Comments zacaroni has made
Biofuel
HEMP.On Billionaire Branson regrets mindless biofuel support posted 1 year, 9 months ago 22 Responses
bust a cap or trade it
"We'll tell you at what rate you can dispense death."
-William McDonough, wisely noting what truly happens when the government regulates pollution.
Isn't it outrageous that we even have to set limits on something so atrocious? It's like saying: "Genocide is wrong, so we're going to limit the number of citizens a dictator can murder to 10,000." On A second opportunity to make climate pricing fair posted 1 year, 9 months ago 5 Responses
Hey all
Thanks for the resources.
If we can make it so that there's no reason to justify having such a ridiculous military (by making peace with other nations, trading intelligently, and adopting a non-interventionist foreign policy) then military consumption will naturally decrease, and funds can be spent elsewhere. Diplomacy and quality foreign policy really are green issues, in that sense.
To Tasermons: I would have to agree with Jon Rynn on this one and say that the resources used/abused to build tools of destruction are much greater than the number of people who end up not consuming as a result of war - but it was a good question. I would also point out that most war casualties occur within poor populations, which wouldn't be consuming a vast amount of resources anyway.On Between Iraq and a hard place posted 1 year, 10 months ago 23 Responses
discuss!
Why are we screwing in CF bulbs to save the planet when our own government is subsidizing an industry that spends billions of dollars manufacturing pure destruction? Think of the energy it takes to make a single missile. Now think of how the construction of that missile renders your actions with measly light bulbs virtually meaningless.
For those who have their doubts about the military industrial complex's involvement in issues of foreign policy, just read the recent news:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1807 ...
On Martial Flaw posted 1 year, 10 months ago 1 ResponseI think we should revive this conversation
Why are we screwing in CF bulbs to save the planet when our own government is subsidizing an industry that spends billions of dollars manufacturing pure destruction? Think of the energy it takes to make a single missile. Now think of how the construction of that missile renders your actions with measly light bulbs virtually meaningless.
For those who have their doubts about the military industrial complex's involvement in issues of foreign policy, just read the recent news:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1807 ...
-blackwater still raking in the dough (check)
-no sign of an end to military activity (check)
-weapons manufacturers still funding think tanks (check)
-government continues to use scare tactics to garner support for military spending (check)
-country run by individuals linked to weapons manufacturing (check)
-$20 billion arms deals with other countries (check)On Between Iraq and a hard place posted 1 year, 10 months ago 23 ResponsesMiles and Mennonites
Most of my congregation rides bike to church. And my church meets at night so that it can use the building of another church in town, which saves on the impact of making our own building, and allows us to donate the surplus funds to local habitat conservation. Too bad not all Mennonite churches are so thoughtful!
On discretionary travel: why not blame time, too? The religion of time has brought us to this mess! Time is abundant, not limited. We talk of time like it is a commodity - as though biking to Texas instead of flying is a waste of time. We could do everything-as-much-as-possible-as-fast-as-we-can. But why should we?
And for Thom: I live 2 hours from Chicago, and would take the bus to come see Radiohead play - if I could get tickets. Perhaps I would justify the travel by offsetting...On Radiohead's Thom Yorke on carbon-heavy touring posted 1 year, 10 months ago 8 Responses
Corn
Monocrop for a monoculture.On Seed-and-chemical giant sees its profit triple posted 1 year, 10 months ago 9 Responses
another note
I don't think simple reduction of our consumption is a feasible solution, either. Being less bad is not the same as being good. We cannot stick a band-aid on this issue. We need to focus our efforts on a core solution like family planning and education. This is going to have to be voluntary in order to be ethical, but volunteer efforts have changed the world in the past, so, why not?
And, any changes made now will not be visibly noticeable until a few generations down the road. So we really need to focus on the big picture, here.
That we're talking about it is a good first step. Let's continue to do so.On Is it only OK to talk about limiting population after it's too late? posted 1 year, 11 months ago 117 Responses
to death
everyone is horrified at even considering population growth an issue.
we're going to ignore this issue out of existence by way of of pure discomfort until the living standard finally works its way lower than we ever imagined. then we all die.On Is it only OK to talk about limiting population after it's too late? posted 1 year, 11 months ago 117 Responses
Thanks, Adbusters, but...
Everyone will just postpone buying until a day later... Where's the real action?On Celebrate Buy Nothing Day on Friday; no purchase necessary posted 2 years ago 2 Responses
The best of Grist
Mr. McKibben, your assessment is nonpareil. Thank you.On Are you brave enough to say no to a high-stress holiday? posted 2 years ago 51 Responses
Hear, Hear! Greta!
I'm no vegetarian, PETA nut, or global warming fanatic, but, let's face it: the vast majority of meat production/consumption cannot be called green.
Also: WFO, WFC, SMO, SMC? How about FMO or FMC (farmer's market)? Or even W (wild)?
Variability aside, I'd much rather see an investigation of the costs of buying locally - or growing/hunting your own. My friends and I are having an organic local feast for Thanksgiving (sans turkey - though here in WI, we could get a wild local one if we wanted to!). I am willing to bet that the cost of our T-Day feast will be far less in both monetary terms and environmental terms than that of an organic Whole Foods sponsored feast.On In which we attempt to calculate how much an organic feast would cost posted 2 years ago 9 Responses
Water Bill Veto Override
Isn't anyone going to cover this story about Congress overriding Bush's veto of the $20 Billion water project - some of which deals in wetland renewal? Come on, Grist! Get on it!
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1614 ...On Domenici tries to kill the energy bill and sneak nuclear loan guarantees into the farm bill posted 2 years ago 3 Responses
animals
This is ridiculous. Stop whimpering about your precious cats. I'm so sick of pets' rights fanatics. Why not go protest the senseless murder of termites, or cockroaches?
- Re: "cats kill invasive species." Cats are an invasive species. How do you define invasive species? How are WE not an invasive species?
- Cats are a species favored by humans. Like corn, the species owes its survival to us, and only us.
- Might a population boom in mice have more to do with invasive humans than lack of cats?
- I reserve the right to shoot my neighbor's cat if it kills an animal in my yard. I don't even feel that I have to back that up. I have no respect for domesticated animals.
- Re: "cats kill invasive species." Cats are an invasive species. How do you define invasive species? How are WE not an invasive species?
Recycling is NOT GREEN!
"Teacher, teacher! What's the best way to save the Earth?"
"I'm glad you asked Timmy! The best way to save the Earth is to SHIP plastics and metals to a special location and MELT them at high temperatures (using tons and tons of coal), and pour what's left over into the water system! Then the new materials can be used to make inferior products that nobody wants!"
"But that doesn't save the Earth!"
"That's the point of recycling, Timmy! It's to keep people from actually saving the earth by relieving their guilt. Then, they can keep on purchasing plastic and metal without feeling bad, and industry can keep its costs down! Isn't our industrial system ingenious?!"On 7 items you didn't know you could recycle posted 2 years ago 5 Responses
Recycling is a waste
"Teacher, teacher! What's the best way to save the Earth?"
"I'm glad you asked Timmy! The best way to save the Earth is to SHIP plastics and metals to a special location and MELT them at high temperatures (using tons and tons of coal), and pour what's left over into the water system! Then you can use the new materials to make inferior products that nobody wants!"
"But that doesn't save the Earth!"
"That's the point of recycling, Timmy! It's to keep people from actually saving the earth by relieving their guilt. Then, they can keep on purchasing plastic and metal without feeling bad!"On How to recycle athletic shoes, iPods, mattresses, and other oddities posted 2 years ago 7 Responses
it depends on PR
A stunt like this sends the right message: that Gore is willing to do more than just talk - but get his hands dirty - in the fight against global warming. Coal is public health enemy #1, and it's about time the press covered it.
Also, I'm ready for civil disobedience to leave the realm of "hippies" and be adopted by more respected individuals. Gore will need a good media campaign, though, and maybe some high-profile fellow protesters to keep the media from saying he's gone crazy. On Should Gore get arrested protesting coal? posted 2 years, 1 month ago 4 Responses
recycling pollutes!
This is indeed an issue of poor education: most people still buy into the myth that recycling is an environmentally friendly practice, when it's actually quite destructive. People seem to have forgotten that "reduce" and "reuse" are the first two steps in the three r's, and that recycling comes last, as a last resort. There's nothing "green" about shipping large amounts of material across the country so that it can be put into a hazardous chemical process that pollutes air and water systems, and remade into an inferior product that nobody buys - not even environmentalists!
And, to twist the knife, those that need to be educated first are: YOU! Readers of Grist! Environmentalists! We need to have a serious conversation, here on Grist, about the myth of recycling, and the importance of moving away from the flawed principles of the industrial revolution. We need a cradle to cradle design system. Anyone want to start the conversation? Anyone?
On Poll: Americans deeply, perhaps irredeemably, confused posted 2 years, 1 month ago 10 ResponsesGood and Bad
As a green libertarian, I find Ron Paul to be very attractive, though part of me cringes at his acceptance of coal and nuclear. I'm libertarian, but not as zealously free-market as Ron Paul. An ideal pairing would put Ron Paul as the vice president to someone like Edwards. Or even Ron Paul and Kucinich would make a nice match - perhaps balance each other out!
Some mentioned and unmentioned benefits and detriments of Paul's proposals:
-Drug war ends; industrial hemp boosts production of environmentally sound products like hemp biofuels, hemp plastics, hemp clothing; marijuana production boosts economy and revives farming from death by corn
-Military operations are cut significantly; fossil fuel use cut considerably
-Separation of big government and big industry creates a fairer markeplace for competitors with oil, corn, plastics, cotton, coal, etc, by not giving them subsidies
-National Parks and Public Lands would have to be somehow safeguarded from the abuses of private entities
-Officially recognizing pollution as an attack on the property/health of another may result in more stringent laws; China's pollution, which migrates over the Pacific to California, would be seen as an international attack on American propertyOn An interview with Ron Paul about his presidential platform on energy and the environment posted 2 years, 1 month ago 55 Responses
Tancredo
Need I remind readers that Tancredo actually suggested we Bomb Mecca and Medina? There's nothing green about that!!! There's nothing sensible about that!!! This man is a fascist.On An interview with Tom Tancredo about his presidential platform on energy and the environment posted 2 years, 1 month ago 7 Responses
ps
The only thing green about Obama is the cash in his pocket.On The full text of Obama's energy remarks posted 2 years, 1 month ago 4 Responses
for Barack
We live in times that quench our luxuries,
Our energy comes cheap, and with effect:
The vicious stain of cancer, Mercury-
What changes do we crave, what man elect?Obama, perched with confidence and care,
His trusting public, open ears and eyes,
Said this is how to save our earth, our air
Our water, weather, all that we should prize:We'll cut some corners! This will save our earth!
Instead of being better, we'll just trim
Our badness, as we trim our lawns. This plan
Will solve impending crisis, oh so grim.But thoughts like these, employed by coal and corn,
Save not our heritage, save not our health.
They underestimate our skill and pluck,
Encourage only temporary wealth.If Maglev trains connect us state to state,
Or hemp in fields rise higher than the maize,
It will not be by you we reach such fate.
These dreams have settled farthest from your gaze.On The full text of Obama's energy remarks posted 2 years, 1 month ago 4 ResponsesObama's business plan
Focus on efficiency? There's nothing inherently "good" about being efficient. Why are we cutting corners when we could be eliminating problems at the core? I'm not talking about sweeping, extreme changes, I'm talking about things that we would have started doing years ago if business hadn't stuffed a wad of cash in the mouth of government: developing a nationwide railroad, cutting reliance on coal, signing Kyoto, ending oil subsidies, planting something other than corn, etc.
Coal and corn are this man's interests. Obama is only implementing strategies that will allow these industries to continue taking from the future for the sake of a luxurious present. It will be old fashioned industrial practices with a new coat of paint.
How does Obama define green tech? He defines it as coal with a filter. But let's face it: in 19 states it's unsafe to eat fish because of mercury contamination due to coal. Asthma, multiple-chemical sensitivity, and cancer are epidemic - ask any health care professional living in the coal belt. And we call this green? (Don't even get me started on the VAST expanse of subsidized, barely-profitable, overproduced monoculture that is industrial corn farming in the midwest! Apparently this passes for green tech, too!)
There's no such thing as clean coal.
EVERYONE! SAY IT WITH ME, NOW!
There's no such thing as clean coal!
There's no such thing as clean coal!
There's no such thing as clean coal!How about this one, for Obama:
Ring around the rosie
A pocketful of coal, see?
Ashes, Ashes
We all fall down!There's nothing "ambitious" about these policies, and there's nothing green about Barack Obama. On Thoughts and reactions on Obama's bold new energy proposal posted 2 years, 1 month ago 21 Responses
on the survey
I would be curious to explore this survey in depth. I'm concerned about both technicalities and the psychology of the survey.
Firstly: I wonder about translations. I have noticed that the three Spanish-speaking countries (not including Spain) have generally the same score. Is this cultural? Or, does it have to do with the Spanish translation of the survey? I think the latter. Note that the industrialized English-speaking countries all have similar numbers.
This could possibly explain why Germany (which I believe isn't that unconcerned with global climate change and environmental issues) seemed to be split down the middle: perhaps the word "necessary" or the word "soon" was poorly translated into the German!
Furthermore, when it comes to the psychology of a survey, consider how you would answer the following questions:
"How necessary do you think it is to address climate change?"
"How necessary do you think it is to address human rights?"
"How necessary do you think it is to address world hunger?"Get the idea? Not many people are going to say they are unconcerned with an issue like this. Few people would honestly answer "not very necessary" to the question that was posed, which makes this survey's results predictable.On Poll finds people ready for action on climate change posted 2 years, 2 months ago 9 Responses
Libertarian Ayn Rand Types
Excuse me, plum, but I am an ardent environmental activist and happen to also be a libertarian, and a [sceptical but open minded] reader of Ayn Rand. I don't like that India's results are written off simply because you think that most of them are the "type" to ignore the issue. And maybe they are. But I am not.
Environmentalism and libertarianism are not in opposition to each other, as I see it (though unfortunately, many libertarians disagree, as you seem to). I see environmental justice as a personal health issue as much as I see it as a global issue. Therefore, it is in the best interest of an individual to care about the air that they breath and the water that they drink. As my water could come from as far away as China or India, I should also care about water quality in that place. Perhaps I simply have a broader view of "home" than most libertarians: my home is the Earth, and the Earth is a mess.
(All you non-libertarians out there should use this as an example when trying to convince your libertarian friends to be environmentalists!)On Poll finds people ready for action on climate change posted 2 years, 2 months ago 9 Responses
toys
I agree that we need to recognize our own interests when it comes to buying things for our kids. My sister-in-law is constantly buying "cute" toys for her one year old son, who is happier playing with an empty water bottle. My brother-in-law's daughter has every toy imaginable (all purchased when new), but spends more time playing outside in the sandbox, or with sidewalk chalk than she does with her outrageous collection of toys. Kids have a natural desire to learn and create and play, and they don't need toys to do it.
I am amazed at the sheer amount of toys that parents will purchase for their children. Even parents who I assumed were very environmentally conscious give in to their kids when they plead for something plastic - which is just what advertisers are trying to create: a culture where children drive the toy market by influencing parents to buy the toy that is cheapest to produce.
Industry should not be blamed, however, for our materialism. The toy industry depends on parents, first and foremost.
We adults are responsible for reinforcing the rich cultural tradition of materialism in our culture, and we pass these values on to our children in ways that we don't even realize. The very traditions we practice celebrate and foster superficial materialism. Our holiday (and birthday) traditions of gift-giving reinforce the idea that we are entitled to gifts, without need or necessity - that simply by our existence we should expect to be showered with wealth. We reward kids by treating them with material gains, instead of rewarding them with appreciation and emotional support. We encourage creativity, but we measure it by "productivity" (what did you paint?) instead of "process" (how did you paint?), and in doing so, validate only acts that result in a gain of material assets.
We are encouraging our children to place importance on objects that characterize the values of the industrial revolution and modern consumerism: convenience, fashion, productivity, and cheapness. We are allowing - through our support and purchase of cheap and fashionable toys - our children to value products which have no value.
As a result, the cultural environment that our children are learning to treasure is one designed according to the specifications of marketing strategies, and not according to the values that we aught to cherish when it comes to our children: creativity, confidence, self-reliance, intelligence, health and understanding. Not only is this detrimental to the development of our younger generations by how it affects values and play, but encourages bad habits in us, the adults, who recognize the environmental and social inadequacies of the industrial mindset.
Of course, we cannot completely shelter our children from the hand of advertising, and inevitably, they will learn through their peers that certain toys are cooler than others. But we are not helpless either. We can start is by recognizing the values that we encourage through our purchasing behavior, and talk with peers and other parents about what we value in toys. As was mentioned above, we should demonstrate for other parents that we do not give in to the pressure to praise kids with cheap gifts - our children and our culture deserve better.On Can a crusade against crap toys ever succeed? posted 2 years, 2 months ago 5 Responses
Don't certify it
Efficiency is not inherently a good thing! Is an efficient Nazi a good thing?
How do we measure greenness? We shouldn't measure greenness by how many trees "were not cut down" or by how many fossil fuels "were not burned up." We should measure success not by how much we save but by how much we give.
As far as I'm concerned, building a 15,000 sq ft mansion is taking away from space that would otherwise be a 15,000 sq ft nature preserve. There's nothing "GREEN" about that.
We need to do better than being less bad; we need to be good.On Should USGBC certify a 15,000-sq.-ft. home as green? posted 2 years, 2 months ago 40 Responses
This list sucks
This list, like all of the other lists that have come up so far, sucks. It reads like an advertisement for products you find in Whole Foods. Even Whole Foods is listed!
STOP GIVING IN TO THE GREEN HYPE!
Why not give credit to the up-and-coming businesses? Why not give credit to businesses that are actually running EFFECTIVE green businesses, instead of plugging those that are flashy and well-known already? (I will give you credit for Ray Anderson, though, who deserves to be on this list.)On 15 Green Business Founders posted 2 years, 2 months ago 33 Responses
morethangreen is on the right track
You cannot have a revolution if the masses don't believe in the ethics of the change. While getting people to change their lightbulbs is not an effective solution, it does give ordinary people a very tangible step towards greater efforts, and gets them involved in these issues. Once we have people invested via small, tangible steps, we can then propose massive structural changes that will be well-received by the general public.
Being so involved in the green movement ourselves, it is easy to overlook the fact that most people haven't even stuck their toes in the pool, much less jumped in. Sweeping changes only work when the time is ripe, and a quality force is behind the transformation. We don't have that right now.
"The idea of revolution coming from outer conditions, in the industrial field or the so-called reality of economic conditions, can never lead to a revolutionary step unless the transformation of soul, mind and will power has taken place."
-Joseph BeuysOn Voluntary actions didn't get us civil rights, and they won't fix the climate posted 2 years, 2 months ago 61 Responses
Small but necessary steps
You cannot have a revolution if the masses don't believe in the ethics of the change. While getting people to change their lightbulbs is not an effective solution, it does give ordinary people a very tangible step towards greater efforts, and gets them involved in these issues. Once we have people invested via small, tangible steps, we can then propose massive structural changes that will be well-received by the general public.
Being so involved in the green movement ourselves, it is easy to overlook the fact that most people haven't even stuck their toes in the pool, much less jumped in. Sweeping changes only work when the time is ripe, and a quality force is behind the transformation. We don't have that right now.
This is an excellent discussion. Perhaps one of the most important metadiscussions that we can have.
Below is a quote by artist Joseph Beuys that I find very fitting.
"The idea of revolution coming from outer conditions, in the industrial field or the so-called reality of economic conditions, can never lead to a revolutionary step unless the transformation of soul, mind and will power has taken place." On Social scientists respond to Mike Tidwell posted 2 years, 2 months ago 39 Responses
both
Why not have both? Be the change AND mass-produce it. Both are essential for truly transforming civilization. You cannot have a revolution if the masses don't believe in the ethics of the change: trying to do so is Fascism. On Alex Steffen on individual action in context posted 2 years, 2 months ago 9 Responses
Hear, hear!
"History suggests that the ingenuity of the industry, once put in gear, responds admirably to most technological challenges."
I couldn't have put it better myself.On Judge rules against Big Auto, says states can regulate emissions from cars posted 2 years, 2 months ago 1 Response
predators
You mean like velociraptors? Or SUVs?
Funny that anyone is worried about predators when there are more incidents related to poor driving than there are attempted abductions. And, most sexual predation happens with people the child/family already knows. (For the record, I wouldn't let John Bailo anywhere near my kids, nor would I want to see him driving.)
Granted, the nicer the neighborhood, the safer it will be. However, what better incentive do you need to crack down on crime than having kids out walking the streets? If kids are out, parents might be more watchful, neighbors might get to know each other, and drivers might be more careful. Who wants to live in a world where kids can't walk in the street?
I think that this is an excellent idea. I also think schools should create spaces outdoors where kids can eat lunch outside the cafeteria walls. Getting kids outdoors is very important today, for health and mentality - and this is a great idea!
On Municipalities try to encourage students to walk to school posted 2 years, 2 months ago 8 ResponsesWilliam McDonough
William McDonough should be dominating this list. Why is everything this man does overlooked by Grist? Sorry, but you have got it all wrong. These lists are a joke! Goodbye. So long!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ1dECu5sScOn 15 Green Buildings posted 2 years, 2 months ago 12 Responses
how true
They are adding a new sidewalk along the road I bike to work on. It is completely unneeded: it will cut a diagonal from one sidewalk to another, just so people can have a more direct route than taking the road (which is quite wide, rarely used, and very safe to walk on). How much of this concrete do we need, really?
This is a hilarious little speech on the subject of such suburban tragedies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1ZeXnmDZMQOn Study shows that urban dwellings have less pavement per unit than suburban homes posted 2 years, 2 months ago 3 ResponsesDuh
It's too bad Hemp is seen as a drug and not a resource in this country. Hemp would be much more efficient as a biofuel.On A closer look at producing ethanol from poplar trees posted 2 years, 2 months ago 39 Responses
this is excellent
Hopefully businesses that are making an effort to go green (especially the companies mentioned) will begin to see coal power as an economic liability, and go after the coal industry for wasting their money!On New full-page ad makes the case against coal posted 2 years, 2 months ago 2 Responses
bull-!
Just because a college or university is making renovations doesn't make it "green." This list is poor. Consider the fact that more resources will likely be spent on "green" renovations at these so-called green colleges than on things that are actually helpful: academic curriculum, alternative energy practices, etc.
I attended a small Mennonite liberal arts college in my hometown that is probably greener than all of these colleges by virtue of being smaller. You should consider true cost accounting when calculating the so-called "greenness" of something. DUH!On 15 Green Colleges and Universities posted 2 years, 2 months ago 62 Responses
ids
don't be an assOn And don't piss off Pearl Jam posted 2 years, 3 months ago 9 Responses
MarkUK U OK?
Um, no! There's a rational and useful purpose, MarkUK: my health. And no, I don't think that my priorities are out of line for caring more about myself and my own health than the health of people that I don't know who are suffering from injustices that I'm not aware of, in some country that I don't live in, for some reason that I cannot begin to ascertain!
Are you saying I should believe otherwise? Do you, sir, care more about my health than you care about your own? If so, maybe you should be boycotting BP instead of me! Would you care about me less if you found out that I live in your "neighborhoud" (is that how they spell it in the UK?)? Tell me what you would do if they poured sludge in your water! On And don't piss off Pearl Jam posted 2 years, 3 months ago 9 Responses
BP
Since learning about the sludge dumping a few weeks ago, I've moved BP even further down on my list of gas stations to support: they have now fallen from second to fourth, behind Dutch Shell, Citgo and Sunoco. BP seems to have a vast number of hits against them, and a vast number of good things going for them at the same time. Perhaps it's just greenwashing, but this has been a step too far.
I've had enough of BP polluting areas that I hold dear: I come from northern Indiana, near the lake, and many of my friends and family eat locally in the region, drink the water, breath the air... I also have friends and family who are experiencing the negative health effects of living near a BP refinery in Ohio - an area known for its high cancer rate. I'm sure there are even bigger issues with the company, but these two hit close enough to home that I may never buy gas from them again.On And don't piss off Pearl Jam posted 2 years, 3 months ago 9 Responses
No, it *is* that simple.
The answer is yes. It is that simple. How much more blatant do the signals need to get before we see that much of this is HYPE? It's fashion. A trend.
I do think that climate change is a serious issue. However, I also think that it is turning environmentalism into a one-issue ideology, and making it very easy for the opposition to write off the entire environmental agenda in one sweeping blow. Consider the attention that is being deflected away from issues like overpopulation, food distribution and ethics, waste, chemical pollution, et caetera.
I, personally, do not believe that we can completely change course just by reducing emissions. And, whether climate change is natural or caused by us: climate change happens. It has been that way since Earth's birth. Being so fanatically defensive instead of being prepared to adapt may just be our downfall in the end.
And what will happen if the globe inevitably warms and we see the oceans rise, weather change, food become scarce, et caetera? We'll be stuck in midwest, up to our knees in waste and bad water, wishing we had done something about overpopulation, species domestication, animal/plant extinction, chemical pollution, and so forth, instead of telling people to stop traveling so much by plane.On Other enviro issues are getting less attention posted 2 years, 3 months ago 29 Responses
to amc89
Maybe you aren't looking at the right candidates... Gravel travels by rail. Kucinich is a vegetarian. And, as far as I know, the US military emits more airplane-related carbon than the US public does in normal travel - so maybe you should consider voting for a candidate who wants to reduce military spending abroad... Ron Paul. On We have what we need to beat global warming posted 2 years, 3 months ago 12 Responses
um...
sh*t!
Run away! Run away!On Sea levels may rise much faster and higher than predicted posted 2 years, 3 months ago 3 Responses
no such thing as a collective will
I object to your wording. There's no such thing as a collective will, sir, only individual will. The "will of the people" should be defined as a broad and common interest in a desired end. We cannot think, nor can we act collectively, as these actions are a process that is limited to the mind/body of an individual. That's what makes coming together as a team/group so amazing: we are a collection of separate minds and separate personalities, and we have highly diverse (and unique) motivations with numerous but extraordinary commonalities/overlap. Groups and populations do not function collectively (this implies groupthink, the stifling of new/unique ideas, even coercion) but function collaboratively. This gives credit to the ingenuity of the human mind, and allows necessary dissent within the group, thus giving more credibility to our values and aims.
So, I simply object to the phrase "collective will." Perhaps a better way to put it would be:
"The lack of means is not the problem. The problem is the lack of collaboration and motivation."On We have what we need to beat global warming posted 2 years, 3 months ago 12 Responses
Hemp
I agree with steerforth1 completely. Organic cotton is downright wasteful when you consider its environmental impact compared to that of hemp. Organic doesn't mean a thing if it's cotton: you can grow pound of hemp with half the amount of water as it would take to grow a pound of cotton, and it would be better for the soil. Were you guys paid off by big cotton? Or was it the DEA?On 15 Green Fashion Finds posted 2 years, 3 months ago 10 Responses
heaven forbid
please no!On An interview with Hillary Clinton about her presidential platform on energy and the environment posted 2 years, 3 months ago 32 Responses
depends on what you mean by save.
yes they are.On They're not going to save us posted 2 years, 3 months ago 11 Responses
William McDonough
Cradle to Cradle is still the best book out there on green techOn If you only read one book, pick this one posted 2 years, 3 months ago 10 Responses
Income tax be gone!
"I want to change our system of revenue from an income tax to a sales tax." This is friggin' excellent. It's time that the big spenders in this country be the ones who pay for our military - not the little guys. After all, isn't it the rich that our military is protecting?
Congrats to Gravel for putting these ideas on the table. I'm glad he's at least being noticed.On An interview with Mike Gravel about his presidential platform on energy and the environment posted 2 years, 3 months ago 5 Responses
Kucinich
I've had enough of corrupt politicians and policies that hinge on business interests instead of AMERICAN interests. As far as I'm concerned, the environment is a matter of health care and national security. Kucinich is a breath of fresh air!On An interview with Dennis Kucinich about his presidential platform on energy and the environment posted 2 years, 4 months ago 34 Responses
HEL-LO?!?!!
Hello! What about hemp? Or are all biofuels going to produced using slow-growing pesticide-pumped plants that could be otherwise be food? Tell me, how much arable American land (and clean water) are we going to waste for the purpose of powering America's luxury fetish, and why are we doing it with crops that already dominate the monocultural landscape???On New company says it can make better, cheaper biofuels posted 2 years, 4 months ago 40 Responses
ridiculous
This test is so dumb. Calculating a walk score based on your house's proximity to stores assumes that you shop at those stores, or that you would go there in the first place. I live within a half-mile of a hospital, a library, an elementary school, a high school, an organic co-op, a number of local restaurants, and my work. I never drive anywhere. My score was in the 60s. Explain that one!On Calculate how walkable your home is posted 2 years, 4 months ago 12 Responses
By the way...
It turns out the greenest book of all time was written by myself. It has not been published, nor will it ever be - in fact, it only exists in electronic form. By keeping it from being published, I've essentially saved an infinite amount of resources that could've been used to print and distribute it. So there. I win. Greenest book of all time.On Harry Potter is way greener than your average book posted 2 years, 4 months ago 5 Responses
HA!
Isn't it funny that "Harry Potter's Lasting Legacy" is the amount of waste/pollution/clearcutting avoided?! How silly. So HP is efficient: who cares? Reducing is not inherently good. If you're driving 100 mph toward Canada, but suddenly realize that you should be going to Mexico, it's not going to help you to slow down to 20 mph. Efficiency means nothing when HP is still responsible for the loss of a great number of trees (which should be sequestering carbon right now instead of sitting on bookshelves...).
And, how long will the books she IS printing last, and what landfills will they go to when they are at their end? How many millions of books are out there, waiting to be someday thrown away?
(By the way, I'm a Harry Potter fanatic. I'm buying the book instead of waiting for a library copy to free up, even though I don't approve of it. There. Now you can't call me a hypocrite because I just did! Expelliarmus!)On Harry Potter is way greener than your average book posted 2 years, 4 months ago 5 Responses
partisan
The environment being seen as an issue by (ahem) both parties? How about starting by pushing for a party that isn't Business Loyalist Party #1 or Business Loyalist Party #2, and get at the very least one other party involved. It doesn't even have to be the "Green Party."
More importantly, stop with all the focus on global warming! It's as if environmentalism were a one-issue ideology!!! As if global warming is the only threat to the health of the earth, and if you don't believe in it or don't see it as a crisis, you aren't a real environmentalist!
Lastly: get out the corruption. That simple. Get it out.On Who's stopping it? posted 2 years, 4 months ago 18 Responses
to wiscidea
Again, renting was the wrong word for me to use, and I suggest you read Cradle to Cradle - especially if you like Amory Lovins or Paul Hawken. (You'll notice McDonough's name in the "special thanks" section of Natural Capitalism.) Or, for a quickie, watch the video I linked to. I must note that the system McDonough envisions gives corporations incentives to put the consumer in control of what happens to a product, and not the other way around.
I'm sorry I called you a leftist. I have seen WKEL, including the special features on the DVD. Happy reading.
Onward!
(as if progress were directional! ha!)On Send me your questions before tomorrow posted 2 years, 4 months ago 35 Responsesto wiscidea
Perhaps "rent" was the wrong word - I used it for lack of a better one. All the same, your reply sounds like a lot of defensive, paranoid, leftist drivel.
Maybe do some reading on the idea before you reject it outright. I suggest starting with Cradle to Cradle. And maybe watching this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ1dECu5sSc
Beyond your intelligence? Hopefully not. This stuff is common sense. I'm just curious what Amory Lovins thinks of McDonough's ideas...On Send me your questions before tomorrow posted 2 years, 4 months ago 35 Responses
Cradle to Cradle Technology
Ask him what he thinks of William McDonough's idea to transform industry by shifting the focus from product-ownership to the purchase of services (for instance: instead of buying a stereo and trashing it when it's old, you rent the stereo and pay for the service of fixing/upgrading when it gets too old). Is this kind of industrial system in our future?
Also, try this:
If [Lovins] could pick any issue OTHER THAN global warming as the most urgent/significant environmental issue, what would he choose?On Send me your questions before tomorrow posted 2 years, 4 months ago 35 Responses
Koyanisquaatsi
I don't know how you missed Koyanisquaatsi. It should be number one on the list.
Also try Instinct, with Anthony Hopkins. On 15 Green Movies posted 2 years, 4 months ago 52 Responses
Changing minds, changing lifestyles
Let's look at this concert for what it is: an advertisement (or PR stunt) for the green movement. The question is: does it work? And is it a good thing?
At this point, advertising only works in one context: materialism and vanity. If you are trying to sell someone on a certain religion (the green religion), worldview, or type of lifestyle, you cannot do it unless you appeal to a person's vanity, sense of identity, need for fulfillment, etc. In other words, sell them something first. "That car is green? I want one! Then everyone can see that I am that type of person."
Rock concerts like this one are no different. They are selling an identity to the audience, and the audience wants the identity - not the ideas being praised, but the identity that comes with the ownership of the ideas. Greenness is now a material thing to be had: just as Bono's (RED) campaign plays off of rampant materialism and peoples' vanity, so Live Earth manipulates rock fans into adopting an image that reflects "greenness."
So, yes, this concert is successful advertising. But is advertising a good thing?
Unfortunately, all advertisments are successful only in the short term. Advertising is based on an industrial system that values quick profits and efficiency instead of sustainable profits and effectiveness - its method of persuasion must be quick, neatly packaged, and simplistic. Our culture, now saturated with advertising and materialism, has come to function in a way that reflects this ethic: we can fight global warming by campaigning against it, by appealing to your need to define your identity, by using simplistic, packaged solutions. And, like advertising, you will forget about these ideas just as quickly as they came.
Truely convincing someone cannot be done with advertising tactics. It cannot be done by appealing to their materialistic nature. Truely changing one's mind and lifestyle is a process, not an event. It takes challenge, not fundraising. It takes a conversation, not a rock song. And, most importantly, it takes action - real action: personal action. This is to say, nothing about a rock concert or a pledge gets people to begin a new routine. One simply has to start living differently - not just think about it, sing about it, pledge about it, or go to a rock concert about it! Even small steps, if employed, are better than backwards steps and big thinking.
Let's be skeptical for a moment and consider this event for what it is: just a show.
On Depends how you define green posted 2 years, 5 months ago 5 Responseswow
hard to follow up such a blindly left-wing bit of nonsense. and i even agree that hemp would make a better biofuel...
Anyway: Obama a flip-flopper? More like in the pocket of the coal industry. It'd be nice if real sustainable technology was successful enough to support politicians... But we're so focused on finding new energy rather than implementing energy-saving design that we'll just dig ourselves deeper... into the ground... for coal...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ1dECu5sScOn Ready to Barack posted 2 years, 5 months ago 4 Responses
Children's Books
Please allow me to take a moment to declare my outright disgust at the idea of a children's book that pushes a specific ideology. ACK!
Let's face it: biased books aimed at children have never been successful except among adults. Have you ever met a kid that actually likes the book "The Giving Tree" or "The Lorax" or "The Butter Battle Book"?? These books are trash. Adults only buy them because they reaffirm preexisting beliefs and appeal to an adult's desire to reconcile a very innocent childhood nostalgia with a very adult sense of politics.
Quality children's books are neither bias-free nor biased. That is to say, they are apolitical, genuine, and unrelated to political desires and motivations. Books that are generous in imagination win the hearts of kids, and encourage creative thinking, independence, and intelligent/moral thought. It is one thing to have a moral to a story, and quite another thing to plug an ideology. Think of how much "Where the Wild Things Are" would've sucked if Sendak had made it into a political thriller about imperialism or something like that!
Not to mention, kids are much more capable of understanding complex ideas and metaphors than we often give them credit for; they deserve better than superficial propaganda (liberal or conservative). Why bother indoctrinating them anyway? If we are so confident that our own morals and values are correct - that is to say, based in reason, intelligence, and truth - then why not let our children come to these ideas on their own, if they are indeed natural conclusions of a moral/intelligent mind? Youth are quite capable. To think otherwise is to deny them true success.On A conservative kids' book publisher takes on climate change posted 2 years, 6 months ago 3 Responses
Eco Fashion
Sling and Stones:
http://www.shopbop.com/static/coming_soon.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3 ...On Which companies are going beyond green posted 2 years, 6 months ago 6 Responses
Vicious Ecofanatics
Ad hominem attacks and stereotyping have got to stop if we want to get serious about our environmental impacts. Insults don't win people over to your side...
Also: the McGyvers are out there, and so is the technology. They/it has been around for years. Why do you think it hasn't been implemented yet? Anyone? Anyone? Hmmmmm....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ1dECu5sScOn Taking on the belief that technotoys will allow the status quo to continue posted 2 years, 6 months ago 27 Responses
To Bart:
Isn't the "if you help me, then I'll help you" sort of agreement what's fueling the corruption in American politics right now? As I see it, if we incentivize environmental responsibility by offering our support in exchange for it, we weaken the idea that it is something of worth in the first place: we turn it into a commodity. And then it's politics as usual.
Environmental responsibility should be expected, natural, assumed - not an incentive.On A columnist thinks so posted 2 years, 6 months ago 5 Responses
YOW
So true.On A columnist thinks so posted 2 years, 6 months ago 5 Responses
As much as I disagree
I do not agree with anything John Bailo says, and most times think his provocations detestable - however, I must protest at the idea of someone being able to delete his posts. This should be about open discussion, not about censorship against those who disagree with a certain opinion or seek to anger other participants. If we aren't mature enough to handle or ignore John's provocations, perhaps we should not be involved in the discussion ourselves.
Besides, isn't that exactly what John Bailo wants: to be censored so that he can have a reason to rail against Grist for its fascism and bias?On A great profile posted 2 years, 6 months ago 42 Responses
Trolls
I agree with you Bart. But dispite the fact that jabailo usually spouts an unclever mixture of ad hominem and bull, he does occasionally (if entirely by accident) give a good discussion prompt.
And to John Bailo himself: What difference does it make if we get fanatical about stopping emissions or not? What does it matter if the science is right or wrong, when we know what we're doing is healthy for everyone? There's nothing bad about doing a BETTER job of stopping pollution. There's nothing dangerous about being healthier.On A great profile posted 2 years, 6 months ago 42 Responses
Re: The Grand Inquisitor
I love laughing at people when they demonize GW theories because I think it's ridiculous. This is not to say that I do or don't believe in human induced global warming. But come on: the dark ages? I'll admit that both sides of the GW debate use logical fallacies ranging from bandwagon fallacy to red herrings, apophasis, anecdotal evidence, confusion with causality, and, as Mr. John Bailo has often demonstrated, ad hominem attacks. However, there's no persecution going on here. You can believe in GW theories or you can reject them. No one is forcing anyone to believe in anything. Even in academia when teachers (sadly) make their students watch An Inconvenient Truth, they don't force them to actually believe in it.
Whether Gore is right or wrong about the "cause" of global warming doesn't matter - at least to me. What matters is that we clean up. It doesn't take a scientist or genius to figure out that emissions are not healthy for breathing, why big cities smell so bad, or how people happen to get asthma and cancer when they live close to high-polluting industrial zones. Anyone ever been to Beijing? You feel sick with your first breath of air from that city.
This is an issue of health - global health. Who cares if we are or aren't causing global climate change? Why not reduce emissions anyway? It's not difficult. It's not expensive. We have the technology. Asking a business to reduce its emissions is like asking a person to get some exercise or eat healthy food: why the hell not? Many times it's even economically beneficial! What have we got to lose other than our unhealthy habits?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ1dECu5sScOn A great profile posted 2 years, 6 months ago 42 Responses
Class stereotyping
I'll say it again: without the example of Brown and people like Nathan, many universities and colleges would likely not be making the practical changes that are now being made to campus energy use, etc. - my own alma mater included. Their actions are commendable, even ithe lifestyles of their classmates are not. Actions such as these encourage changes in lifestyles.
And I agree with sparky001 that there are two different discussions going on here: one is over the importance of students' green initiatives, and the other is over class stereotyping, intolerance, and guilt/envy. Those who want to continue acting like children, by all means: continue making fools of yourselves.
On Some students don't want to go carbon neutral posted 2 years, 6 months ago 36 ResponsesEdwards/Kucinich Dream Team
Why not?
And, on the subject of green mansions and belt tightening: I must disagree with 6degrees. What we have is not a problem of lifestyles, but a problem of design. Green design, if supported and implemented in effective ways, would do as much for the environment as cutting back (perhaps even more), and would benefit the economy as well. We have the technology. The market exists. (As I mentioned above.) This is the heart of the new movement. Of course, this is also a discussion for another forum...
I suggest reading William McDonough's book "Cradle to Cradle," or, if you have the time, watch this lecture on green design:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ1dECu5sScIt might just blow your mind.On That's what his support for CTL shows posted 2 years, 6 months ago 74 Responses
liberal elitists
Those liberal academic elitists forced that impressionable young man to watch and believe in that dirty film without offering a different point of view?! That's outrageous!
I bet they also made him study Plato and offered no differing perspective on his philosophies. And they probably also forced him to study Copernicus without offering the alternative perspective of the world being flat instead of round! My God! And French class: I'll bet never allowed him to use alternative pronunciations to French words. In fact, I bet they forced him to pronounce words a certain way!!! When will those liberals in academia stop being so politically incorrect and start teaching every possible perspective on every subject??!!! You call this education?????On Breaking news on Fox posted 2 years, 6 months ago 4 Responses
Politics
What do you all think of Kucinich?On That's what his support for CTL shows posted 2 years, 6 months ago 74 Responses
dirty dirty dirty
Politicians and leaders in the business world would be wise to listen to visionaries like Amory Lovins and William McDonough. Why frantically search for new solutions to our energy crisis (like coal) when all that's really needed is a revolution in the way we design things (and perhaps a slight change in our lifestyles)?
Inventors, engineers and designers have proved that the technology works, and that it is economically feasible. And now there's a big market for it. All that's needed is for people in power, like Obama, to stand behind it. Too bad he's got his head stuck in the coal bucket.
Maybe he would see things differently if he saw this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ1dECu5sScOn That's what his support for CTL shows posted 2 years, 6 months ago 74 ResponsesAllergies
My wife is one of millions of Americans who are allegic to corn. (She's also allergic to soy and dairy.) In the past 3 years I've stopped eating corn entirely, and pretty much stopped eating soy as well. I've never felt healthier. Now, when I eat products containing corn syrup, corn starch, or other corn ingredients, I feel sick, and realize how bad it really tastes.
Also: what happens if some sort of virus or bacteria or something should suddenly wipe out corn? World hunger?On On the peculiar American habit of demonizing food posted 2 years, 6 months ago 22 Responses
Trivialize
Fox may end up trivializing the green movement, but will the public? Murdoch doesn't package and sell ideologies and in doing so make them cheap, he packages and sells ideologies that already have a firm base of support, and that continue to thrive after he's promoted them. Though he may have simplified it, he certainly didn't trivialize the conservative movement. And I happen to have a lot more faith in the American public: this movement is not going to explode and then disappear. With more exposure, people are going to start thinking more critically about the issues, and I think we'll see a generation of younger folks that really do want to change the world.
That said, I agree that Murdoch's only motivation is green... that is: green bills... money. dough. cash. bucks. dinero. moolah. blingy bling. oh yeah, and power too. On Rupert Murdoch launches effort to green News Corp.'s operations and programming posted 2 years, 6 months ago 14 Responses
I actually agree
I agree, denier, that GM doesn't need subsidies but customers. People who buy Chevy vehicles want something rugged, individualistic, untamed, imposing, American. Nobody in the rural midwest going to buy a sissy car named the Volt; Chevy customers want cars with names that will tear up the frontier just by saying them: Tahoe, Trailblazer, Silverado, Colorado, Avalanche - or maybe they'll go with Jeep: Patriot, Compass, Commander, Liberty, Grand Cherokee, etc.
I would say that Ford is the most reputable US car company to have tackled environmental issues. More manufacturing plants should hire William McDonough to environmentalize their factories...
Meanwhile, I still argue that we as a country are going to have to look to alternatives to cars if we are to ever get anywhere with GW. GM should be investing in high-tech trains, if they really are thinking about their future as a company...On Traded In His Chevy for a Cad Attack posted 2 years, 6 months ago 2 Responses
Green Libertarians
As a libertarian and an ardent environmentalist I am offended by your generalizations. I think there are a lot of libertarians out there that see environmentalism as an essential part of taking responsibility for their actions. I personally don't believe that maintaining a healthy planet has to come at the expense of personal freedoms. It is in our nation's self interest - just as national security is in our self interest - to guard the health and safety of our air, water and resources. To suggest that green ideology and libertarianism ideology are opposed is rediculous! On Technoscientific and ... not posted 2 years, 6 months ago 35 Responses
Not a dichotomy but a complex problem
Has anyone met or read John E. Ikerd? I heard him speak, and find a number of similarities between what he had to say and what Mr. Brown has been saying. That is, that these problems are firmly rooted at the core of our economic and social institutions/culture, and that the ordinary consumer simply exacerbates these problems through compliance with this framework. For instance, if we change our lifestyles and expect the system to adapt to us, it will not happen: the system will simply change its identity without changing its core principles/methods.
However, it is important to note that effective change will indeed begin with a fundamental transformation of how we view capitalism, economics, and the purpose of our lives - that is, it will begin with a quiet and revolutionary change in values and perspective. After we take this first step, we can truly proceed in changing our lifestyles, and then the flawed system. But this first step is most difficult, and will likely take much longer than we all anticipate.On Technoscientific and ... not posted 2 years, 7 months ago 35 Responses
And also
And recently, our president has signed the Presidents Climate Commitment, here. We also just built a new LEED certified education center at Merry Lea.On Some students don't want to go carbon neutral posted 2 years, 7 months ago 36 Responses
Enough Bickering
That's enough of the bickering, indeed! As Pangolin (and this forum) demonstrates, there's way too much bickering on Grist forums lately over people/organizations that are actually taking steps to improve the world, however small. Why argue over little issues when, in the end, we want the same thing?
Infighting like this is a classic example of ways that groups divide and schism, fracture into extreme groupings, and eventually disintegrate. Discussion is one thing, but fighting and finger-pointing? And over people/organizations working for change? We are at our best when discussion yields cooperation and concrete change. Let's all grow up a little.
Does anyone have other examples of ways to improve a college/university's footprint?
I went to a small Mennonite college in Indiana: Goshen College. While we still have a long way to go, the our student environmental group, Ecopax, has done quite a bit for our college - and we based many of our ideas on what we observed from Brown. In my four years at GC we've managed to get a number of grants aimed at assessing and reforming the college's footprint, started a campus garden, jumpstarted a new recycling program and organized educational events for the community. And, the Brown website has been a fantastic resource for us. On Some students don't want to go carbon neutral posted 2 years, 7 months ago 36 Responses
All this talk about flying
I don't think it's fair to villainize people who are spreading the message of environmentalism as successfully as Al Gore has done. It's too easy to cry "hypocrisy," here, and ignore the positive impact made. Think of spreading the message as an investment that if successful will return results better than any individual can produce on their own, and that will make up for the pollution caused to do so. Making green mainstream is a good thing. Changing peoples' minds is an essential first step to getting them to change their lifestyles.
"The idea of revolution coming from outer conditions, in the industrial field or the so-called reality of economic conditions, can never lead to a revolutionary step unless the transformation of soul, mind and will power has taken place." -Joseph BeuysOn Is the starfish story really just bunk? posted 2 years, 7 months ago 19 Responses
Eco-fascists!
I'm going to agree with David Roberts on this one. All of this smug, dogmatic eco-political correctness is really wearing thin. I'm tired of all the bitterness. Why not suggest positive alternatives directly to NOLS - and in a polite way - instead of complaining like a rancorous teenager? How old are you?
I've taken off my moralist hat. I'm done with agression and ready for collaboration. JMG: you seem ready for nothing but belligerence.On Travel to exotic lands ... posted 2 years, 7 months ago 82 Responses
Again, Pangolin
This is the reason people have hated environmentalists for the past 30 years: people like you use guilt instead of inspiration to get people to go green. I'm willing to bet your smugness and general animosity has already alienated people who might otherwise be convinced to change their lifestyles. What does your family make of your eco-obsession?
I understand your "patching holes in a lifeboat" metaphor. I often feel that my own mother undoes most of the positive impact that I have made with my personal lifestyle choices. However, my mother is an individual, and makes her own choices. I can't force her to change anything. And I don't attempt to convince her using guilt tactics and finger-pointing. Bitterness converts no one. On Some students don't want to go carbon neutral posted 2 years, 7 months ago 36 Responses
Pangolin: Got any dirt on Nathan Wyeth?
There are pleanty of places to point fingers. Why Brown? Why attack the classmates of people who are actually doing something good? Are you trying to discredit the efforts of student environmental groups by making a reverse generalizaton correlating the actions of the students attending the same institution with the actions of said groups? Your fallacious logic is disgraceful.
What point are you actually trying to make by attacking the students of Brown? You sound bitter and defensive, and you embarrass yourself with your belligerence.
I commend you for your lifestyle choices, and your work, Pangolin. But I doubt you will find much satisfaction in such choices and actions while marinating in your own smugness. None of us are entirely without fault.
On Some students don't want to go carbon neutral posted 2 years, 7 months ago 36 ResponsesOverall
I think it ridiculous to criticize a green business that supports education on environmental issues when there are any number of businesses that support the blatant destruction of our world for no reason other than financial gain. JMG, why have your sights set on the moderate do-gooders when you could be bagging the real villians? What a waste of energy on your part: to fuel debate against that which furthers the cause you advocate.
Before you change your lifestyle, you must first change your mind. NOLS is changing minds.
"The idea of revolution coming from outer conditions, in the industrial field or the so-called reality of economic conditions, can never lead to a revolutionary step unless the transformation of soul, mind and will power has taken place." -Joseph BeuysOn Travel to exotic lands ... posted 2 years, 7 months ago 82 Responses
To Pangolin
You are obviously correct. In fact, murdering the entire human population - rich American and poor Indian - would easily solve our current problem of human-induced destruction!
I sense a lot of anger in your above post. Perhaps you could channel that anger into creating a positive solution to these problems, as students at Brown and other institutions are attempting to do.
It is worthy of noting that I agree with you that resource distribution and population dynamics play an important role in tackling these issues. Perhaps you could attempt to find a realistic solution to these two factors that doesn't involve violating human rights, and post it in a forum where it is relevant to the topic at hand.On Some students don't want to go carbon neutral posted 2 years, 7 months ago 36 Responses
Mayer Lite
Mayer seems to suffer from an inability to apply himself when it comes to practically everything he does. Here is a person who has the potential to play quality music (he's pretty skilled at guitar, but doesn't challenge himself), and instead decides to sing and record pure fluffy crap. It looks like he takes this watered-down approach with morals as well as music. If only it were possible to offset moral lethargy - or even bad taste!On From pop star John Mayer posted 2 years, 7 months ago 31 Responses
and another kudos
If biofuels were really being explored in this country as an alternative to fossil fuels, then someone surely would have noticed the amazing potential industrial hemp -
But, wait! I forgot about the war on harmless miracle plants oops I mean threats to big oil/plastic/cotton oops I mean drugs.On Some miscellaneous but connected items posted 2 years, 7 months ago 7 Responses
I agree
I agree with many of your points, John Fish Kurmann.
And speaking in a psychological/philosophical sense, I think it is difficult for many people to come to terms with the fact that life in general depends on death - that is to say, death plays a role in the life cycle. We fight death in many ways, and in many ways convince ourselves that death is an enemy. We see starvation as a moral issue, and not as a natural occurance ("It is wrong to let people starve."). This is not to say that I advocate starving people, or abolishing modern medicine, or anything like that. But I agree that perhaps the most moral thing to do at this point is to look at life for what it is: a cycle of life, death and rebirth.
On a less philosophical note, I agree that we may be inviting further destruction if we "try to increase food production." I think we can all agree that doing increasing food production would be excessive, if not also entirely undesirable.
I am surprised that no one has yet considered the fact that a good percentage of the world's population stays alive thanks to industrial food production, i.e. corn/soy, and that reliance on such monoculture may also be inviting future problems. Really, it would be easy to feed a population of 9 billion or more: just industrialize food to the point that it is not food anymore, pump it full of corn syrup, and add loads of artificial/natural flavors so that no one knows the difference! Kraft will feed the world in 2050!On Feeding the world sustainably posted 2 years, 7 months ago 36 Responses
The Mustache
The Mustache. That's ging to stick, I think.On Good framing from Friedman posted 2 years, 7 months ago 27 Responses
Oh, and to save Jabailo the time...
You just really hate people, don't you! You want us all to die or live in a totalitarian distopia! Crypto-Malthusians! Oh, you finally show you're true colors, elitist liberal atheist pigs! Anthropophobia-ists... Baby HATERS! I suppose your solution would be to kill off all the old people and make a law against NOT having abortions! NAYSAYERS!
Here is a wiki article i wrote!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-malthusian
_The Texeme Construct offers international text memetics construction and textcasting services. http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com_On Quit talking about it already posted 2 years, 7 months ago 92 Responses
Speaking of good books
Yes, Ishmael is a good one (Daniel Quinn). Also try Jared Diamond's "Collapse." And, best of all, A. Duncan Brown's "Feed or Feedback."
In response to the initial post by David Roberts:
Alienating people is no reason for avoiding a highly important issue. I agree that one must approach sensitive issues with care and compassion - but not avoid confrontation entirely. Imagine Martin Luther King Jr stop his quest for equality because he was frightened of becoming a pariah! Dare I suggest that those with this outlook are simply too afraid to admit that they might have overlooked an issue destructive to the human race? A little cognitive dissonance, perhaps?
The fact of the matter is, we may not have enough resources to healthily support our current world population - resource distribution aside. Consider this quote by William McDonough: "If you want to go to Mexico, and you're driving toward Canada, even if you slow down you're still going to Canada." We can distribute resources, but it won't slow our growth.
Consider the amount of energy it takes to produce food for the world using modern agricultural practices. Consider the amount of current usable land area for growing food. Consider the fact that it is not "having larger families" but "having longer lives" that has made our population so large in the last 100 years. Consider that fact that the more food available to the human population, the more our population flourishes.
This is a multifaceted issue. This is a morally difficult issue. People don't like to talk about it because they don't want to admit that death is essential to the life cycle - that population stability is dependent on death as well as life. It hurts even to think it.
Lets put money to family planning, education, population studies, etc. Let's do all we can without infringing on peoples' rights to stabalize population growth. I take this position: better safe (with a low population) than sorry (very sorry). And better educated on the issue than not: do some reading before talking about this. Try some of the books mentioned at the beginning of my post. On Quit talking about it already posted 2 years, 7 months ago 92 Responses
Green Fad
I'm always amazed at these magazines that do profiles of "green" celebrities but neglect to mention numerous people who are actually doing more for the earth and environmentalism than mere public relations. By the cover, I would guess that this issue of Vanity Fair is no different.
The American public is interested in lavish pop lifestyles, not saving the planet (I doubt DiCaprio's giant coat on the cover was made with recycled fibers - or even (gasp!) bought second-hand!). I agree with JMG. If we continue to defend superficial greenness - its consumerism, celebrity worship, vanity (forgive me!), and greed - then the current environmental renaissance will surely be nothing more than a passing fad.On In which Knut gets even cuter posted 2 years, 7 months ago 8 Responses
Balanced
To Zarkov:
Blaming global warming entirely on "Big Oil" is pretty one-sided. You cannot ignore the fact that big oil is still reliant on consumers (industry or individuals) who use oil - and that the number of current consumers is in the billions. We are all responsible for polluting this earth - big oil and ordinary people. The buildings we live and work in take great amounts of oil to produce and run. To villainize industry is to ignore your own role in the issue.
And to others:
Reduction of "individual resource demands" only delays resource consumption. You can tell everyone to use fewer resources, but if the population continues to increase, that won't help do anything other than harm quality of life. To quote William McDonough: "If you want to go to Mexico, and you're driving toward Canada, even if you slow down you're still going to Canada."On As expected, the news is mostly bad, and then worse, and then worse still posted 2 years, 7 months ago 23 Responses
On a different note
Why is overpopulation always overlooked when it comes to this issue? Fewer people means less of a demand for housing/food/energy. We should be promoting birth control and family planning as much as we promote clean energy!
Oh, and, please feel free to ignore jabailo, who just likes to blindly naysay everything... On As expected, the news is mostly bad, and then worse, and then worse still posted 2 years, 7 months ago 23 Responses
Spelling
"Forget." It's been a long day!On All ten of 'em posted 2 years, 8 months ago 13 Responses
Grow up.
Have either of you got any better suggestions? Zarkov refuses to point out better, less "childish" alternatives to Gore's recommendations, and instead resorts to ad-hominem attacks. And jabailo: what would you suggest? Did you foget to read the parts that were not about light bulbs? Give some stronger arguments - otherwise, I'll listen to Gore.On All ten of 'em posted 2 years, 8 months ago 13 Responses
religion
You have a good point about movements/religions spreading because "the system" uses them for power. Yet, it is important to note that all movements at least start with people finding value in them. And no religion grows overnight.
I'm curious: what is the one "glaring" exception?
"The idea of revolution coming from outer conditions, in the industrial field or the so-called reality of economic conditions, can never lead to a revolutionary step unless the transformation of soul, mind and will power has taken place." -Joseph BeuysOn A new call to walk the talk posted 2 years, 8 months ago 39 Responses
More on art
Some good comments, Caniscandida. You can ignore the "politically objective" part of my previous post. If we were to discuss objectivity and/or politics, we would likely go off-course quite quickly. What I appreciate about Burtynsky's work is that he allows great room for interpretation, and doesn't try (at least not blatantly) to make a political statement with his art.
You are right to observe that Burtynsky and Jordan are very different conceptually - though I myself would not call Burtynsky's "classical" documentary photography old-fashioned. Documentary photography (particularly with large format camera systems) has become quite popular once again, with both new and old artists redefining what the term means though use of digital technology (Wall, even though he meticulously fabricates his scenes, is something of a documentary photographer himself... journalist, no, but documentary photographer, yes... actually, he's really more of a poet...).
I am afraid, however, that I must agree with your friend about Wall's presentation of his work. I'm actually pretty fed up with large-scale photography and the whole "bigger is better" mentality. Wall seems to do with photography what the masters did with painting, and because of this, large-scale images make the most sense for his work. However, I think I would appreciate his work just as much if it were a fraction of the size that he prints it.
The light boxes I can handle... Consider the fact that Wall only prints his images once or twice, and doesn't release many books: that alone makes his work much more eco-friendly than most photographers. And, I would rather see Wall's images in light boxes than ads in light boxes - which is where he got the idea.
I hope you enjoy Wall at MoMA. I'm quite jealous that I cannot see it myself!
On Chris Jordan makes staggering statistics visually real posted 2 years, 9 months ago 9 ResponsesBurtynsky
Edward Burtynsky is a photographer that I greatly admire - his subject matter is similar to Jordan's (he does mostly industrial landscapes), but his approach is much more subtle and, I would say, politically objective.
I don't disagree with the message or intent behind Jordan's work (what I interpret it to be), but I also don't like being clubbed over the head with an issue that I'm already quite familiar with. Art should be accessible, but not crystal clear. Jordan's work doesn't make me think. It lacks the subtle quality of Jeff Wall, Edward Burtynsky, Wang Qingsong, or others.
Burtynsky:
http://www.edwardburtynsky.com/Ecotopia ICP Triennial Photographers:
http://www.icp.org/site/?c=dnJGKJNsFqG&b=2031117
On Chris Jordan makes staggering statistics visually real posted 2 years, 9 months ago 9 Responses