the suns fluctuations is like varying the output of your electric blanket by less than 0.1%
Why are you and your ilk so intent on insisting the sun causes warming but not greenhouse gasses? It clearly has nothing to do with the science. As is demonstrated by the desperate need of the denialist lobby to blatantly and continually twist and spin what the scientists are finding. The stream of half-baked ludicrous claims by denialist-delayers is incredible. Have you people no morals?
Just how high do you think we can take CO2 concentrations? Is there any limit in your opinion? If there is a limit, then how do you work out what it is from within your moral, logical and scientific vacuum?On New global warming denier article in Salon posted 1 year, 5 months ago 22 Responses
In reply to Mace re Arctic vs Antarctic
Mace,
The Arctic is an ocean surrounded by land. The Antarctic is a continent surrounded by an ocean and is circumnavigated by the massive Circumpolar Current. The climate dynamics are therefore quite different and we expect and are seeing very different trends.
Apparently there has been little or no significant trend in Sea Ice in the Antarctic taken as a whole and the sea ice extend is much more variable than that in the Arctic. But there are significant trends in particular regions, some toward more ice and some toward less.
This post on Ice Shelf Instability at the RealClimate website has lots of interesting information. Be sure to read through the comments - there is lots of interesting stuff there that relates directly to your question.On Arctic sea ice update: 2008 poised to repeat -- or beat -- 2007 posted 1 year, 5 months ago 11 Responses
Cubans do many things well
They have a much better health system than the US and rather than armies they export thousands of medical practitioners to third world countries. You could do worse than model yourself on some of their better characteristics.
Their current political system leaves something to be desired, but that of the US is far from being a model of well functioning democracy from the point of view of anyone living outside the US fantasy bubble. And at least Cuba doesn't have a leader who is reviled and regarded with contempt world-wide.On The U.S. media discover how food production works without access to cheap oil posted 1 year, 5 months ago 12 Responses
So when do you think we will see clean coal?
Jabailo,
That's all very well, but can you point to a functioning clean coal power station anywhere. Or for that matter a functioning prototype - functioning or planned? Here in Victoria, Australia the power company's definition of clean coal is taking extra dirty brown coal and treating it so it is only as polluting as black coal. The definition of 'clean coal' seems to be very loose. They admit that the cost of making any coal truly clean - whether brown or black - is prohibitively expensive. What is the total emissions of the plants that you are suggesting be replaced? What proportion of emissions do they account for? What will the emissions be of the plants that you suggest they be replaced with. What will the net emissions savings be. And what will the electricity cost be compared to solar thermal, geothermal, wind or other alternatives.
Yes, get rid of the most polluting generators first, but clean coal plants are by no means the best replacement.On The right comparison between Obama and McCain on climate/energy posted 1 year, 5 months ago 13 Responses
Australia deisel from coal proposal
A scary development in Victoria, Australia - The Australian coal industry has just bought a plant online that converts coal to gas then to fertilizer. Now they are getting excited about following the South Africans and converting to diesel.
This is on top of their 'clean coal' proposal which promises to achieve the ground-breaking feat of making Victoria's blown coal as 'clean' as everyones else's black coal.
See this ABC (Australian Broadcasting Commission) news article for details:
>> Coal put forward as alternative source of dieselOn Snippets from the news posted 1 year, 5 months ago 2 ResponsesAgriculture is in the firing line
I note that European fishing fleets are being grounded because of the high fuel prices.
Fuel prices are going to devastate Australian farmers:
I come from a farming community in South Australia. When I was a lad we expected one in three years on average to be a drought (although often they came back-to-back). Now it is closer one in two. But the fuel prices are the nail in the coffin for many farmers. On an average farm (about 4,000 acres) in my home district of Kimba (it's dry country) it costs something like $30,000 to put in a crop. This is always a gamble, because a farmer never knows whether he will get to reap a crop or watch it all blow away in dust storms. Most of Australia's wheat belt works like this. As fuel prices continue to rise and the frequency of good years decreases - this become less and less viable. One of the reason's World food prices are up is the drop in Australia's production. The fuel prices are going to make the situation much worse.
(The ongoing collapse of the Murray-Darling irrigation districts is an independent issue due to continued and worsening water shortages).On Airlines, cargo ships increasingly desperate due to rising fuel costs posted 1 year, 5 months ago 11 ResponsesGeothermal is about to take off in Australia
There is a rush of exploration for deep hot rock Geothermal in Australia at the moment, with 32 companies having applied for geothermal licence areas across the continent. In the state of South Australia alone, 22 companies have applied for 205 geothermal exploration licences.
The most advanced company is Geodynamics, which is busily drilling away in the Cooper Basin on the edge of the Simpson Desert in the eastern outback.
Their first production well was drilled to its target depth of 4,221 m (13,850 ft) in January, this year, at which depth the temperature was found to be 280degC. Their second well is close to complete. They plan to have their first pilot 1MW power plant running later in 2008, and their first commercial 50MW power plant unit will go online in 2012. Their power plant will function by re-injected water will back into the ground in a closed loop. They claim to have a resource of 400,000 petajoules of high-grade thermal energy at their disposal so far.
The cost of this electricity will be significantly less than the projected cost of 'clean' coal or nuclear. It seems that the only impediment to progress is getting the investment required to allow the purchase of more rigs, and the construction of the necessary power lines and power plants.On Geothermal power: a core climate solution posted 1 year, 6 months ago 16 Responses
Nuclear subsidy via diesel subsidies
I'm not sure is it's the same in the US, but one means of nuclear subsidy in Australia is a diesel fuel subsidies for the mining sector. The mining of Uranium ore uses huge amounts of diesel. So if the US imports our Uranium then we are effectively subsidizing your nuclear industry. Very generous of us!On Subsidies for wind power pale beside subsidies for nuclear posted 1 year, 6 months ago 23 Responses
I've been doing it for a couple of years now
I live 30km from the nearest town, and 200km from Melbourne. Here in Australia the price of fuel is now at the equivalent US$/Gallon. When I can, I drive below the limit, minimize acceleration, allow the car to decelerate going up hills and then gently accelerate going down hills. I've found I can shave 10-20% of my fuel bill.On Easing off the gas eases gas use posted 1 year, 7 months ago 29 Responses
Australians hungry for climate change action
We have reached a tipping point in Australia with respect to opinion and impending action on reducing emissions. The government wants to do it, the public overwhelmingly wants to do it and wants the government to pull up its socks and get on with the job, and the emitters are conceding that it is inevitable.
A just-release report demonstrates that Australian are overwhelmingly eager to get on with the job of reducing emissions.
Some of the stats from second Annual Climate of the Nation report by the Climate of the Nation report Australian Climate Institute are as follows:
- Concern over climate change is high. 89% of Australians are now concerned about climate change, with 49% being either extremely concerned (17%) or very concerned (32%).
- For most people, ratifying Kyoto is just one part of Australia's continuing response to climate change. Almost 78% of Australians believe that need to take further urgent action to deal with climate change. 17% have no opinion, and only 5% disagree that urgent action is still required.
- People are most concerned about the effects of climate change on drought (94% very concerned or concerned), and the consequence of less water for cities (93% very concerned or concerned). Other highly rated concerns include impacts on the Great Barrier Reef, agriculture, and increased bush-fires and storms.
- Approximately 60% believe that addressing climate change might or will definitely impact negatively on the economy. About 20% think it will be beneficial.
- Even so, 78% of Australians believe that we should reverse growing levels of greenhouse pollution to achieve real reductions by 2012.
- 74 per cent believe that new electricity generation should come from clean energy.
- 88% believed that government should make large or very large changes in order to reduce emissions. 45% think that individuals should do likewise. Only 3% and 6% respectively thought that government and individuals should make no effort.
- 48% stated that they were willing to pay $10 to $20 extra for clean energy. 9% said they were willing to $30 to $40 extra. And 4% said they were willing to pay more than that.
- Concern over climate change is high. 89% of Australians are now concerned about climate change, with 49% being either extremely concerned (17%) or very concerned (32%).
Gardening in Australia
I live in one of the unusual parts of Australia (the Otway Ranges) which doesn't really suffer much from drought.
I've been astonished at how much can be grown in a relatively small garden with very little effort plus a lot of poo. It's totally organic, but I have a healthy population of small song birds which effectively keep the insects under control. It supplies most of the vegetable needs of three people.
Five chickens supply all out eggs.
I made a cage trap to catch rabbits (which are feral here) that were trying to get through the fence and for a while this supplied my meat (until I caught the neighbors nosy pomeranian - oops!). In a city a hutch could easily do the same.
We are not connected to town water, an have drought 'proofed' ourselves with two 4500 litre tanks plus a small dam.
I would never have believed how little effort this would all take.
However, throughout cities and towns of southern Australia, the decade of drought has had a devastating impact on home gardening. Increasing water restrictions have progressed from limits on watering times, through to bans on watering gardens using hoses, through to outright bans on the use of reticulated water in gardens. Not only household gardens, but city parks and street-scapes have been let die.
The ironic thing is that you can still legally have a 30 minute shower while you can not hose your pumpkin patch. There have been constant calls for shifts to systems that limit metered use rather than usage practises. But the politicians keep saying it is too hard to do.
In the mean-time, the loss of gardens is severely impacting on the lives of hundreds of thousands of people. Especially those who relied on gardens to supplement meager incomes - in particular a large proportion of retirees who not only fed themselves friends and family, and saved money this way, but also kept fit and active in their twilight years through gardening.On As food prices rise, policymakers ignore potential of home and community gardens posted 1 year, 7 months ago 9 Responses
Australian PM discusses emissions with China
From The Australian newspaper
KEVIN Rudd picked up two flags in front of him as he opened his speech last night to the Global Foundation's clean energy conference in Beijing.
Holding first the Australian flag then the Chinese flag, he said: "This is the largest coal exporter, this is the largest coal consumer.
"If between us we can't fix this problem, I don't think the rest of the world will think well of us. It's a core challenge."
Last night's gathering, he said, was focused on "the greatest economic and environmental challenge we'll be facing this century".
"Unless all of us are moving in the same direction, towards effectively saving the planet, then we will not be fulfilling our responsibility to the next generation," Mr Rudd said.
In his audience were the heads of many of Australia's biggest companies, including Telstra chairman Donald McGauchie, Future Fund chairman David Murray and ANZ chief executive Mike Smith.
From China's biggest companies and government departments came China National Offshore Oil Corporation chairman Fu Chengyu, China Shenhua Energy Company chief executive Ling Wen and Xie Zhenhua, China's environmental protection chief.
One of Mr Rudd's first acts as Prime Minister last year was to ratify the Kyoto Protocol on climate change. But Australia, and his Government, are also enjoying the economic bonanza from China's and the developing world's demand for national resources, including coking coal used in steelmaking and thermal coal burned to generate energy.
There is a recognition that any solution to climate change must involve the developing world containing its greenhouse gas emissions alongside developed countries such as Australia.
Mr Rudd, flanked by his Climate Change Minister Penny Wong, said that through commercial, scientific and political expertise and enthusiasm, "we have it in our hands to produce a solution for the planet".
"What is missing is a common resolve to press ahead," he said. "I hope that in my time we reach that resolve between us, because Ibelieve we have a common responsibility."
He said that he had arrived in China - the last leg on his 17-day world tour - after talking to the prime ministers of Britain and Norway and the presidents of the US, the European Union and South Africa. About "a third of the global discourse", he said, was focused on climate change issues.
He said all three US presidential candidates - John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama - were committed to significant action involving targets.
But unless all economies could agree on a path forward, there was "a great risk that we will undermine our long-term capacity for development". He said it was crucial for the world community to agree on a global target on carbon emissions.
"We are driven by the science, and if the science tells us we need to stabilise emissions at a certain level by a certain time (or irreversible and unsustainable climate change will result), this has toinform our carbon targets," hesaid.
So far, China has been reluctant to fix targets, calling on developed countries to recognise their per capita emissions remain much higher than the developing world.
On A roundup of news snippets posted 1 year, 7 months ago 3 ResponsesNews from Australia - No more coal power stations
From ABC (Australian Broadcasting Commission) news
The head of one of Australia's largest energy companies says the future of coal-fired power stations [in Australia] is limited.
Speaking on ABC1's Inside Business, AGL CEO Michael Fraser said it is unlikely any new coal generators will be built without significant improvements in technology and the ability to capture and store carbon.
Mr Fraser says he is accelerating the company's investment in wind, hydro and gas power in anticipation of a carbon-constrained future and that policy will require selling existing assets.
"There is a whole range of opportunities and we've got our balance sheet deployed in some assets that really aren't core to our strategy'" he said.
Mr Fraser says it is likely that a decision to sell its PNG gas assets, which are believed to be valued at around $500 million, is likely to made in coming weeks.
He says however no decision has been made on whether AGL will be a player in a proposed privatisation of NSW energy assets.
"I think we have to wait and see first what's for sale," he said.
"That's part of the reason why we're reshaping and giving ourselves balance sheet flexibility to participate. Ultimately whether we participate or not will depend on whether we see value for our shareholders."On A roundup of news snippets posted 1 year, 7 months ago 1 Response
Economists don't trust economists!
I've noticed an odd trend in Australian political-economic discussion lately.
Whenever the treasurers of the government and the opposition get into debate on TV, they do battle by flinging theories and factoids at each other which are attributed to various economists. But when they are presented with an economic point of view that they find inconvenient, they often attempt to deflect it by stating that you can always find an economist or economic theory to suit your argument, and that the public should not trust what economists say.
Both treasurers are economists!
Given that over the course on my life I will have seen most of the planet turned into a wasteland come toilet, and that our economies and therefore economists are largely responsible; I concur with their opinions of themselves, but little else.On A few thoughts for environmentalists posted 1 year, 8 months ago 95 Responses
Re: An alternative mechanism
When i say "acquire leasehold permits from the pool" I mean that the permits would then be privatized and the purchaser would then be able to freely on-sell them at market price.On How will the auction vs. allocation debate affect power prices? posted 1 year, 8 months ago 6 Responses
An alternative mechanism
How about a hybrid system.
- In the first place allocate emitters with leasehold permits at a government set price, reviewed annually.
- Reduce the CO2 values of these over time.
- Let emitters subsequently acquire leasholde permits from the leasehold pool, at which point leaseholders must either relinquish them or buy them competitively.
- By carefully controlling the rate of transfer of leases, the devaluation rate, and if necessary the issue of additional permits, the government should be able to steer toward a target price per carbon, a target national CO2 emission target, prevent a windfall to polluters, and reap profits to be spent on mitigation, energy infrastructure and research.
- In the first place allocate emitters with leasehold permits at a government set price, reviewed annually.
The black balloon ad is from Australia
That black balloon ad is run by the Victorian State government in south-east Australia.
Which is ironic since our electricity prices are escalating in part because a decade of low rainfall and hotter than average weather is driving up our electricity costs. This is because hydro power stations in the Australian Alps and the Tasmanian highlands are running out of water, and because coal power stations need water for cooling, and power stations are competing in water markets against farmers and driving the cost of water up.
The fact that air conditioner use is going through the roof with hotter than ever summers while developers are cutting corners by not putting eves on new houses isn't helping either.
- ABC News (Australian) - Record power use in Vic Heatwave
- ABC News (Oz) - Tasmanian hydro waiting for rain
- ABC News (Oz) - Consumers warned of power price hikes
- The Energy bulletin - Drought puts pressure on electricity
- ABC News (Australian) - Record power use in Vic Heatwave
Man charged over 'lawn watering' death
Forget road rage, we've got water rage!
* news articleOn Lessons the United States can learn from the drought in Australia posted 1 year, 8 months ago 6 Responses
Australia is still waiting for sustantial rains
The extreme dry has eased in much (but not all of Australia). However, we have not seen enough rainfall allow our largest river system - the Murray Darling Basin - to recover. We have been so dry for so long that the soils throughout the interior are so parched and aquifers so low that we need extraordinary rainfall to get enough runoff to make the system flow properly.
More info:
- The Annual Australian Climate Statement for 2007
- Murray System Drought Outlook, March 2008 (PDF)
- News article - Murray-Darling Basin outlook remains 'grim'
- News article - Cool summer for Australia, but La Nina fails to deliver big rains
- The Annual Australian Climate Statement for 2007
Australia's new leader gets real on agriculture.
Oh what a difference enlightened leadership makes!
Australian prime Minister Kevin Rudd has signaled taxpayer grants to support drought-affected farmers will be overhauled to ensure grants encourage climate change preparedness.
>> News article at the Australian NewspaperOn New study from mainstream ag economists at Iowa State posted 1 year, 8 months ago 46 Responses
A possible solution to the gift / auction problem
May I suggest the following
- Permits be divided into two classes, leasehold (owned by the government) and privatized.
- You can buy and sell privatized credits at market determined prices.
- You can use leasehold credits at government determined rates.
- If a competitor wants to buy your leased credits, you can only retain them by privatizing them. In which case you have to purchase them from the government and match the bid of you competitor.
- At the outset, emitters are leased credits based on their actual emissions at the time the scheme commences (with stiff penalties applying to emitters who are found to have artificially inflated their emissions in the lead up to commencement).
- The national/federal reserve bank in each nation, is given the responsibility for setting carbon value per credit. And is given a long term emissions target that it must strive to reach.
- The emissions target must be cumulative. That is, it is the sum of all emissions over the target period.
- Optionally the World Bank could be put in charge of determining and allocating global emissions credits. Nations might be allocated leased credits according to current emissions. And the credits may be reallocated between nations over time in order to enable per capita equality to eventually be achieved.
Solved!
(If this has not been thought of before, then I hereby dub it the 'Otway mechanism', after the beautiful and inspirational Otway Ranges where I live.)
Cheers
Craig AllenOn The core progressive issue in the fight over climate legislation posted 1 year, 8 months ago 25 Responses- Permits be divided into two classes, leasehold (owned by the government) and privatized.
Keeping up with green neighbors.
In Australia there is a movement called landcare. It's very active where I live in southern Victoria. Many farmers are revegetating the creeklines that run from the Otway Ranges down to the Barwon River, recreating the links that will allow birds and other wildlife like possums to move between the two. A lot of farmers were skeptical to begin with, but as the more progressive landholders got into it and the newly revegetated sections started to bloom, neighbors began to take notice and opinions turned. Now we've reached the half way point, and with the various 'Jones' properties looking beautiful criss-crossed with strips of woodland instead of erosion gullies, I bet the others are regretting not getting into the action sooner. I notice that there has been a rush on lately to fence creeks in preparation for the next planting season.On If people want to keep up with the Joneses, could they at least adopt a different set of Joneses? posted 1 year, 10 months ago 128 Responses
Victoria is a very dubious inclusion on that list
Going by what is written in that document, Victoria in Australia made it onto the list because the Victorian Environmental Protection Agency is working hard to reduce it's emissions. What a Joke! The state as a whole has increased emissions by 30% since 1990. Thats 103.6 million tonnes of carbon dioxide in 2007, compared with 80 million tonnes in 1990. The reason is that we are wedded to brown coal fired electricity. And the government's big plan to cut emissions - TV adds and they are investing in carbon sequestration research. Ptfwah!!! That the EPA has to resorted to crowing about it's internal emissions just demonstrates how lame it and the state really are - all talk, no action. There is more on this here and here.On States and provinces lead on climate initiatives posted 1 year, 10 months ago 2 Responses
The Saudi-Arabia of Geothermal is in Australia
Ours is way deeper though, in a vast region stretching from Queensland in the north-east of the continent through the cooper basin in the central-eastern deserts, down to the Flinders Ranges of South Australia, across to Victoria and Tasmania in the south-east (see figure three on this page). There is a rush on to explore and exploit it at the moment. The leader in the field is a company called Geodynamics but there are bunch of companies busily drilling away. The first Geodynamics production well is currently at 4km depth and will reach it's target within a few weeks. They will have their first prototype power station running within two years. Once that is done and they've achieved proof-of-concept, expect a further surge in investment and activity. The amount of energy available to be tapped is essentially unlimited.
On Talk about targeting! posted 1 year, 10 months ago 2 ResponsesWhere?
Send some this way. We desperately need it.On Water, water, everywhere posted 1 year, 12 months ago 7 Responses
That the Australian Greens actually say
The Australian Green website has a section on climate change where you can go to see what they actually do say.
You won't find much about living in caves there.
Although I guess that for many, taking actions such as using more public transport, taking shorter showers or turning on a ceiling fan instead of the air conditioner is considered to be a decreased quality of life.
Then again, at the moment the acute water shortages are impacting on gardens, public amenities like parks and ovals and driving up the cost of both water and electricity, so I guess we get the reduced quality of life if we don't meet our targets also.
Australia desperately needs to convince all countries to collectively reduce emissions. We obviously don't have much chance of being effective at that if we don't get on with reducing our own.On Australia national government transforms; conservative party falls apart posted 1 year, 12 months ago 11 Responses
The Prime Minister of Oz has signed Kyoto!
Cheers David for turning my comment into a post!
Well, it's official, Prime Minister Rudd has ratified the Kyoto Protocol.
I think it is also worth noting the other greenhouse related commitments of the Australian government :
- Signing the Kyoto agreement and working with other nations to move beyond it.
- Implement an emissions trading scheme by 2010.
- Achieving a national renewable energy target of 20% by 2020.
- Reducing greenhouse emission by 60% by 2050.
- Commitments to short and medium term targets once the draft of the Garnaut Report is released in June next year. (The Garnaut report being Australia's version of the Stern Report.)
- AUD$500 million - to develop, commercialize and deploy renewable energy.
- AUD$500 million - to the develop and deploy 'clean' coal technologies.
- AUD$240 million - for assisting and encouraging business to reduce emissions.
- AUD$150 million - to keep our world leading scientists and researchers in Australia, rather than losing them overseas.
- AUD$8000 rebates to households for solar power instillations.
- AUD$1000 rebates for solar hot water systems.
- AUD$500 rebates for gray water piping and rainwater tanks.
- AUD$500 rebates to assist landlords to install insulation.
- Up to AUD$10,000 per household in low interest green loans for solar systems and water and energy savings measures.
- Invest AUD$20 million in a Clean Energy Innovation Center.
- Invest in a Green Car Innovation Fund to develop and build green cars in Australia.
Half of this is allocated to be spent in the the first 3 year term of government. (Remember that Australia has 1/10th the population of the US, so multiply by ten to get a feel for the comparative degree of the commitments.)
The government needs the support of the Greens in the new senate to get their policies through, so that will keep them on their toes.
And as a further demonstration of how committed they are, the Prime Minister, the Minister for Environment, the Minister for Climate Change and Water and the Treasurer are all on their way to Bali.
Craig Allen
Forrest, Victoria, AustraliaOn Australia national government transforms; conservative party falls apart posted 1 year, 12 months ago 11 ResponsesOops
'I come from the land of Oz' is what I meant.On Partisan debate on climate change vs. unity posted 1 year, 12 months ago 24 Responses
Icom from the Land of Oz
Caniscandida,
Us Aussies have long referred to our earthly paradise as the Land of Oz.
The term was popularized here in the late 60s and 1970s by an underground magazine called Oz. (The magazine emerged from the underground in a very public and very controversial obsenity trial.)
So there you go; thats why I used Oz$ as a shortcut for the Australian dollar. (I assumed that 'Oz' was widely used elsewhere when talking about us - obviously not!)On Partisan debate on climate change vs. unity posted 1 year, 12 months ago 24 Responses
Another thing on the Oz election
In my post below on the Australian election I forgot to mention one other significant thing.
The senate results are as below
Liberal/National Coalition (the conservatives who just lost) - 37
Labor (the new left wing government) - 32
The Greens - 5
Family first (a Christian party) - 1
Nick Xenophon (a left leaning, pro environment independent) - 1So to get policies through the senate that the conservatives don't like, the government will need to have the support of the Greens + Nick Xenophon. That'll keep em on their toes.
So Caniscandida, stow your cynicism for now. Things are definitely looking up in the Antipodes.
On Partisan debate on climate change vs. unity posted 1 year, 12 months ago 24 ResponsesIt's already happened David
As this news item demonstrates, the Australian conservatives have already rolled over and admitted that signing Kyoto is a good idea.
And this article in the 'Australian' newspaper suggests that Australia's shift is already providing a welcome impetus to the Bali talks. (It also mentions that the Prime Minister, Mr Rudd, spoke to Al Gore yesterday and that they are looking forward to getting together in Bali.)
Perhaps, having seen the Australian turn-around, the US Democrats will grow some balls and get on with it.On Partisan debate on climate change vs. unity posted 1 year, 12 months ago 24 Responses
Ha ! defeated by blog technology ...
When I said "Correction to the above" below, I should have said "correction to the below" below.
Um, ... you'll work it out I'm sure :)On Partisan debate on climate change vs. unity posted 1 year, 12 months ago 24 Responses
Correction to the above ...
That should have been Oz$500 million (not Oz$500,000) - to develop, commercialize and deploy renewable energy.On Partisan debate on climate change vs. unity posted 1 year, 12 months ago 24 Responses
Australia has done a backflip
Let me give you a shining example of why politics is so important.
You may be aware that Australia recently had an election and that the government of John Howard (a good mate and supporter of George Bush) has been crushed by the left leaning Labor Party, led by Kevin Rudd (a former diplomat and fluent speaker of Mandarin) with the support of the Australian Greens.
Howard himself lost his seat to a very switched on former journalist from the Australian Broadcasting Commission - Maxine McKew.
It is widely recognized that the backward stance of Howard with respect to climate change played a significant role in the change of government.
The new Deputy Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, is the first woman ever to hold that role.
As of yesterday we now have two dedicated, intelligent, enlightened ministers who are committed to helping the country get to grips with the environment, water and climate change, and who are eager to seek and accept the best advice available from the scientific community, economists and business leaders. Mr Rudd declared yesterday that his minister for The Environment, Heritage and the Arts is Mr Peter Garrett - the former head of the Australian Conservation Foundation (equivalent to the Sierra club in the US and the RSPB in Britain). And in addition there will be a dedicated Minister for Climate Change and Water - Ms Penny Wong, a Malaysian-Chinese immigrant. Ms Wong will lead the way in international negotiations on climate change, Mr Garrett will lead the way in developing and implementing policy within Australia.
The Labor party already held power in every state and territory in the country. The state and territory governments have been battling the national government for years to get meaningful greenhouse policies in place. Now the brakes are off. To find the highest ranking right-wing politician in Australia you now have to look to the Mayor of Brisbane!
It's always easy to be cynical ('no matter what, you always get a politician'). But this new crop includes some of the most committed, intelligent, environmentally savvy, socially progressive people in the country.
It's like some kind of miracle!
The new Australian governments's commitments include :
- Signing and moving beyond the Kyoto agreement.
- Achieving a national renewable energy target of 20% by 2050.
- Reducing greenhouse emission by 60% by 2050.
- Commitments to short and medium term targets once the draft of the Garnaut Report is released in June next year. (The Garnaut report being Australia's version of the Stern Report.)
- Oz$500,000 - to develop, commercialize and deploy renewable energy .
- Oz$500 million - to the develop and deploy 'clean' coal technologies
- Oz$240 million - for assisting and encouraging business to reduce emissions.
- Oz$150 million - to keep our world leading scientists and researchers in Australia, rather than losing them overseas.
- $8000 rebates to households for solar power instillations.
- $1000 rebates for solar hot water systems.
- $500 rebates for gray water piping and rainwater tanks.
- $500 rebates to assist landlords to install insulation.
- up to $10,000 per household in low interest green loans for solar systems and water and energy savings measures.
- Invest $20 million in a Clean Energy Innovation Center.
- Invest in a Green Car Innovation Fund to develop and build green cars in Australia.
I suspect that in setting greenhouse reduction targets based on a comprehensive and honest analysis of both the most up-to-date science and a realistic understanding of our economy, and then acting in such a decisive manner to meet them, we will be able to significantly influence the likes of Canada, the US and China (as indeed the actions of US states such as California have influenced us). It is likely to be very helpful in negotiations to have a Prime Minister who speaks Mandarin and a Climate Change Minister who is ethnic Chinese. Mr Rudd, Mr Garrett and Ms Wong will all be attending the Bali Climate summit.
The unwillingness of conservative governments, such as those that remain in Canada and the US, to face and respond to the avalanche of science that details the grave dangers inherent in the business-as-usual path, inevitably dooms them to the same fate as the former Australian government. You can only be overtly, pigheadedly stupid for so long before the electorate starts to notice.
Cheers from sunny Australia
Craig AllenOn Partisan debate on climate change vs. unity posted 1 year, 12 months ago 24 Responses- Signing and moving beyond the Kyoto agreement.
He's ours now
Hey, all you Americans; give up on the presidential thing. He's ours now (as in the rest of the World's). We need statesmen(women) who can stride the international stage, and Al Gore is deeply deeply impressive and inspirational in that capacity. It would be a terrible misfortune if he got bogged down once again in your cesspit of a political system. He is doing a brilliant job out there right now connecting with and turning the opinions of the leaders of nations and industries across the globe. On Al Gore and the IPCC jointly win peace prize posted 2 years, 1 month ago 56 Responses
John Bailo get a life
John Bailo, you seem to be afflicted with some form of verbal diarrhea. I'm worried for you, you should get it checked by a professional, it might be fatal.On Brit judge claims to find errors in Gore movie posted 2 years, 1 month ago 15 Responses
Not all powerplants use water
The deep hot dry rock geothermal electricity industry in Australia is about to take off. Much of the resource is in desert areas where water is in short supply.
So the market leader - Geodynamics - plans to use a Kalina Cycle plant to generate electricity. This uses a coupled pair of closed circulation loops whereby water, having been circulated deep into the earth, then at the surface gives up a portion of it's heat to a second fluid which is then flashed to turn turbines. The cooler (but not cold) water is then re-injected back down wells into the geothermal anomaly. The anomaly that they are currently drilling holds enough recoverable heat to meet all Australian electricity needs for hundreds of years!
If it is possible to do this with geothermal heat, you have to wonder why it can't be done with other forms of thermal power station.
Here in Melbourne last summer we had the price of water being bidded up by coal power stations competing in the water market with farmers. Now we are about to begin building desal plants to secure water for the city. So we appear to be fast approaching the obsurd situation where we have to generate more electricity to power desal plants to supply fresh water to urban populations because the water is needed for the power stations, so they can generate electricity to power the desal plants so that ...On Water limits on power plants posted 2 years, 1 month ago 14 Responses
Keep it coming JB
Balloons? Real estate bubbles? Apple Computers?
Ha! Keep it coming, I need the laughs cos my hometown is dieing from a never ending drought. And those damned climatologists are bringing me no good news.
-> My home town bites the dust.
-> Followed closely by the rest of southern Australia.On The ongoing humiliations of the tattered 'climate skeptic' movement posted 2 years, 2 months ago 10 Responsesoops
Water, of course, cannot be compressed. The Ceto wave energy device pumps pressurised water ashore, not compressed water. So water pressure would be used to compress air, which would then be used to run cars, buses or trains.On Economist stuff posted 2 years, 3 months ago 17 Responses
Use the compressed air to run air cars
Compressed air can be used to run cars directly.
A prototype car - the Air Car - has already been built and mass production is about to begin.
Imagine petrol stations being converted to air stations. In many places high pressure pipes from nearby hills fitted with windmills could enable compressed air to be generated locally.
I have no idea how much compressed energy a high pressure tanker could carry, but it would great if the tankers could both carry the air and simultaneously run their engines with it.
There is a bunch more info here.
And finally, I'd like to note that whereas wind power might not be available close to many major cities, wave power is. And this company will soon be producing submerged wave energy harvesters that pump compressed water ashore. If water pressure is used to compress air, then a large number of coastal cities could use compressed air for vehicles and for many other purposes.On Economist stuff posted 2 years, 3 months ago 17 Responses
Proof that meters work:
In Australia over the last couple of months we have been treated to a television program called 'Carbon Cops'. In each program the cops coached a different family on ways to reduce their carbon footprint. The Families were all pretty average people, but they were chosen because each had emissions that were quite a bit over the Australian national average (about 14ton C)2 per household). Every family managed to cut their emissions in half and save between 5 and 10 thousand $Oz each. And it was relatively easy for them to do it.
It was clear that the electricity/carbon meters that they were given was key to achieving this remarkable outcome. It was a simple device that showed a bar of five squares that changes from green to yellow to flashing red with a beep. The funny thing was that they all fell in love with the beast; the families excitedly scrambled all units to find the cause whenever it showed high usage.
The other amazing thing the show revealed was how often people were wasting huge amounts of energy, with no actual benefit. And they demonstrated how easy it often was to fix a problem.
So simple, soooo effective.
Makes me think that there is a market niche there for a business that to goes into peoples home to show them how to reduce emissions and save money. The fee could be a proportion of the annual money saved by the household. This could be done on a contractual basis. The consultant comes in, does an audit, coaches the family on reducing emissions, signs a contract, organizes for certain changes to be made to the house (perhaps charging for the upfront cost), then returns at the end of a year to do a re-audit and charges a percentage of the money saved.On Stupid on smart meters posted 2 years, 3 months ago 4 Responses
ANother contender
Sliver cells may be another contender:
See here for an transcript of an interview with one of the developers.
See the manufacturers website here. They are currently building their pilot manufacturing plant.On Interesting stuff on the hottest new green tech posted 2 years, 4 months ago 4 Responses
IT vs GGWS
It's amazing to compare the reactions to The Inconvenient Truth on the one hand and The Great Global Warming Swindle on the other.
Climate scientists agree that The Inconvenient Truth basically got it right in most respects with a few quibbles here and there about how Mr Gore presented a few things.
It's clear on the other hand, to anyone with half a brain, that GGWS is full of overt fabrications and misrepresentations. So much so that the version that was shown in Australia recently was considerably shorter than the original after the producers were forced to remove the most obvious errors and distortions. In an interview shown after that screening the producer squirmed and blustered, but was unable to defend any aspect of it.
And yet there are all these people gnashing their teeth over AL Gore's rather dry but none the less clear and well presented effort, while at the same time praising the embarrassingly and obviously dishonest GGWS.
Why are people so desperate to deny the integrity and intelligence of thousands of dedicated scientists, while at the same time clinging to the muddled ramblings of a tiny group of people who have done little or no research in the field of climate science, and now devote themselves to sowing doubt by rehashing discredited ideas, creating falsehoods and distorting the work of others?
Nuts! The human race is totally nuts. It's looking like the best case scenario we can hope for in the face of such astounding pigheaded stupidity is a mixed bag of catastrophes. The worse case scenario leaves us with a global stuffup that will take the biosphere millions of years to recover from. It's like the human race is collectively insane.On Game over posted 2 years, 4 months ago 13 Responses
Pro(ish) kangaroo harvest point-of-view from Oz
I see kangaroo harvesting as a means of improving nature conservation & land management in Australian landscapes. But as currently implemented the industry is flawed.
I grew up in a pioneer family on the Eyre Peninsular. My great grandparents, grandparents, parents and most of my extended family lived their lives carving farms out of the mallee bush which is characteristic of this area and much of southern South Australia. My father alone cleared about ten thousand acres of mallee woodland. As a kid I became interested in ecology and conservation through seeing and catching the amazing variety of reptiles, birds, insects and marsupials and other mammals creatures that appeared when dad was bulldozing the bush. Some time around the age of eight I decided that I was less than impressed with the family business and eventually ended up studying ecology at university, and have worked in the conservation sector all my adult life.
So, here are a few observations and thoughts:
- In some seasons, kangaroos were a very real problem on our farm. I have seen mobs of 50 or so of them that emerged from bush adjacent to wheat or barley paddocks to graze. Dad's solution : grain laced with strychnine. I shudder to think what else was killed - parrots, other marsupials, eagles, crows etc feeding on the carcasses etc.
- Some of the more common species (some of which are harvested) have biologies that allow them to rapidly increase in population in good years. The populations then crash in drought years.
- Farmers have cleared vast areas of natural ecosystems and continue to do so in order to plant crops and graze stock. This will continue. Even though the era broad-acre clearance is coming to a close, a less obvious degradation of natural ecosystems still occurs through the grazing of the woodlands and grasslands by stock, a practice that slowly kills of the undergrowth and prevents regeneration.
- In drought years, vast areas of Australia's agricultural lands that have been cleared of all native vegetation effectively become Sahara-like desert, wracked by dust storms.
- In a holistic sense, the loss of native vegetation is a far greater threat to native species than is the harvesting of the more common native species.
- Most species of kangaroos and wallabys are totally protected.
- If farmers were able to make a living from kangaroos, they would in theory be able swap at least some of their enterprise away from domestic stock, thereby reducing their impact on the landscape and ecosystems.
- Currently the industry is not structured in a manner that enables this to occur. Landholders generally receive no direct income when roos are harvested from their land.
- In areas and at times where there are high populations, then farmers are given a licence to cull if there is no harvest by professional shooters. The carcasses are then left to rot.
- In theory, I support the concept of the harvest of some species of kangaroo, under strict controls including quotas that are set according to population monitoring.
- However, as currently structured, I believe that the industry does not provide the incentives that are required in order to achieve the positive conservation outcomes that are needed.
It saddens me to think that instead of clearing all that beautiful bush, my family could have found a way to perhaps clear perhaps only half of it and to instead make a living from looking after the rest and harvesting the roos rather then poisoning and shooting them as pests. It really burns me up to know that the process continues when a better way is known. It perplexes me to think that people, who claim to care, are actively working against the development of a way of living with the land that preserves habitat, flora and fauna rather than eliminating it.
An a final note on the animal suffering: I won't go into details here, but I am absolutely convinced that meat production through kangaroo harvesting is more humane than through sheep production. And there is no way known that we are going to convince everyone to become vegetarians any time soon.
Some further reading
- The Kangaroo harvesting page on the FATE website
"The FATE vision is to incorporate alternative forms of land-use into the landscape mosaic of rural Australia that combine production and conservation through the commercial use of native species."
NB: I have nothing to do with them - I just mostly agree with them. - Background info from the Australian Government, including population statistics harvest quotas.
- The Australian Conservation Policy statement on kangaroo harvesting
- Notice on harvest season closure in Western Australia (Gives an idea of how the management currently happens.)
- In some seasons, kangaroos were a very real problem on our farm. I have seen mobs of 50 or so of them that emerged from bush adjacent to wheat or barley paddocks to graze. Dad's solution : grain laced with strychnine. I shudder to think what else was killed - parrots, other marsupials, eagles, crows etc feeding on the carcasses etc.
The US is going to miss the boat
If this map is even vaguely accurate, then biomass produced ethanol is a dead-end as a US industry. It will have to be done in Canada because by 2050 almost the entire climatic zone for growing corn, wheat etc. will have moved north of the border.
Besides:
If deep dry geothermal has anywhere near the potential elsewhere as it seems to have in Australia (see the geodynamics website for a revelatory experience).
And if a breakthrough in the production of fuel from CO2 using electricity and new catalysts can be achieved (eg. as being investigated here and as described here).
Then the whole biomass to fuel concept becomes irrelevant.
Imagine how quickly we could get these kinds of solutions of the ground if even a fraction of the money spent on fusion and fission research were put into this kind of thing.On With the right rules in place, it could work posted 2 years, 5 months ago 115 Responses
Huh! You've got this the wrong way around
John Howard is a master politician. He and George Bush are close pals. But I suggest that the influence is more likely the other way around.
We are currently witnessing an all out brawl among Australian politicians over climate change in the lead up to our federal election. Howard has no credibility on the issue, having spent the last decade denying that it is a problem. But given past experience it is not unlikely that he will manage to win anyway. He is running the line that:
'OK, you the Australian people want something done about this climate change thingy - alright I'll fix it - trust me - but I won't give you targets or anything that irresponsible until after the election - and don't be foolish and vote for the opposition - if climate change is a bad as you think it is, then you need me at the helm to deal with it by keeping the economy steaming ahead with my fiscal conservatism - oh and by the way, this means we'll need to build lots of nuclear power stations, and export loads more Uranium - cutting back CO2 is gonna hurt - but I'll make it hurt less than those other clowns - they'd ruin us all with their environmental extremism.'
To get a real idea of what is going on in Australian politics environment-wise, read the news items in the Environment section of the Australian Broadcasting Commission (ABC) website.
Or better yet, search the audio downloads of the Phillip Adams' Late Night Live radio show for relevant discussions of either greenhouse or Howard.
In fact, just listen to LNL from now on and you'll get a better understanding of what is going on in the World than is possible from any other single source.
On the other side of the coin, the Australian company Geodynamics is about to tap into a Geothermal source that has the potential to supply all Australia's power requirements for the next millennium at a price competitive with coal, so I suspect that the prime minister's opinion is about to become irrelevant with regard greenhouse in the domestic economy.On Australia tries to distract from Kyoto posted 2 years, 5 months ago 8 Responses