Comments wayneluke has made
- Regarding Junk Mail, the "Return to Sender" bit does not work for bulk local junkmail. My postman just leaves it in the box and if they do take it, they just throw it in the trash at the post office. It will not be returned and it will not be recycled. I just dump it in the recycle bin on my way into the house. Yes, I have called the Postmaster and I have called the local businesses that send it to me and asked to be removed. And yes, I still get flyers and coupons stuffed into my mailbox every Tuesday and Thursday. In fact that is the only mail I get. All my bills are paperless. Regarding computers, most businesses have servers and these don't get turned off. They don't go into hibernation. They just run. Talk to the IT department about getting your workstations to turned "off" at the end of the day with a "Wake on Lan Activity". Most IT departments will update computers at night while they are not being used so they need those computers responsive when they push an update. If they have to go around and turn on all the computers than you have just made their jobs a lot harder. A bigger push would be to switch users to lower energy laptops or slimline desktops with low power LCD monitors and use distributed applications run on the servers for the main power use. You can even buy servers with lower power requirements these days. Turning off the monitor (no glowing LEDs) and hibernating local workstations at the end of the day would save a significant amount across an organization though. It wouldn't prevent IT from updating software either since it is all done remotely. Wayne.On Ask Umbra on shower caps, computers, and junk mail posted 1 week, 4 days ago 20 Responses
People should encourage their local municipalities to install low-flow toilets and waterless urinals at all public facilities. Local cities and water districts can encourage that commercial buildings install these as well with incentives and tax rebates. After years of drought here in California, a lot of local businesses are installing the waterless urinals to lower their ever increasing water bill. One popular miniature golf course locally estimates that its waterless urinals save 120,000 gallons of water a year. 40,000 gallons per urinal.
On Ask Umbra on public peeing posted 6 months, 1 week ago 20 ResponsesTried this for a few weeks.
We tried this for a few months and it didn't go over well. Now I just unplug certain appliances when they aren't being used. The only thing on a power strip that is turned off now are the cell phone chargers.
Aside from the programming and the satellite receiver requiring 10 minutes to boot up every time it is turned off, is the fact that we experience a lot of power brownouts during peak draw periods. I work at home so am required to use my computers during the day and these brownouts have caused hardware damage. So all 6 of the PCs on the network are on Uninterruptible Power Supplies and line conditioners. They prevent me from losing equipment. Television and DVR are similarly setup. Unfortunately, these have to constant draw power or they do not serve their purpose.
When I did turn off everything and reduce the power draw, I saw absolutely no effect on my electric bill. Not even a dip in the average kilowatt hours used per day. Instead, we started switching from CFLs to LED lights, switched all outdoor lights to solar power, have battery powered Alarm Clocks (with rechargeable batteries), do most kitchen work by hand, and conserve where ever we can and the power usage has dropped 70% in the last year. Part of that is because we moved to a new energy efficient home. But a good portion is due to saving efforts. Now I am trying to figure out if the environmental cost of new energy star appliances (refrigerator, freezer, washer, dryer, microwave) versus long term energy savings and if it is worth it to replace my existing appliances. On Umbra on power strips posted 2 years ago 13 Responses
Presents
My children are older but a few years ago, we started giving the kids a Gift Card instead of a bunch of wrapped presents. For my oldest son, he usually accumulates this along with other money for one big thing he wants. One year it was a Nintendo DS. Right now, he is saving money for a Nintendo Wii. My daughter, the youngest, uses her money to usually buy clothes but we have to donate her old stuff to the domestic violence shelter. The only one we have problems with is our middle child. He is autistic and really doesn't understand the concept of a gift card opposed to say a new Bionicles set (Legos for those without children).
We also take the kids out to dinner at the restaurant of their choice (no fast food though) and purchase them ice cream afterwards.
As far as dealing with stuff, we cycle through things and give their clothes and toys to charity at Yule time. However it can still be hard to manage things. On Umbra on kids' birthday parties posted 2 years, 2 months ago 15 Responses
Turkeys
For the last few years, we have had a friend grow our turkeys for us. Not completely organic but free range and cage free. We didn't get our order in this year so will probably get an organic bird from the local meat processor that handles our pig every year and also handles the local buffalo herd.On Thanksgiving isn't just about the food; it is about relationships posted 2 years, 2 months ago 17 Responses
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My freezer uses $30 a year in electricity. Need to proofread better without the benefit of an edit function.On Umbra on the impact of food purchases posted 2 years, 2 months ago 21 Responses
Freezers.
My freezer uses $20.00 a year in electricity. That is pretty darn efficient in my book. The microwave would use more. I am not pretending it isn't part of the part. There isn't another solution for my needs at this time. I have my meat raised locally. This means I get 300 lbs of pork at once. It isn't going to stay edible sitting in the refrigerator or on the counter. Nor can I shop on a daily basis to keep foods. We do major shopping once a month, fill-ins once a week. Blanch and freeze what we can. I make our bread and snacks. We only use 1 gallon of milk a month (2 half gallon bottles because 1 gallons would spoil and add more waste), etc...
Might as well launch the world's nukes if you're going to preach and absolutist solution to everything. You can advocate getting rid of things but in the real world people need to make compromises. We gave up other things so that we can keep the freezer because it is necessary for our lives right now.On Umbra on the impact of food purchases posted 2 years, 2 months ago 21 Responses
Recycling centers.
While my community has a free waste disposal center that is open every other Saturday and recycling CFLs is not hard, I agree with the comment on Recycling. I would hazard a guess that most of Wal-marts customers do not recycle at all, let alone think about the hazards of CFL bulbs in the waste stream.
However, I think more impact would be made if Wal-mart got rid of their plastic shopping bags and encouraged people to reuse cloth bags. Heck, it would be an entirely new money stream for them.On Wal-Mart to sell its own brand of compact fluorescent light bulbs posted 2 years, 2 months ago 4 Responses
So...
I think the key is how much that mansion uses in absolute terms, not per square foot. If someone has built a 15,000 square foot mansion that use 90% less energy than a typical U.S. home, I'm fine with that. A 90% reduction is a 90% reduction,and that helps develop the technology. If someone has built a mansion that uses 90% less than a typical 15,000 square foot home, that is not particularly green.
So I saw this on "Living with Ed".
Supposedly Larry Hagman has a 25,000 square foot home and a $13.00 annual electric bill. That is the cost of the meter. He has an 82 KWh solar array that provides electricity for his home and 5 of his neighbors. According to the show, he is looking into adding Wind Power to supplement this. The property is also on its own well, which has a storage tank in the house that doubles as and indoor pool. The house is cooled with passive solar skylights as well.
The motivation for going green? His first year's electric bill was $37,000.On Should USGBC certify a 15,000-sq.-ft. home as green? posted 2 years, 2 months ago 40 Responses
Interesting but...
I just don't see governments eliminating or lowering their main source of income because of a carbon tax. If anything, that will be on top of what people pay now.
If it were otherwise, the republicans would be all over this because they could consolidate funds at the federal level while local and state governments have to beg and plead for funds. All under the guise of lowering taxes for the people.On Thursday event in D.C. seeks carbon questions posted 2 years, 2 months ago 15 Responses
In regards to a carbon tax.
Here is a question in regards to a carbon tax.
With a carbon tax in place, what safeguards would you recommend so that there are no adverse affects on the poor but also make it so the middle class are not double taxed?
A carbon tax would make fuel and electricity more expensive. As it is now, we pay taxes and fees on our monthly utility bills to subsidize service for the people in California that can't afford the full service. If there is an increase in production costs (carbon tax), that will be offset. If the poor cannot pay it, then it will be charged to other customers. Most people can handle a new tax on their own consumption either by reducing consumption or repriortizing but making them justify additional subsidies to the poor will be a hard sell.On Thursday event in D.C. seeks carbon questions posted 2 years, 2 months ago 15 Responses
Tendencies
On a completely different subject: Do Americans tend to make sloppy environmental choices when they have the responsibility of raising children, given everyone's crowded schedule? E.g., so far as food goes, and having to feed the kids, do they resort more frequently to, say, fast-food restaurants, and to industrialized luncheon meats, than childless adults? Or are we all equally sloppy?
When my brothers and I were growing up, we lived on a small 1 acre piece of land. On that land my parents grew all of our meat (beef, chicken, pork, lamb and rabbit). My mother worked as a teacher for the Los Angeles County Probation Dept. My father was a Probation Officer in the same department. When growing up, we rarely had store bought snacks. My mother made cookies, cakes and all that from scratch. We spent every Saturday in the Summer making Ice Cream. Boy, my brothers and I would turn that handle for hours.
Anyway, I didn't even have my first Oreo cookie until I was in high school (mid 80s). I thought it was disgusting and still do to this day. However now, my parents are home alone and my father has to watch his diet due to diabetes and having had a double bypass a few years back. Both diseases run in the family. But they buy a lot of garbage now. My mother has pre-sweetened cereal for when the grandkids come to visit. I don't buy that. The closest we get is a box of Organic Rice Krispies. She has about 10 different types of store bought cookies in the house at all times and a lot of other junkfood for the grandkids. Personally, I am appalled because I didn't get to eat that stuff when I was a kid and she buys it now for my kids. It isn't time now because she doesn't work now and she still makes cakes and pies from scratch on a regular basis.
Though I think it is convenience. When I was growing up in the 70s and 80s, we lived about 30 miles from the closest supermarket and even then we had 2 choices to shop at, Shopping Bag and Gemco. That meant fewer trips. Now they live in an older downtown neighborhood of the city and they have access to a dozen supermarkets including 2 Super Walmarts, Costco and Sam's Club.
I did make her feel guilty the other day. Seems she has some pre-sweetened cereal she needs to rotate out and get rid of. She offered to me and I simply said "I don't allow my children to eat that." She asked why and I responded because that is how I was raised. Even though its hard to resist temptation and my kids are older now so they aren't as influenced by the super sweet commercials during cartoons. It is tough at times when you have to tell your kids no they can't have the "Super Sweet Breakfast Sugar with Cereal Additive" that is hot that week. But I do keep organic chocolate bars in the house for the occasional treat and we do have home made cookies and breads regularly so I believe they are not deprived in the sweet category.
As for meat pouches, never have used them. When we did buy lunch meat, it was always at the deli. Now I don't bother with it. We either slice it ourselves or have alternatives for lunch.On More than half of U.S. families bought packaged meat last year. Gross posted 2 years, 2 months ago 14 Responses
California Legislature
The state's legislature isn't going to debate much. They adjourned for the year a week ago.
http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2007/09/californi ...On Schwarzenegger unveils $9 billion water bond package posted 2 years, 2 months ago 2 Responses
So Earth Shaman,
Against my better judgement...
What is the right track?On Thursday event in D.C. seeks carbon questions posted 2 years, 2 months ago 15 Responses
Make Your Own.
I'd say make your own frozen dinners if you can. Cooking for one can be time consuming and energy intensive, depending on what you cook. However when you cook larger amounts, you get economies of scale as well. Most prepared foods can be frozen in reusable containers for later use. One way to start this is to make double servings when you do cook. One for now and one for later. Freeze the second serving. Soon, you'll have a whole freezer full of "Finicky Cuisine" meals. Leftovers are great when they come from great food.
I would also suggest eating more raw foods such as salads and fruit with your meals. This will cut down on your energy requirements as well.
As far as Whole Foods, it would be nice if they were everywhere but sadly most people in the country do not have access to one. Tesco's however is building 400 smaller stores (10-15 thousand sq. ft.) in California, Nevada and Oregon this year and they will carry similar meals.On Umbra on the impact of food purchases posted 2 years, 2 months ago 21 Responses
Sam...
California just updated its Renewable Energy Standards. Seems they are going to hit the 20% goal early. In 2010 instead of 2017. The new goal is 33% by 2025. That is pretty significant. Southern California Edison already sits at around 18% and they are continuing to add to it. PG&E already sits at 10%. Also the state has banned these utilities from purchasing power from plants that produce more pollution than Natural Gas plants. This effectively bans coal. It would seem that at least some offsets are having an affect.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/12/14/B ...
I would say the problem is that only 25 states have RES programs and some range as low as 5.5% (Texas). This would be from a lack of federal standards. However as more states mandate renewable purchases, the amount of coal will decrease. It isn't an overnight solution. Nothing would be.On Can planting trees offset your carbon footprint? posted 2 years, 2 months ago 20 Responses
Good Idea John..
I think I'll have that printed up on some bumper stickers and sell them at festivals. I'll make a bundle.On State renewable electricity standards create jobs while cutting pollution posted 2 years, 2 months ago 3 Responses
Carbon Offsets
At this point, I don't understand attacking the merits of offsets. The voluntary carbon markets have hit the ground and taken off running, you're not going to stop it but you can provide information to make them better.
Actually from what I have read on this site, most people aren't against the idea of carbon offsets. They are against their current implementation and the existing problem with no regulation.
For carbon offsets to work, we need more immediate solutions. Everyone pushes trees because they are cheap. They are pushing the message that everything can be offset with planting trees. Instead of planting trees, why not introduce neighborhood power generation? Wouldn't that have a more immediate effect and truly offset carbon usage? Look at Pacific Gas & Electric's program. They are selling trees that already exist and have offset their carbon to make people feel good about their electrical usage. However if they promoted tidal power generators along the breakwaters in numerous bays along California's coast or use the cash flow to provide needy families with solar panels on their homes, they would actually do more. Maybe they could figure out a way to generate wind power on the thousands of power transmission towers criss-crossing the state. New clean power generation without requiring more land would be nice.
Offsets or the ideas of offsets are nice. But promoting trees when their contribution is really not that great isn't. Planting a few million acres of rainforest in Brazil would definately help but its a lot more than trees that go into that equation.On Can planting trees offset your carbon footprint? posted 2 years, 2 months ago 20 Responses
PETA also value genetically bred farm animals more
The cow as used in the beef industry does not exist in nature. It was bred by farmers over the centuries. What would happen to these animals if people overturned Factory Farming fairly quickly? They don't have the instincts or skills to survive in the wild. They don't have an indigenous habitat. Domesticated cattle may be able to interbreed with American Bison and well as Indian and African Buffalo, but they aren't the same animals anymore. Not after 3,000 years of selection and inbreeding. Pigs might survive as the invasive wild boars in the Americas and Polynesian islands have proven. Ducks and geese among poulty might but I doubt domesticated turkeys and chickens would. I have lived on a farm and these animals are not very bright. They have had the brains bred out of them over the years. Something tells me these animals would be put to death if something as drastic as outlawing factory farming was to happen. Wholesale Euthanasia.
Really, I am not against the message. My meat consumption is drastically reduced from what it was. However I can't seem to find the same products that Matt Prescott finds for vegan eating. Most make me want to gag, quite literally.
My problem is what I see as an ethical issue with the conveyors of the message. How can PETA say they are for the rights of all animals when they regularly euthanize them on an annual basis. That to me is the problem with this whole campaign. I see it as them telling me not to eat the animals so they can euthanize them later. Maybe that is their weekend night out. Maybe when they adopt out 80% of the animals they take in instead of killing them it will sit better.
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petaKillsAnimals.cfm
My wife works at a facility with 7% of PETA's budget and they are able to provide homes for 1500 dogs and cats every year. Not one is euthanized. They have a full time veternarian on staff as well as numerous vet techs. They also have a full hospital on the facility including intensive care units. Most of the animals are considered feral or dangerous and would be euthanized immediately by the local Animal Control Department. They wouldn't even try to adopt them out. And yet, they have homes here. Not one is euthanized.
On PETA VP argues vegetarianism is the best way to help the planet posted 2 years, 2 months ago 77 ResponsesHumane End
Did you ever bother to read the follow up story? PETA was guaranteeing a HUMANE end for those animals. There IS a limit to what we can rescue. 5 Million animals die per year cause there aren't enough homes. do you know that each person in the US would have to have 5 dogs and I forget how many cats (not 5 per household... 5 per person) to eradicate euthanasia as a way of dealing with the 'excess'.
My wife works in a no-kill animal rescue that has over 1500 animals currently. They are mostly cats and dogs but there are horses and other farm animals as well as a few abandoned raptors. They have never had to kill an animal because they "don't have room". If someone dropped off 100 animals tomorrow, they would create room, build them shelter and take them in for as long as they wanted to live. Of course they have a $2 Million yearly budget and a couple hundred acres of land to support this. However, I am sure there are other similar shelters of varying degrees to help find home for the animals that had to be "humanely put to death".On Animal-rights group makes the stupid claim that enviros must be vegetarians posted 2 years, 2 months ago 208 Responses
Thinking outloud
One would think that working against climate change and staving off disease in third-world countries could work symbiotically. If the rainforests in Africa and South America were restored and healthy, they would bring more diversity in life and water to the regions. This in turn can help keep down pathogenic creatures like mosquitos and therefore diseases like malaria. By restoring large lakes to their former glory, you would increase the numbers of fish that would not only be a local food source but would again feed on the mosquitos and their larva. Fresh clean water would reduce the occurence of dysentary and other waterborne illness. Sustainable crop land would provide healthier food for the indigenous people so they are less likely to get sick. Restoring natural habitats would increase bird and bat populations and would further reduce the spread of pathogens.
To me it seems that both are interconnected. By destroying our ecosystems, we increase the amount of global warming and disease. By restoring them, we can decrease both.On Debating Bjorn Lomborg on global warming posted 2 years, 2 months ago 13 Responses
Thanks.
Thanks for the list. My wife and I will probably enter the car market next year and we want to make sure all our options are open to us including used but efficient vehicles and the hybrid market.
While I walk as much as possible, public transit doesn't really exist in my area. The scheduling and costs make it an near impossible option. I can walk three miles to the store and get home before the bus would be able to pick me up, travel to the other side of town, make me get on a transfer and then go to the whole foods store. We only have one but it takes 4 buses and 3 hours to get there. Not to mention the fact that there is no way my wife can take public transportation or carpool to work. Not everyone is so lucky. If she could, then we would take advantage of it since we only own one car. So as much as we would like to, we can't get rid of the car. Another car would have been nice since my son missed the bus today and therefore did not go to school. There is simply no other way to get him there.
So yes, while they have problems and are expensive not everyone can just chuck them out of their lives.On 15 Green Cars posted 2 years, 2 months ago 27 Responses
Fossil Fuel Industry
Hey, this will all work great. All we have to do is push that trillion dollar a year fossil fuel industry out of the way. They'll go quietly.
If you push renewables and offer the coal miners in the country jobs installing those systems without worrying about cave-ins or black lung diseases and comparable (or better income rates), then you can simply go around that industry. Same can be done with oil rig crews and refinery workers over time.
If the government went to the large petroleum companies and said "We have a trillion dollars to invest in your business but you need to do this", then they would look at other means of producing their income besides petroleum. Like someone said above, its the stockholders. In the long run the stockholder doesn't care if the energy comes from fossil fuels or a solar bank as long as the dividend check arrives on time and their investment increases.
The main problem here is that the people in charge are so closed minded about current profits that they are not looking long term. The oil industry is not going to be a trillion dollar a year industry forever so these people should be looking to alternative income sources to replace that if they truly want to keep their stockholders happy. I know that BP gets knocked a lot and they aren't the most environmentally friendly company but they do have their feet wet in Solar and Wind Energy. It shows someone at that company is at least looking towards the future. Other companies should get on board as well.On It's time to stop accepting the claim that we 'can't' switch to renewable energy posted 2 years, 2 months ago 21 Responses
Allergies
For the person with Allergies, look into local bee pollen and propolis. Add them to your diet and it will reduce your allergy symptoms naturally. You may experience an increase in symptoms at the start since the pollen and propolis will contain the very allergens that cause the problems but the body can adjust naturally and deal with this over time.
Other than that, I would suggest composting your used tissues instead of flushing them. If your compost pile gets to 140 degrees naturally then great. If not, put them in boiling water and let that cool before dumping the mush on your compost pile so as not to kill beneficial bacteria and worms inside it.On Umbra on mini-dilemmas posted 2 years, 2 months ago 14 Responses
CA Public Transportation
Except for BART and some parts of the MTA, public transportation in California is a joke and a waste of money. Its an hour between buses where I live and you have to go on three different buses and travel 12 miles to visit a store 2 miles away. Of course, there is no air conditioning either so you don't ride when its over 95 degrees outside, which is pretty much between May and October. Maybe if they cancelled the funds and started from scratch it would be a more efficient system in the long term.On How green is California? posted 2 years, 2 months ago 9 Responses
Poor Girl
While it is a shock to lose a parent at such a young age, I think people are pushing this girl too far. I can understand that she wants to follow in Daddy's footsteps but to live completely in the spotlight has to be hard for anyone, especially a 9-year old. Hopefully she comes out of this well balanced enough to do real work when she is older and truly follow her fathers footsteps. It would be a shame if she cracked like so many other child celebrities.On Steve Irwin's daughter launches Bindi Wear eco-clothing line posted 2 years, 2 months ago 1 Response
GE
I heard on Thom Hartmann's radio show, and he said that the union at GE was going to publicize this, and point out that if all bulbs were CFL's that GE would shut down unionized factories in the U.S.--
Maybe the union should negotiate making GE's CFL line here in the United States. It is made in China as well.On Are you trying to buy more American-made products? posted 2 years, 3 months ago 11 Responses
Trees
I will bet that all their offsets are the purchase of 25 cents seedlings from the National Forest Service and planted. Probably 50% of these seedlings will grow to maturity and many will find themselves diseased or damaged in weather events enough to kill them within the first 10 years.On Because voluntary offsets are never, ever like indulgences posted 2 years, 3 months ago 19 Responses
Labelling
I do look for the "Made in USA" labeling but on most products its very difficult. As the article above says, it is virtually impossible to not buy foreign goods in general and from China specifically. Until we get full country of origin labeling, it will remain so. Not every product tells you where it was made or assembled so it compounds the issues. Then you have to contend with products like cars and television which may carry the "Made in USA" label but be prodominantly made of imported parts. Very difficult to handle. You can only be as diligent as the labels provided.
By the way, has anyone found in Compact Fluorescent Lightbulbs that are actually made in the United States? I haven't seen any myself. They all come from China.On Are you trying to buy more American-made products? posted 2 years, 3 months ago 11 Responses
Hmm...
While I am not Christian, this is good news. If this is what it takes to get the Followers of Christ involved than I am all for it. Hopefully the savings translates out of their churches and into their homes and workplaces as well.On An eco-emporium for the faithful posted 2 years, 3 months ago 2 Responses
Water
I don't knock water. Drink a lot of it every day. However it doesn't work right in my cereal, coffee or chai. Though I use half-and-half in my coffee and chai. Not a big fan of soy dairy alternatives as they always cause digestion problems with me.On USDA brings the enforcement hammer down on nation's largest organic dairy producer posted 2 years, 3 months ago 6 Responses
Sand Quarry akin to Strip Mines.
Kind of a juxtaposition here. To get the sand needed, they would have to destroy environments with strip mines to get the granite and other rocks out that is then crushed to sand. Or maybe we'll just scrape it off the sand dunes in the southwestern deserts. Of course it isn't as cut and dried as that. These mines already exist all over the country but there are many sides to each story and idea.
I personally thought it was an interesting concept and if there was a better solution, I would be all for it. Maybe they should go through their own landfills and pull the glass out that way. It wasn't going to be recycled in the first place so this would be a good way to do that. Though I doubt anyone would think about that.On Crushed glass may help replenish Florida beaches posted 2 years, 3 months ago 2 Responses
Over the hill
I live over the hill from you. The metropolitan sprawl has hit us as well. The local water districts are wondering if there will be enough water to put through the taps come December. They only got 60% of the water allocation requested this year. It might drop to 28% next year. Yet, the cities keep issuing permits to build new houses.
On the local energy front, SCE is fighting a war trying to get 3000 MW of wind power transmission lines built. They have 3 of several segments approved but the fourth is getting too close to people's property so they are putting up a fight. Its needed to tie in the Antelope Valley local grid though. As it is, I think we have a Luz facility sitting in the desert about halfway to Las Vegas which doesn't have transmission lines to this day.
Also on SCE's website it says they shut down their coal plant in Nevada.
http://www.sce.com/PowerandEnvironment/PowerGeneration/Mo ...
Of course they are still buying much needed electricity from somewhere and it is probably coal. I wouldn't mind a few more concentrated solar plants. It is the tranmission lines that will kill deals though. That and the fact that the desert is a fragile environment as well. Most of the Mojave is under one protective order or another.On Solar thermal power deserves more attention, due to its lower cost and relative ease of storage posted 2 years, 3 months ago 35 ResponsesNo choice...
Locally we have a choice of Aurora, Horizon or Stremicks. All have 1 cow ratings on the score card listed above. Maybe after Whole Foods gets off their post-merger butts and builds a store locally then we might have more choices. Seems all their other Southern California stores sell Clover Stornetta Farms milk. Just seems silly to drive 30 miles one way for half a gallon of milk twice a month.On USDA brings the enforcement hammer down on nation's largest organic dairy producer posted 2 years, 3 months ago 6 Responses
Comparing the type of heating.
I have never lived anywhere with biolers nor the extreme need for heating. In Southern California, I have only seen forced air heating with natural gas as the source of the heat.
I would question though that if you are looking for efficiency improvements if there are other options than a standard boiler setup. Force Air may be cost prohibitive due to duct work, air returns and such but if you have HVAC, then it can share the same ducts. Another option would be a heat pump with "geothermal" based heat exchange. Or if possible infloor radiant heat.
Just seems to be more to the overall equation than just where the power is generated and what type of boiler to purchase, at least on the efficiency front.On Umbra on replacing a boiler posted 2 years, 3 months ago 7 Responses
It really depends.
Growing grain in the prairie states would have less environmental impact than growing it in the southwestern deserts.
One thing about eating locally is people need to change their diets. Americans are used to getting food year round, in season or not. This would have to change to actually lower the impact that you make on the plent. Instead of worrying about an arbitrary distance of 100 miles, think about the consequences of your actions and the foods you buy. Instead of planning out your meals for the next week before you go shopping, purchase the food and plan from it. Just saying to buy food from 100 mile radius doesn't work. My milk comes from a dairy about 200 miles away. I also live in the California desert so the organic dairy to the north has less impact than a dairy locally. My buffalo meat however comes from a local farmer as do most of my in season fruits and vegetables. If you do have to purchase foods from a long distance (flour, rice and other grains for instance), purchase in bulk to reduce the impact.
One needs to be socially conscious of their decisions.On If buying locally isn't the answer, then what is? posted 2 years, 3 months ago 28 Responses
Local Meat
My wife and I have had a friend grow a pig for us for the last five years. They grow it and then it gets shipped to the meat processor/butcher to be processed and smoked if appropriate. We then pick it up when it is ready. For use it is a lot cheaper and the meat tastes better. Added on to this, we know the animal was raised in a humane way with plenty of area to grow in. The reason we started is that they had grown pigs for a while because their children were in 4H. However when the kids left 4H, they still wanted to raise a pig a year for themselves. Pigs are social creatures and a solitary animal doesn't do as well. So they suggested we buy the second pig.
We also get local chicken, turkey and rabbit when available. We had looked into raising a steer but it was more meat than we could handle and wasn't really viable. Instead we have recently switched to locally grown bison as it is healthier than beef and more readily available from a small local farmer.On Umbra on sustainable meat posted 2 years, 3 months ago 32 Responses
Construction costs
What would be the construction costs for this nation of subways? What would be the atmospheric impact of that construction. It really isn't a solution. Many areas in this country don't even have adequate bus services and busses do not need additional infrastructure. Give me electric busses that can get me around a city for 1 kWh per trip and I might be interested in a national program.
However this is good for New York City. But if there are 4.1 million trips daily, that means 2/3rds to 3/4ths of the city population are getting around by other means. All depending on how many trips a person makes on average per day.On Subways are the best posted 2 years, 3 months ago 13 Responses
Plant trees for their other benefits.
I would be foolish to think that the three trees that I want to plant would make any kind of dent in global warming. However, I will enjoy the apples, plums and pomegranates they will provide.On They're not going to save us posted 2 years, 3 months ago 11 Responses
Prices need to come down.
Some of these prices are nice but the prices are why they will remain niche products. Most of them cost a lot more than I would consider paying for them. The number one thing I hear in complaints from people I talk to is the high price of green goods.On 15 Green Fashion Finds posted 2 years, 3 months ago 10 Responses
First Dates
Steak would have been a hard thing to handle during my first date with my wife. It was a Lynnard Skynnard and Styx concert.
I think that a woman who is engaging and fun to be around is more important than what is on her plate that night.On NYT dating advice: Eat more flesh posted 2 years, 3 months ago 24 Responses
Summer Squash
You can blanch squash and then freeze it for later in the year when it isn't available. Less nutritious than fresh but better than canning.On Umbra on prioritizing organic purchases posted 2 years, 3 months ago 10 Responses
Farmer's Markets
Look in your area to see if there are any Farmer's Markets, CSAs or Co-ops. You can do this at localharvest.org.
Talk to these small producers about their farming methods. Go to their farms and check up on things as well. Often times they will be pesticide and herbicide feed but not able to use the organic label due to costs. Their products will often be less expensive than those in local supermarkets or whole foods stores as well. They enable you to get more bang for your buck.
If you're worried about human rights, then look for fairtrade certified items. They are required to be low pesticide or organic items as well as providing a decent wage to the workers. You will find this most often found with things like chocolate, coffee and tea. Other products can be certified fairtrade as well though. It will be more expensive but you're money is feeding families not business profits.On Umbra on prioritizing organic purchases posted 2 years, 3 months ago 10 Responses
The problem is...
Most people won't make changes that negatively impact their current lifestyle. If they feel they have to cut back then they won't change. Until perceptions are changed it will be tough. Bringing more efficient products to the market and increasing utility efficiency will be the strongest incentives outside of niche markets.
Every year in Southern California, they run a series of news stories when the gasoline prices go up. They all say the same thing, only the price is different. They say when gas prices reach XX amount, people will take to public transportation. It doesn't happen. When they started running the stories, the price was $2.00 a gallon. Now its up to $4.00 per gallon being the breaking point. However it won't happen because public transportation in Southern California is terrible and it is terribly inconvenient. No one wants 3-4 hour commutes and 15 hour days.
It can be applied to everything. Appliances, cars, lightbulbs. People won't get smaller refrigerators because its inconvenient. They won't get smaller cars because its inconvenient. And so forth. Though I expect Hybrid sales to take off next year when GM introduces its hybrid SUVs. Not small SUVs but the Tahoe, Escalade and probably even the Hummer. The hybrid drive will allow them to get 20 miles to the gallon instead of 12. Even Paris Hilton wants one of these new hybrids. Surprised Grist didn't pick up on that.
It isn't the appliances fault. It is the user and always trying to get something for as little as possible. 60 years of spending and disposable breeding isn't going to disappear overnight. There is a lot of work ahead.On The WSJ asks and answers posted 2 years, 3 months ago 19 Responses
Testing Water
The New York city water supply was just tested. There were articles in the newspapers about it because the city was worried it would have to invest hundreds of millions in filtering and pumping stations when it never had to before. The EPA passed the water supply with flying colors. Its one of the things that spurred the current campaign in the city against tap water.
While not necessarily perfect, tap water is one of the most tested and regulated commodities in the United States. If you have problems, contact the EPA and have them test your local water.On Water, that is posted 2 years, 3 months ago 11 Responses
I agree with this.
I happen to live in one of the California desert foothill communities and while I am willing to divert my water usage from lawn to the vegetable gardening, I would be foolish to think I could grow the corn and other grains I need for a healthy diet. Instead bulk purchases are better for this. On the other hand it doesn't make sense for me to purchase organic dairy from Colorado (e.g. Horizon Farms) when there are many organic dairies within the state and a few hundred miles of where I live.
For foods I enjoy that get imported from further distances like Bananas, coffee, tea and chocolate. I always buy organic fair-trade items.
It requires thought. Something many people really don't want to do. They want black and white with easy clear cut decisions instead of having to think about each thing they purchase.On Think again posted 2 years, 3 months ago 29 Responses
Salt Intake
I believe we get all the chemical salt we need from our regular food. Table salt does enhance the flavor of the food. MSG and a little sugar will have the same effect. All three allow the taste buds to pick up the flavors better. By itself, I don't think that table salt has any dietary benefit. Millions of people can't use table salt for health reasons.
The only reason we think we need salt in our diet is the government has mandated that iodine be added to counteract deficiencies of this chemical in a modern processed food diet. Lack of iodine leads to thyroid problems and other related illnesses. Of course too much Iodine leads to the same problems
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002421.ht ...
I personally have not added table salt to my food for over 15 years now and make sure I eat foods with good levels of iodine.On Umbra on salt posted 2 years, 3 months ago 5 Responses
Mass brands
The references about bottled water being the same quality as tap water is refering to the mass marketed brands such as Crystal Geyser, Sparkletts, Aquafina, and Dasini. In fact all four brands listed above are nothing more than filtered tap water. Well, my tap water tastes better than the Crystal Geyser stuff packaged. Though it appears that San Pelligrino is available in glass bottles which are better for recycling purposes than plastic bottles are.On Water, that is posted 2 years, 3 months ago 11 Responses
Less than 18 months.
Really, "King" George's reign is almost over. Studies like this would be of more benefit to those who will be taking up the challenge of correcting the last eight years and moving the United States forward instead of worrying about a lame duck presidency now.On Now that's a 12-step program posted 2 years, 4 months ago 7 Responses
8 Pig Farms
Washington has 8 Pig Farms. Click on the tabs at the bottom to see your other numbers.
27 Beef Farms
136 Dairies
24 Chicken
9 Egg Farms.Iowa seems to have everyone beat for pig farms though.On How many are there in your state? posted 2 years, 4 months ago 3 Responses
breakwaters
It would seem to me that systems like LIMPET could be installed along the breakwaters of our port cities. These are normally manmade structures with little aesthetic or recreational value. The only drawback, albeit a major one, is they tend to become home to seals and sea lions who like to play in the waves. However with creative thinking, it should be possible to turn these walls of rock and broken concrete into power generators.
It seems a shame that no one in North America is moving along these lines.On Umbra on wave power posted 2 years, 4 months ago 4 Responses
Cleaning Bird Baths
They need to be cleaned regularly to keep down mosquito populations and the diseases those pests carry. Traditionally this would be done by running water and fish but your bird bath lacks both of those options. Cleaning is seen as cheaper and better for the environment than using anti-mosquito disks that contain bacteria that attack the pests.On Umbra on feeding birds posted 2 years, 4 months ago 19 Responses
Sounds like a B movie.
I can't help but remembering some 'B' movie a while back where scientists solved our energy problems with a biogenetic organism designed to produce oil. Unfortunately, in the movie, the organism mutated into something that ate petroleum byproducts and subsequently caused society to collapse once accidently introduced into the wild.
What's to make sure that life doesn't imitate art here? The better course I believe would be to reduce consumption but I also understand that the average Joe doesn't care until it severely impacts his lifestyle.On New company says it can make better, cheaper biofuels posted 2 years, 4 months ago 40 Responses
LCDs use less to start with.
LCDs still provide a savings over CRT in general use as they use less electricity to begin with.
http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=monitors.lcdOn Back(ground) in black posted 2 years, 4 months ago 8 Responses
Native Plants
If you plant flora that is native to your area then you can provide food for native birds and insects without resorting to as much birdfeed. Also you can provide ponds in your yard with fish to control mosquitos instead of birdbaths. If you have moving water and shallow creek like areas for the birds to frolic in, you can provide much enjoyment in your home while controlling mosquitos.
You can even have your yard certified as a wildlife habitat. For ideas, finding native plants for your area and certification check out:
http://www.nwf.org/backyard/On Umbra on feeding birds posted 2 years, 4 months ago 19 Responsesjust to add
I should add we rarely shop at the Walmart or the Food-4-Less. Food-4-Less is always filthy and their produce is beyond ripe. The Walmart Supercenter just opened a week ago and it seems to be heading the same way. Well at least Walmart seems to be clean in the morning, just not after customers start visiting.
The nearest whole foods store (the only one in town actually), is 4 miles away. On Calculate how walkable your home is posted 2 years, 4 months ago 12 Responses
It seems a little off but a good start.
I saw this the other day and was surprised that my location got a 57 and not so surprised my ex-wife's got a 6.
Where I live, there is local shopping, even if it is not desireable. For groceries we have Wal-Mart Supercenter, a Food-4-Less (owned by Kroger's), a 99-cent store within a third of a mile. There are two movie theaters within half a mile. We also have a myriad of fast food from chinese buffets to your regular drive-throughs. We also have three stripmalls with smaller shops and some traditional restaruants in the same distance.
However, its 3 miles to the library and further to any park. Across the street it is bare soil that at one time was going to be a shopping district and more houses but those projects went bankrupt during the last real-estate bubble burst. We do have a city baseball stadium about half a mile away for the local minor league baseball team. However even though the city lists it as a park, it isnt.
What is interesting is my parents choose to live in a "recovering neighborhood" in the same city where new people are moving in and pushing crime out. The place is scary and there is always the sound of arguments with police cars constantly patrolling and helicopters overhead. However they got a 70, even though the walk-able stores include a 7-11 and a furniture store. They are closer to the library, performance city and the downtown boulevard (which the city designates as a museum) at only a mile away. Their nearest grocery store is well over two miles from their house though.On Calculate how walkable your home is posted 2 years, 4 months ago 12 Responses
Left behind
One reason I think Tidal power is getting left behind is it doesn't lend itself to a distributed generation system which seems to be where things will be heading in the future. Instead of one large generation facility, we will have smaller ones like the solar projects at Google and proposed by Walmart. Almost anyone can deploy solar and many can deploy wind. Very few have access to tidal.
The public tends to get excited about solutions that they can see or envision themselves implementing. Tidal doesn't fit into either of these. Without the public to drive the keywords, very little of the media will follow.On Umbra on tidal power posted 2 years, 4 months ago 2 Responses
A new combo is needed.
Technology improvements will bring greater efficiency over time but we need to bring efficiency to our habits as well. We have spent the last 60 years in the United States building suburbia and the disposable lifestyle. Those habits need to change if we are going to move forward. This is the only way to provide any sort of stopgap until technology catches up.
I do think though that instead of x-prizes, or maybe alongside them, business should be rewarded for truly innovative products that are energy efficient and go beyond the standards. If the MPG standard is 35 miles/gallon and GM builds a 70 mile/gallon vehicle then they should get tax subsidies/credits. It would be a new way of distributing the subsidies and credits available already. A utility may get them as they hit certain milestones- 50% renewable, 75% renewable, etc...
However more than just technology has to change. There is the technology to live a lot more efficiently than we do but people don't use it. We need to start. If habits change and the technology changes efficiency and power generation, we could be truly carbon neutral in 2100. Probably a pipe dream, I know but really humans are ingenious when we actually try.On For reducing the climate crisis posted 2 years, 4 months ago 39 Responses
Wind Farms
I live near one of the largest Wind Farms in California. It is located on the Tehachapi mountains. The farm has the capability of generating a lot of electricity, something like 3,000 MW a year but current it isn't being used to its full capacity. First there is a total of 1400 MW generating capacity that isn't hooked into the grid. Southern California Edison is getting approval for the last 4 segments of a 7 segment transmissions system. Secondly, most of the windmills sit idle and braked due to a federal policy that any damage on the windmill requires it to be shut down until fixed. The company running the farms only schedules maintenance every 6 months. So if the windmill is damaged the day after its scheduled maintenance it sits for 6 months. And this is because the electricity doesn't go anywhere for the lack of transmission lines.
It makes me wonder how many other projects languish like this because of poor planning, community protests and politics. "Not In My BackYard" (NIMBY) probably kills more projects than anything else.On They exist posted 2 years, 4 months ago 2 Responses
Trip Reduction
Not everyone with a large refrigerator and a freezer lives within walking distance of local markets.
My "local" quality food venues are Trader Joe's (10 miles away), some small selections at Albertson's (3 miles away) and a small market (3 miles away). The market is closest but it is two miles away. With 100° temperatures in the summer and an hour or more wait between urine-scented buses, there isn't much choice here. I'd have to take 2 buses to get to the store and 2 more back for a cost of about $3. It is impractical to get to these places more than once a week. Often its twice a month that we do our shopping for a family of 5. I could walk the hour or so each way but wouldn't be able to get anything that needed to be kept refrigerated. I am physically unable to ride a bicycle and while I do walk when I can it is often excruciatingly painful. The nearest store is a Walmart Supercenter, and yes if absolutely necessary then I will walk and shop there but prefer not to.
Not everyone lives in a large city with every amenity around the corner to make a smaller fridge worthwhile. Instead I go for the most efficient models that I can, reduce my usage in other ways like leaving the AC off all day, working from home, changing lightbulbs, driving a small but efficient car as little as possible and so forth. On Umbra on refrigerator downsizing posted 2 years, 4 months ago 34 Responses
Limited Choice.
Many areas don't have options for co-ops, Whole Foods or Wild Oats. In my area the choice for organics include Trader Joe's, a single locally owned store with limited selection and the almost non-existent organic selections at mega-stores like Albertson's and Wal-mart.
We used to have a thriving agricultural market in the region but it has dwindled down to a few orchards (peaches, apricots, plums, cherries and apples, and almonds) scattered about the region. The rest of the regional agriculture is now devoted to alfalfa or agribusiness growing onions, potatoes and carrots. 10s of thousands of acres of onions, potatoes, and carrots.
It is rumored that Whole Foods will be opening up a store in a nearby city. I am sure they will be welcomed with open arms by people looking for more organic choices locally.On Why the FTC is right to block Whole Foods' buyout of Wild Oats posted 2 years, 4 months ago 28 Responses
hmmmm...
I thought it would be higher. I always added 40% on to my calculations for gasoline as well 80-90% for consumer products and food. All due to the lifecycle of the product from manufacture to distribution to recycling.On Why bicycling is 25 percent better than you thought posted 2 years, 4 months ago 8 Responses
Doubtful Solution
Those people who are already pinching pennies may take advantage of this but chances are they don't have Onstar subscriptions now and won't be purchasing them with their new car in the future.
Most people won't get out and walk because its too hot, cold, wet or sunny. There may be a few rate discounts but if the spectre of $4.00 a gallon gasoline doesn't prompt people to drive less than a few dollars off their insurance every month isn't going to.
Call me a skeptic but I doubt this will have any noticeable impact. Maybe a rate reduction for driving hybrid vehicles would be more incentive.On A car company takes a step in the right direction -- and it's GM! posted 2 years, 4 months ago 1 Response
Why buy it then?
Really, if those 5.4 million subscribers really cared about the environment they would complain and make the magazine change its ways. Really, one can speak with their pocketbook by cancelling their subscriptions. I have three decades of the magazine on CD-ROM and don't purchase the magazine. I can read what I want from their website for free and purchase archive versions on CD when it is made available. We can argue which is better, three decades of virgin paper for reference or the CDs but I will take my chances with the CDs.
And I don't have to deal with advertising cards, inserts or petroleum ads.On Shell and Nat Geo team up to create 5.4 million pieces of trash posted 2 years, 4 months ago 9 Responses
Interesting Concept.
Only downfall that I see for it is that it is based on Linux. Sure Open Office is mostly compatible with Microsoft Office but not fully. My son is required to have Microsoft Office (including OneNote) for his classes. Nor can it run most games available these days. Then storage is an issue. 4GB isn't much these days so you will need to buy external storage, probably in a hard drive to store more than a couple days worth of work or photos from a recent trip. Even the iPods you can hook it up to store more information and you're required to keep a copy of each song on your PC.
Really interesting concept and I might actually get one to serve in additional locations in my home network but I can't really see it replacing the existing PCs in the household at this time.
I would rather support the Climate Savers initiative.
http://www.climatesaverscomputing.org/On Hard to say, but Zonbu has clearly done its homework posted 2 years, 4 months ago 20 Responses
Handling CFL Breaks
Here is a page the EPA provides on household mercury cleanup linked to the section for CFL cleanup:
http://www.epa.gov/mercury/spills/index.htm#flourescentOn Umbra on mercury in CFLs posted 2 years, 4 months ago 17 ResponsesCFL Problems listed above.
Most of those problems relate to older bulbs. I certainly use CFLs on timers. I use them outside without problems. You can get them with bug-lite yellow coatings. You can even use some newer models on dimmers and motion switches. If you are getting a humming noise, then your bulb isn't getting the electricity it needs in a proper flow.
CFLs produce light through plasma which needs a direct energy flow. This is opposite of your incandescent bulbs. CFLs use an electronic ballast to regulate energy flow. This is what causes the buzzing if not powered correctly. Older models had big problems with this. Newer ones do not. Newer models come in all sizes and shapes and light output varieties. The ones in my garage are the equivalent of 100 watt incandescent bulbs and give off great light.
Check out: http://www.energyfederation.org/consumer/default.php/cPat ...
There you can buy CFLs that are colored, give a "daylight" glow, are dimmable, suitable for three-way fixtures, outdoors, and for any fixture. Most home centers and discount stores only carry the bare minimum selection of these bulbs.On Umbra on mercury in CFLs posted 2 years, 4 months ago 17 Responses
MTA is a joke.
The MTA is a failure in Southern California. It actually encourages people to drive over public transportation. Some places have to wait an hour or more between buses. Trains are few and far between. As a public transportation system it fails miserably compared to BART or East Coast systems. The entire existing system needs to be rebuilt from the ground up to make public transportaion in the nations second largest city viable and attractive for the 10 million people in the metropolis. Taking the bus or train shouldn't be a hassle and it shouldn't cost more per month than maintaining a personal vehicle.
Particularly the bus systems need better routes, reliability and cost reductions to get people riding them. I remember commuting by bus in the past with 20-30 people on the bus while the freeway was packed. 50,000 people commute to Los Angeles from my area every day. There are about 2,000 seats on the 5 trains that service the area and probably the same on the commuter buses. The majority of the rest are single passenger drivers.On A perspective from Eric Mann posted 2 years, 4 months ago 29 Responses
Organic Prices
I forget to address the part of organic prices.
Organics cost more because they are seen as "gourmet" or high-class. Right now the term organic is a chic and hip term. This again will increase prices. This same idea is applied to cars. Toyota can build 100,000 cars in a plant. Some of these become Camrys and some get a Lexus label. The Lexus is perceived as a higher quality car. Maybe it has more options or a better trim package but underneath it is still a Camry. Yet, you pay 20-30% more at least over the life of the car. Because of the name.
Same with organics. If you go to a Farmer's Market, then you can find vegetables grown without chemicals for much less than the organic labels in the supermarket. They are essentially the same thing. Just the local farmer can't pay the government for the right to use the term organic. Then again, if you look around you can find the organic label on fruits and vegetables that are cheaper than your local supermarket. I buy mine at a local family owned grocery store. Not only are they better quality and more local (e.g. California and not Kansas) but they are cheaper. Local Grocer has a smaller store than the supermarket (10,000 sq. ft. vs 50,000 sq. ft) and fewer employees (25 vs 200) and therefore much less overhead. They pay more for the product because they don't buy in as large of quantities but they have savings elsewhere.On A new study puts the old canard to rest posted 2 years, 4 months ago 50 Responses
Why farmers don't grow more.
For the most part, the public could care less how their food is produced. Farmers are the ones trying to maximize their profit and I am finding it hard to believe that they have overlooked organic farming as a way to triple their incomes. And somebody explain to me why organic food is so expensive?
In the United States farmers are often paid not to grow crops. This keeps the rest of the market artificially high. This is one of the reasons why food manufacturers put corn syrup in everything. It is cheaper than sugar because of the sugar subsidies paid to keep prices artificially high in this country. If you go to Mexico, you will find that Coca-Cola uses sugar as a sweetener, not corn syrup. Sugar costs 1/5 there as it does in the United States.
In other areas, farmers get paid more these days to divert their crops to non-food resources such as ethanol creation. They get paid more for growing corn for ethanol than for the table. However if they grow three times as much, the supply will increase and prices will actually go down. This happens for 2 reasons. 1) greater supply will always lower prices and 2) they will lose their subsidies. Equating more supply with more money and profit doesn't always work. The economy works by limiting supply to reasonable amounts through tariffs and subsidies, not by allowing unlimited supply onto the market.On A new study puts the old canard to rest posted 2 years, 4 months ago 50 Responses
Book Stores
The local landscape would determine where you buy as well. I live in a twin-city area of about 300,000 people in Southern California. Los Angeles is 45 miles southwest of my area but I really don't like going there. In my twin-city area, we have 2 bookstores. A Barnes & Noble about 10 miles away and a Waldenbooks (owned by borders) about 3 miles away. Occasionally someone opens a used bookstore but they rarely last and usually only contain romance novels. Almost anytime, I want to get a book it has to be ordered off a website and shipped. Waldensbooks and Barnes and Noble with do this for you or I can do it at home. Our local governments seem to love big boxes though. We have 4 super Walmarts and a 5th is being built. Doubles and Triplicates of any chain out there in the area as well. Just no bookstores.
Sometimes I miss commuting to Glendale for work because along the main street there are a dozen bookstores with everything one could want.On Umbra on online shopping posted 2 years, 4 months ago 22 Responses
bottle bill in California
The bill in California does not focus on returning containers to retailers and distributors but is more focused on recycling those containers. It is a slightly different beast. They didn't want to implement the infrastructure to reuse but to recycle. Personally, I try to recycle everything. My bin is green but I still fill it every week.
Locally, the city of Lancaster just implemented a mandatory business recycling program. They used to charge business a monthly fee to participate in recycling and the participation was low. Imagine that. Now it is free and mandatory so we will see how it goes.
I also have to say thanks for the link on Creamery above. My wife and I have been looking for a dairy with glass bottle recycling and is more local to our location. A local store is listed as selling your products so we will check it out.
On Umbra on returnable bottles posted 2 years, 4 months ago 10 Responses