Comments MarkUK has made

  • Meh...

    The only thing our resident comedy duo manages here is to convince people they do not uderstand what the concept of "climate" actually means.

    I do find it amazing how much text people can produce without ever actually coming up with anything that makes sense.

    Better ignore these two. They have not contributed anything of value since the first time they showed up. You can't argue climate change with people who do not comprehend the basics.On Global temps may drop this year but, alas, world still warming posted 1 year, 7 months ago 132 Responses

  • yuk

    Let's see...

    My car is worth 6,000 pounds. If i'm lucky anyway.
    My flat is worth about 130k with a 110k mortgage. So, I sell both and have 26k to play with. If I want to live closer to work I'll need to buy a house for about 250k. Assuming that in the current banking climate I can actually get a 90% mortgage, which I won't, I can then move to my new place.

    I can't pay for the removal van, the taxes and all the other costs that come with it. Also, now my wife lives far away from her work and now she is driving way more.

    Public transport would mean leaving home at 6am to get to work by 8am. Leave work at 5 and get home at 7. Oh, that's right, I need to pick up my son from child care so I have to be there by 6 the latest.

    You know what, you holier than thou types can stuff it. The world does not work to some simple principles you might believe in. Lots of people have to live in the real world.On California vehicles to get global warming stickers posted 1 year, 8 months ago 15 Responses

  • well..

    Well, that's a little dishonest all those nice points...

    Fact is that when somebody denies something than that makes that person a denier. If you say evolution is bunk or HIV is bunk or human activities have had no impact on climate than you are in denial. Period.On 'The scientists aren't even sure' -- No scientist ever is posted 1 year, 8 months ago 33 Responses

  • sad

    I thought the IPCC made it pretty clear that there are other factors that influence the climate. It just happens to be the case that all that carbon that was removed from the atmosphere millions of years ago is now being dumped back into the atmosphere in a very short time frame.

    Our activities are now one of the forcings.

    Still waiting on any correlation even between cosmic rays and clouds. But the fact that you are clinging with such desperation is fairly amusing.On Climate skeptics blame the sun for global warming posted 1 year, 8 months ago 45 Responses

  • Get real

    Any suggestions on how I should get to work? The bus? That would take three buses and (assuming they are all on schedule) two hours each way.

    Move closer to work? Sure, I just need a raise of about 40% to afford a house there.On California vehicles to get global warming stickers posted 1 year, 8 months ago 15 Responses

  • get real

    A denier is somebody who is in denial. Some are in denial about global warming, others about HIV, evolution or whatever science is conflicting with their religious or political views.

    I call it like it is.
    On 'The scientists aren't even sure' -- No scientist ever is posted 1 year, 8 months ago 33 Responses

  • yep

    "Europeans also produce almost nothing of worth to the world economy except luxury goods.  

    They piggyback on the American economy and defense umbrella so they can have relatively unhampered economies while Americans pay the burden of the military and the research costs needed to create a modern society."

    I hear this argument a lot in the States. It's when I realize I am dealing with a completely uninformed individual and all further discussion is cancelled.. This also explains how people like Bush ever got elected.On Drawing actual conclusions about the international challenge posted 1 year, 8 months ago 11 Responses

  • rich students

    Wow! Students walking and cycling instead of driving by SUV... That must have been a real sacrifice for them. Give me a break. Students don't have money and that is why they do these things. All those low cost flights are full of students partying away in Poland or Hungary. I can fly to Poland and spend a night for less money than what it costs to fill up my car.

    Everybody sees what the problem is and the vast majority is waiting for somebody to do something about it.On New survey of U.K. youth reveals mixed attitudes about the future of the planet posted 1 year, 8 months ago 2 Responses

  • Logic

    The point is not who is paying money to who. I know plenty of science projects funded by big industry that are of high quality. The point is why somebody is funded by who.

    In this case exxon is not providing funds to carry out a research project but to conduct a campaign of misinformation. They have every right to voice their opinions. What they are doing however is claiming this is science. Which it obviously is not.

    Which brings me to the hilarious stance of the deniers here. For some reason they usually jump up and down about how all the scientists are only in it for the money, yet for this conference they are happy that the participants are being paid to show up. Go figure.

    The other thing I find amusing is the group 3 skeptics. Those who claim that any action will destroy the economy. These are the same people who claim that we don't know anything really about the climate as it is all so very complex.

    These same people then go on to claim 100% sure that action will destroy the economy. Because we all know how economy is such an exact science...

    I am still waiting for some real skeptics to stand up and present some quality research. But I am more and more concluding it is just not going to happen. All we have is this lot. The Discovery Institute's illegimate little brother.On Do Big Oil and Big Tobacco share a similar smokescreen? posted 1 year, 8 months ago 26 Responses

  • Makin' your mind up...

    Something I would like clarified is the way old temperature records (all temp records for that matter) are used by our "skeptics". One day the argument is that all these measurements are unreliable because of surface stations, old technology that was used a long time ago, poor calibration of sats, etc, etc. The next day they use the same data to show how they are right. Such as good Max here..

    What is it guys? On What happens when a group's position statement does not reflect its members accurately? posted 1 year, 9 months ago 89 Responses

  • Standards?

    "on the construction of the
    "Greenhouse Effect Global Warming" dogma."

    hehe... Yeah, that title is something you'd see on a reputable scientific paper.

    "The European Science and Environment Forum (ESEF), now defunct, called itself "an independent, non-profit-making alliance of scientists whose aim is to ensure that scientific debates are properly aired, and that decisions which are taken, and action that is proposed, are founded on sound scientific principles." Typically this manifested itself in questioning the science upon which environmental safety regulations are based.

    The Forum was linked, via shared staff (Julian Morris and Roger Bate) and a shared web server, to the International Policy Network and the Sustainable Development Network. The most prominent academic members were US scientists known for skepticism on global warming and the relationship between CFCs and the ozone depletion."

    "The International Policy Network (IPN) is a non-profit organisation based in the United Kingdom that funds groups and workshops to promote market solutions to international policy debates."

    So, jabailo... You said this earlier:

    "Will" be published...as in your source "USA Today" (hardly a scientific juggernaut) can say anything they want without anyone being able to read the supporting data.   Oh, and The Albuquerque Journal is only "peered reviewed journal" if your peers are 60 year old women blonde women with 2 inch thick leather skin."

    Peer reviewed important to you? Scientifric standards important to you? Maybe you should start reviewing all papers and information to the same standard. Including the information you agree with?
    On There was no consensus about global cooling in the '70s, says study posted 1 year, 9 months ago 12 Responses

  • Why not

    They seem to be able to afford safe cycle lanes in Holland. Properly separated from the rest of traffic.

    Any idea how much it costs to build roads? yet when it comes to cycle lanes the cost becomes to high...On Reflections on death by SUV posted 1 year, 9 months ago 25 Responses

  • Nice

    A surrogate for Dr. Dessler? Thank you very much. I see that as a great compliment. On Revisiting the climate-science funding question posted 1 year, 9 months ago 48 Responses

  • Fun

    As a side note I have always found it funny how the skeptics keep claiming that the old temperature records are unreliable or old observations are unreliable unless it is about the hurricane debate. all of a sudden they can claim with great certainty that this is all part of a natural multidecadal cycle. All of a sudden the old data is completely reliable.

    Amusing.On Revisiting the climate-science funding question posted 1 year, 9 months ago 48 Responses

  • HAHA

    Max,

    The ONLY reason I engage with people like you is because I have a sense of humor. There is no point in the debate with people like yourself. I figured that out a long time ago. It's just fun.

    Deniers have no useful role to play anymore other than provide material for teaching people about inconsistent thinking and bad science.

    Anyway, I'm sure you're a great guy and all. keep it up etc etc etcOn AGU releases position statement on climate change posted 1 year, 10 months ago 62 Responses

  • Next

    With all the need for silicon to get those solar cells to work, does that mean you guys are now going to invade the middle east for sand? And for sunlight?On New report compares military and climate spending posted 1 year, 10 months ago 9 Responses

  • hehe

    Max,

    You were not first in line were you, when the Man upstairs handed out logical thinking skills?

    Hey, it's OK. Just let the rest of the world get on with things and we'll sort it out for you. Just don't get in the way will ya?On More bogus climate skepticism posted 1 year, 10 months ago 227 Responses

  • Wrong. Again.

    "But I do think everyone who truly believes we are headed for trouble due to a warmer planet should actually be happy and relieved if the projection of a weaker solar cycle and resulting cooler temperatures turns out to really be the case."

    Uh, no. Because that means that when our period of grace from the sun is over global warming will kick in with even more of a vengeance. CO2 keeps building up in the mean time. It's a reason for more worry, not less.On More bogus climate skepticism posted 1 year, 10 months ago 227 Responses

  • FCUK

    Just wrote a long post, hit the back button, can't be bothered doing it again. In short:

    bla bla bla.... bla bla bla... CO2science.com hahahahahahah!!!.... bla bla bla.... Still not explained why Hansen is wrong.... bla bla bla... Just stated you don't agree with him....

    etc etc etcOn More bogus climate skepticism posted 1 year, 10 months ago 227 Responses

  • Uhum

    The powers that be are worried and have been for some time. They understand the issue perfectly well. They feel that admitting it could lead to unrest, rising energy prices and economic problems. Blair turned oil occupier after a small fuel protest in the UK almost led to no food in the supermarkets in only a few days He never realised before then how dependent we are on the black stuff.

    Next thing you know he's happily invading Iraq.On Conventional oil will peak within seven years posted 1 year, 10 months ago 10 Responses

  • Nope

    I don't feel guilty in the slightest. Industrial revolution has increased lifespan and created better lives for billions. However, not taking action when you KNOW your actions are likely to have negative consequences is stupid and short sighted. On The parallels between accepting obesity and ignoring global warming posted 1 year, 10 months ago 71 Responses

  • Why?

    Why is Hansen's prediction hogwash? He may be right or he may be wrong. Why do you think he is wrong? On More bogus climate skepticism posted 1 year, 10 months ago 227 Responses

  • Revere...

    Just imagine if his wife had told him to fix the sink rather than go off on his horse again... You guys would be Americashire. Oh well. On More bogus climate skepticism posted 1 year, 10 months ago 227 Responses

  • Fundies

    Max,

    Sure there are "fundies" on both sides of the debate. No doubt about that. In both cases pretty horrific. Whether the numbers are the same I don't know.

    I do know that the number of serious scientists skeptical of the theory of global warming are extremely rare. So, maybe we can call a draw on the fundies. Not on the science.

    If only the skeptics would do a real job of providing skepticism worhty of the word. I see that so rarely it is close to never.On More bogus climate skepticism posted 1 year, 10 months ago 227 Responses

  • Testy?

    Max,

    I'm not testy at all. I debate climate science all the time and find it fascinating. I have figured out by now when there is a point and when there isn't it. With you there obviously isn't any point. I know good old hunter from the SciGuy blog where he consistently copy/pastes the same crap he posts here. There is no discussion to be had with him as he is in complete denial. I have in fact used many of his posts in lectures as perfect examples of what denial looks like. He has a use. Usually those comments raise a good laugh. Though there used to be a guy at SciGuy called "Tex". He was amazing. Nuts, but the funniest denier I've ever come across. Mostly you guys are all the same....

    It's like trying to discuss evolution with a creationist. Pointless. That said, you can have some fun sometimes, right?On More bogus climate skepticism posted 1 year, 10 months ago 227 Responses

  • que?

    Where did Dr Dessler state that climate is static? Could you provide a quote?On AGU releases position statement on climate change posted 1 year, 10 months ago 62 Responses

  • Still looking for a bucket.

    "Remember, all character assaulters out there, that people who seek the truth are NOT your enemy - they are your friends"

    Yay. With friends like these...
    On Today: George Waldenberger posted 1 year, 10 months ago 52 Responses

  • Bulls eye

    Looks to me like Dr Dessler is pushing all the right buttons... On The parallels between accepting obesity and ignoring global warming posted 1 year, 10 months ago 71 Responses

  • Windy?

    As they say in my little corner of the woods: High trees catch a lot of wind... Dr Dessler sticks his neck out and these yoyo's continue to flatulate there ill informed, ignorant nonsense.

    I am still waiting for someone to show up who does not believe CO2 is the cause for the observed warming. Someone who can actually make a proper argument and doesn't use the word Gore every five lines.... I so much don't want to believe in this global warming thing but none of these skeptics are even remotely believable. Very frustrating. I don't even have a bucket of sand big enough to fit my head in. Maybe one of our esteemed skeptics here has a spare one?On Climate skeptics blame the sun for global warming posted 1 year, 10 months ago 45 Responses

  • Takes one etc

    Demean the messenger, ignore the message, vast conspiracy, ignore the evidence... say hunter, have you ever read one of your own posts? Or you have a little software bot that that just randomly pastes that stuff?On More bogus climate skepticism posted 1 year, 10 months ago 227 Responses

  • export

    And look what came out from under that rock? Exporting his expert brand of blindness.

    You guys should set up a website where you can all smoke cigars and rant about those nasty greens and Gore supporters who want to put evil taxes on you...

    Anyway, keep it going. These posts are providing really good teaching materials. It's great to see how children very quickly pick up on good logical arguments and, well, really shitty ones.

     On More bogus climate skepticism posted 1 year, 10 months ago 227 Responses

  • denier

    Being against a tax on carbon does not mean you have to deny the science. That's what I find so dishonest. People running around claiming there is no global warming because they don't want some potential outcomes of policies.

    Science is science. We have the advantage of living in a democratic sociey. We can use our voice to give our opinion. The tactics by the deniers are cynical and very low.On Today: George Waldenberger posted 1 year, 10 months ago 52 Responses

  • Apron anyone?

    Max,

    You wrote:

    "This does not prove very much except:

    (a) There are more "qualified" individuals (as defined by Andrew) who contributed to IPCC (as a part of their normal research jobs for which they received pay) than there are "qualified" individuals who went out of their way to contribute to the US Senate report (for which they were presumably not paid)."

    Qualified individuals who went out of their way to contribute the US senate report? Really? What you are doing there is placing the IPCC report and the US senate report on a level playing field. If you can't see how dishonest that is you really do need to get an apron.

    I would also like to see your analysis of Inhofe's claims on the science of global warming. Looks like he is a bit on the nutty side of the equation... But hey, if you like his company, go for it.On Today: Thomas Ring posted 1 year, 10 months ago 66 Responses

  • it's difficult

    Max,

    I suppose you could say the difference is that the IPCC report was put together by experts reviewing many scientific studies and taking a lot of time to see where the common ground is on climate science.

    The US senate report (if you would bother to research this) is nothing more than a list of people some of whom happen to be scientists. A list on which there are people who do not want anything to do with it. Because it is not the result of any research effort. It's just a PR effort by some senator.

    Anybody unable to make that distinction is not intelligent enough to even bother with global warming and should be baking cookies...On Today: Thomas Ring posted 1 year, 10 months ago 66 Responses

  • make the effort

    http://rabett.blogspot.com/2007/12/makin-list-checkin-it- ...

    A nice list...On Today: Thomas Ring posted 1 year, 10 months ago 66 Responses

  • lions' den

    I'm not a scientist but my interest in this subject has resulted in attending a number of conferences on global warming related issues. One thing I took away from that is that those scientists are very fierce in their debate. They certainly don't sit around laughing about how much they all agree on their consensus...

    It's just that they agree on the basic points. CO2, warming, effects. Dig a little deeper and a whole bunch of fighting is uncovered. It's fascinating and a great example of how science operates. Which is why it is such a shame that the attention is going to the pr debate between science and deniers.

    There is so much interesting debate going on within climate science.On Scientists do not have a financial incentive to settle the climate debate posted 1 year, 10 months ago 30 Responses

  • oil sands

    Unfortunately the problem is not how big the reserves are but how quickly we can produce oil... Oil sands require enormous investment, enormous amounts of water and enormous amounts of gas. Gas that is used as a supply of hydrogen! It would be funny if it wasn't so sad....On One-hundred-dollar oil posted 1 year, 10 months ago 17 Responses

  • Waste of time?

    I hope there were people listening that took something away from it. Personally I admire you for the civility and patience. I do feel for Eric though. He's got a real bunch on his blog... Talk about paranoid cranks...On Climate skeptic plays hookey posted 1 year, 11 months ago 11 Responses

  • opportunity

    i think it could be a great opportunity to teach children not just about global warming but about science and activism.

    This could lead to excellent discussions on what is science, what is political activism and what is simply denialism. The tactics used by these denialists need to be shown to children.

    One thing I always notice with these denialists is that they seem incapable (or unwilling) to distinguish between science and politics. I think it is fine to explain children that Gore is a political activist. He also happens to get the facts right almost consistently. Then there are the activists from the "other side" who don't even bother to do science or use science. They just use lobbyists and lies.

    Exposing all that could teach children some critical thinking skills...On Brit judge claims to find errors in Gore movie posted 2 years, 1 month ago 15 Responses

  • Cash

    "No "oil company" goes around funding this stuff from the get go!"

    It's actually getting better again. There's more research money available these days from the big bad oil people.

    Anyway, if there is money to be made there are always money men ready to put the cash in. For a long time oil was too inexpensive for these investments to be interesting. Luckily now money flows into new energy areas. Blaming the oil companies for all the bad things in the world (or big corporate) is really quite pointless.

    Try and take the oil & gas out of your life and see what is left... Like living with virtually nothing?
    On Karl Rove says history to view Bush as 'far-sighted leader' posted 2 years, 3 months ago 25 Responses

  • Yep

    You can't win 'm all... Sometimes you just leave them in the mud. The denialists are still out there making noise, but they are losing the war. In the end science will come out on top because it is truthful. Not perfect and not all knowing, but sincere and ultimately that beats the paid PR companies.

    It is difficult to argue with these people because it doesn't matter what the subject is, HIV, holocaust, GW, evolution, they use the same tactics, arguments and methods.On Thoughts on Chris Mooney's Storm World posted 2 years, 3 months ago 5 Responses

  • Nope

    The "Made in..." label is not the relevant thing here. Efficiency is. If something can be made at less cost (financial, energy, etc) somewhere else than it should be.

    There is nothing wrong with moving from a manufacturing society to a information or technology society. Thinking that can be reversed is childish at best.On Are you trying to buy more American-made products? posted 2 years, 3 months ago 11 Responses

  • Consumer power

    If people want to make a change maybe consuming less?On September 4th event marks new phase in struggle for the planet posted 2 years, 3 months ago 9 Responses

  • Cheese

    Yeah the Dutch live lower than sea level for a large part. They also decided to construct proper sea defenses. Something they have done well. Something they are already doing in many other places. Including now New Orleans. The Dutch will get rich of adaptation.On When it comes to climate change, prevention is more important than adaptation posted 2 years, 3 months ago 15 Responses

  • Pointless

    So, we boycot BP when they do something in our neighborhoud? It's OK for these other companies to do the same somewhere else? These kind of actions are only designed to make yourself feel better without any rational or useful purpose.On And don't piss off Pearl Jam posted 2 years, 3 months ago 9 Responses

  • sure

    "the eco-systems that regulate the carbon budget are collapsing"

    But they're not.

    Let's not pretend we know exactly what is going to happen. On And at what temperature Greenland's ice sheet will melt posted 2 years, 3 months ago 5 Responses

  • Yep

    I can't stand women that just pick at a salad... Eat something for god sake... On NYT dating advice: Eat more flesh posted 2 years, 3 months ago 24 Responses

  • Please

    Posts like this sometimes tempt me to move to the climate skeptics camp... Give me a break.On The question must be asked posted 2 years, 3 months ago 16 Responses

  • sure

    I always love that attitude. There will be winners and losers... So, no need to do anything. Climate has alwyas changed... Technology will solve all the problems no need to do anything unpleasant... On Climate change impacts on wineries: Could this be the last straw for some? posted 2 years, 3 months ago 2 Responses

  • really?

    Recycle everyting? Really? No matter what the energy cost?On Anybody listing the lists? posted 2 years, 4 months ago 11 Responses

  • censor?

    huh?On Game over posted 2 years, 4 months ago 13 Responses

  • yep

    I'm not disagreeing with you (I think!). I agree that the situation calls for greater measures. I just don't think politicians are going to take the electoral risk and so Gore is going for what is achievable now. Once you have that you can work on the next level, which will be easier to get at that point...On Game over posted 2 years, 4 months ago 13 Responses

  • Well

    Politicians are the guys taking the policy decisions. So if you want to do something you need to get them to committ to it. Politicians care about votes and 4 year terms. Al Gore needs to achieve something. Taking an extreme stand and not getting anything agreed on is pointless.On Game over posted 2 years, 4 months ago 13 Responses

  • Huh?

    Comparing coal trains to trains carrying jews? The word ridiculous doesn't even come close.

    Peak oil will be less of an issue than people now think. There are a lot of developing countries currently heavily subsidizing their fuel. They will have to stop doing that. This will cause significant reductions in oil demand. There is plenty of oil around the problem is in daily production levels. On Yeah, coal again posted 2 years, 4 months ago 11 Responses

  • Realistic

    I think Mr Gore lives and operates in the real world and is trying to achieve targets that political leaders can committ to. I am not a great fan of Mr Gor ein general but on this issue he has been amazing, in the best sense of the word. It is rare to see a politician with such conviction and even rarer to see a politician listening to scientists the way he has...

    He knows he is going to get the predictable rubbish from the usual crowd. But to all intents and purposes those guys are on their way out. The last denialists out there are just jokes. Stuck records...On Game over posted 2 years, 4 months ago 13 Responses

  • Skeptics Guide

    I've been spending some time on the forum connected to the Skeptic's Guide to the Universe podcast. Recently the conversation goes towards global warming regularly... Most of these people are fairly open to information so any help from locals here would be appreciated to add to the discussion.

    Andrew, I hope you don't mind this little post. I have to escape from SciGuy sometimes to be amongst the  sane...

    http://www.skepchick.org/skepticsguide/viewtopic.php?t=35 ...On A professor of History and Science Studies explains posted 2 years, 4 months ago 9 Responses

  • cities

    When I lived in the center of Edinburgh I was fine. Everything was walking distance. Then you get a family and a job and find you can't afford to live in the center nor would you want too...

    More people in cities is a good idea. Less travel and rail makes more sense.On Johnny jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge ... must ... jump ... posted 2 years, 5 months ago 110 Responses

  • No cars

    Actually I lived without a car for quite a few years. It was a nightmare. Always waiting in the rain for buses that were always late. Trains that run late and are old, dirty and slow.

    When I bought a car our lives improved by orders of magnitude. Getting somewhere could take half a day by bus now takes a hour or so. My wife is going to by a second car as her job requires her to travel around town. Again with the buses that would mean spending 3 hours or so every day in buses.

    You can say what you want. I like my car. It has made my life a lot better. No propaganda required from the car lobby.On Johnny jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge ... must ... jump ... posted 2 years, 5 months ago 110 Responses

  • Struggling

    OPEC is struggling to keep supplies up. Putting in the infrastructure is a big job. No doubt about it. You don't just need a new well, you need pipelines, refineries, etc.

    However, the market is there. With China and India developing and many countries now clearly past their peak oil point there is plenty of scope for growth. They are struggling to keep up supplies.On Agrifuels creating insecurity of demand for their oil posted 2 years, 5 months ago 11 Responses

  • never

    He is unrealistic. Anyway, there are not enough gas supplies available.On Skip it posted 2 years, 5 months ago 18 Responses

  • uh

    As far as I understand the problem is that the ice sheet in the interior appears to be gaining in ice but the ice sheet at the edges, where it contributes to sea level rise, is reducing in height.

    The other problem is that it appears that the speed with which the ice is lost is not linear but increasing. The loss of sea ice and the increased flow of ice to the sea are likely to move more ice into the oceans and reducing the overall size of the ice sheet.

    That's what I got out of it anyway. By the way, no need to get worried about me. I only ever respond to posts that pop up at the right hand side...

    The other point to make is that I am not questioning there are plenty of issues to resolve... On 'The Medieval Warm Period was just as warm as today'--Repeating this point does not make it true posted 2 years, 6 months ago 216 Responses

  • Nah.

    There is a big difference between science and business. I escaped from the lab and am now in business. In business you get paid (well I do anyway) to sort a problem. Science is much less defined in an endpoint. When you apply for a grant you will have a defined project but that in itself is usually not going to be the end of all research in that field!

    People who claim that scientists are really in it together to make money don't know what they are talking about.

    First of all, look at the cars and clothing of most scientists... If it was money they were after they would be working for Exxon... I know why I left science and went into business. You need true passion for science to stick with it.

    Secondly, if you go to any science conference the amount of sniping and arguing taking place... Agreement is rarely the word that springs to mind.On The 'in it for the money' theory of climate science doesn't pan out posted 2 years, 6 months ago 9 Responses

  • All depends.

    It's not me I don't trust. It's the car drivers. My children are safe in the car or walking with me on the sidewalk. They are not safe in a flimsy trailer. Like I said, if I lived somewhere where there were cycle lanes or traffic was more tuned in to cyclists I would. Where I live neither is the case...On My bike and kids posted 2 years, 6 months ago 12 Responses

  • no way

    I hate to say it, but I am with Jab here. No way I would put my 10m month old boy in such an exposed trailer. Especially taking into consideration how most car drivers go about things.

    Environment yes, but not at the expense of my child's safety.

    If would go back to living in the Netherlands I would do it for sure. Everybody cycles and car drivers take ranking 3 after cycles and buses.
    On My bike and kids posted 2 years, 6 months ago 12 Responses

  • Status

    It's the way to go. Get the rich to buy this first. The technology will be expensive at first. It also makes these cars and the technology into status symbols. Then when you bring the price down everybody wants one.On Condi in a Tesla posted 2 years, 6 months ago 17 Responses

  • Hasselt

    Appaently it was Hasselt...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-fareOn Continuing the debate posted 2 years, 6 months ago 78 Responses

  • sure

    Wanna finish that book this morning? Take the bus!

    Sure. I will certainly get to finish my book. It will take me 2 hours to get to work by bus. 45 minutes by car. In which I get to listen to my audiobook. And I get to sit. Rather than stand..

    Car beats bus any day. What is required a massive investment in public transport.

    Some years ago there was a town in Belgium I think that made buses completely free for all. The idea being that the cost of building all these roads for cars was a bit of dead end road... Providing free transport for all was actually cheaper than all those construction projects. I wonder what happened after the first year?On Continuing the debate posted 2 years, 6 months ago 78 Responses

  • H2

    I can't find the reference anywhere but I remember reading that setting up a workable hydrogen infrastructure covering western Europe would not be that expensive. A lot of money , but certainly doable. The money is there and it will be done. Potentially each station could generate its own hydrogen using renewables...On Continuing the debate posted 2 years, 6 months ago 78 Responses

  • Skeptic

    Hey, I'm skeptical. But if you go about things the right way it is very difficult not to come to the conclusions as mostly published through the IPCC. There is plenty of debate "intra theory" as with evolution, but the basics are well established.

    Being scientifically skeptical has absolutely nothing to do with the policy or economic consequences of the science. The best fitting theory should be the first choice.

    The problem is that very few people are skeptical of AGW theory. Most so called skeptics are opposed to many of the proposed solutions and merely try to use the science to stop those solutions from being implemented. They are called deniers because their arguments and their style of debating is the same as those used by HIV deniers, creationists/ID types, etc.

    If somebody brings up true scientific arguments, than great! I'm still waiting though... Every time you get hopeful you found a true skeptic and there's going to be an interesting debate within five paragraphs Al Gore, taxes, etc show up...On 'The Medieval Warm Period was just as warm as today'--Repeating this point does not make it true posted 2 years, 6 months ago 216 Responses

  • Old and tired

    Let's see what the real story is with Rachel Carson:

    http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/05/rachel_carson_kil ...

    http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/05/this_week_in_the_ ...

    How low can you go?On I shall speak now and then forever hold my peace posted 2 years, 6 months ago 20 Responses

  • poo

    I tied those nappies that can be laundered. It might work if you have large house, but I have a smallish apartment. It stinks. I'm afraid it is disposables for me...On The paper vs. plastic question must die posted 2 years, 6 months ago 20 Responses

  • sigh..

    It's going to happen at one point. Oil supplies are getting tight and this is for politicians an easy score. People get upset that gas prices are up, so let's drill for more oil. Of course it is rubbish and won't make any difference. it'll still happen...On Drilling for oil is good for climate change -- see how! posted 2 years, 6 months ago 4 Responses

  • Crazy

    Oh, alright, We just need to move a few billion people to Siberia and northern Canada. And I thought we might have problems.

    The first problem is the continuous melting of the permafrost which is already causing great problems in the North. Buildings, roads and trees are all falling over or crumbling as the ground below melts. I suppose we should wait with moving in until all permafrost is gone...

    I know guys already making money in Canada because of less ice cover. So, five guys win, 6 billion others not so much.

    You should have a look in Fort McMurray. That town grows like nowhere else because of the oil sand developments. It's not pretty. No infrastructure, not enough housing, schools, etc, etc. And there is plenty of money and motivation to put in there. Still not happening. Now imagine that for a few billion people being moved to Siberia? Sounds totally feasible...On Or is it just us? posted 2 years, 6 months ago 13 Responses

  • now

    I don't really care if has been hotter in the past or not. I didn't live 10,000 years ago or 500,000 years ago. I live now. If the permafrost melts now and if climate changes now it is going to impact me and my family. So, I care. In all honesty whether it was colder or warmer in the past is irrelevant to me to a large extend.On Or is it just us? posted 2 years, 6 months ago 13 Responses

  • yes

    Not to mention the fact that these deniers are rather alarmist as well. Trying to convince everybody that taking any kind of action will mean the end of civilization...On A great profile posted 2 years, 6 months ago 42 Responses

  • ah yes...

    Alexandra,

    You are right of course and thanks for reminding us!On A great profile posted 2 years, 6 months ago 42 Responses

  • yep

    That's the problem with virually all skeptics. A complete lack in understanding of the difference between science and lobbying...On A great profile posted 2 years, 6 months ago 42 Responses

  • Yep

    According to this definition:

    "A troll is a person who approaches a board with the specific intention of stirring things up, either as a goal in and of itself or as a means of attacking the board perhaps motivated by opposition to the ethos of the board."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

    You are a troll by your own admission. You are opposed to the ethos of this board and you will stay until the "hoax" falls apart. Right? On A great profile posted 2 years, 6 months ago 42 Responses

  • fluid properties

    hehe...
    On Patrick Moore proves to be -- gasp -- a nuclear shill posted 2 years, 6 months ago 13 Responses

  • Please?

    I'm starting to get frustrated with our skeptics/deniers. Come on guys, give me some real research data that shows CO2 is not the problem! Not the same tired arguments.

    I love big cars, far away holidays and I make a good living in the oil industry. I really want to be convinced that all those thousands of scientists have got it all wrong. Yet, there is nothing to hold on to for me. No straw to grasp. Stop trolling and repeating the same tired points and go and do some research. Come back and make me happy. On A great profile posted 2 years, 6 months ago 42 Responses

  • ah

    "Amidst all this, there are dissenting voices, which are seldom heard.'

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!

    Oh man, that was funny...On A great profile posted 2 years, 6 months ago 42 Responses

  • China

    Tar is not a fluid... Anything but. The pipeline to the west coast is under discussion because the Chinese are starting to invest in the tar sands and they want the oil out...

    Like it or not, the tar sands developments will go on for some time. Too much money has been invested and is at stake...
    On Patrick Moore proves to be -- gasp -- a nuclear shill posted 2 years, 6 months ago 13 Responses

  • yep

    Just to let you know that I flew on that airline. I do very often (shoot me) and I did try the pizza. Let's just say that it was by far the worst food I have ever tasted anywhere. And I go to weird places, by plane, a lot. Anyway, they don't care. I usually bring my own food but forgot this time. Probably cost me 2 years of my life.On When is pizza not a turkey sandwich? posted 2 years, 6 months ago 13 Responses

  • uh..

    The Hummer playground?On Contest in need of Grist readers and their funny posted 2 years, 6 months ago 18 Responses

  • tornadoes

    Max,

    For the avoidance of doubt I was not really trying to make any point regarding an increase in tornado frequency. I am not sure actually what the story is regarding tornadoes and global warming. Dr Dessler, do you know anything about forecasts regarding tornadoes?On 'The Medieval Warm Period was just as warm as today'--Repeating this point does not make it true posted 2 years, 6 months ago 216 Responses

  • I Love you too!

    Hello,

    We are a bit testy aren't we? Anyway, here's a link to a graph showing tornado frequency through the last century. Looks to be going up.

    http://www.hprcc.unl.edu/nebraska/us-tornadoes1916-2005.h ...

    US tornado deaths:
    http://www.hprcc.unl.edu/nebraska/us-tornado-deaths1916-2 ...

     "It is assumed that increased public awareness of severe weather threats (with media assistance) has caused the overall downward trend in tornado fatalities."

    Not what I think. Facts. I hope you are a bit happier now. Honestly, when you smile the world looks nicer. Now go and find somebody to give you a hug and maybe next time there will be less throat jumping...On 'The Medieval Warm Period was just as warm as today'--Repeating this point does not make it true posted 2 years, 6 months ago 216 Responses

  • help

    Would the increase in quality of forecasting not have something to do with the lower casualty rates of storms and tornadoes? These days everybody knows days in advance when the storm is going to hit. There are tornado warnings and sophisticated radar systems. There are fewer surprises today. I don't think it has anything to do with fewer tornadoes or storms...On 'The Medieval Warm Period was just as warm as today'--Repeating this point does not make it true posted 2 years, 6 months ago 216 Responses

  • footnotes.

    I would also like to point out that having footnotes and references itself is not a guarantee for quality. Take Mr Lomborg's book. Plenty of footnotes and references yet when you actually take the effort of looking up these references you find they have often been quoted out of context or sometimes do not even exist.On 'The Medieval Warm Period was just as warm as today'--Repeating this point does not make it true posted 2 years, 6 months ago 216 Responses

  • warm climate

    Actually, cold or warm is less relevant than wet or dry. There plenty of examples of ancient civilizations that disapeared because of climate change. Generally warmer is accompanied by drier...

    The other thing to keep in mind is that large parts of the world today live on a knife edge. Even in today's climate peopl eonly just manage to grow enough food. A change either way could send those regions over the edge.On Will it be adaptation, mitigation ... or neither? posted 2 years, 6 months ago 12 Responses

  • shills

    Not everybody denying AGW is a shill. I personally know plenty of those people. Some just don't buy it. On Observed warming since 1990 is greater than the models predicted posted 2 years, 6 months ago 32 Responses

  • what...

    What would be the cause of the enormous shift in politics and attitude of the developed nations? Right now hundreds of millions live in poverty, etc... So far the west hasn't resolved that, so why should be be so optimistic to believe that the human race will do a 180? I think live will be tougher. I think the split between those who have and have not will get bigger. I also think that I will do anything in my power to make sure my children will be part of the "have" group...On Population is not the short-term problem posted 2 years, 6 months ago 15 Responses

  • yay!

    Well, that settles it. If they thought higher temperatures were a good thing in April 1896 then why have all these poor scientists been working away for the last century and a bit? On Observed warming since 1990 is greater than the models predicted posted 2 years, 6 months ago 32 Responses

  • Fire!

    Can someone provide a water hose here? All that straw dragged in here by jabailo is starting to build up...On Observed warming since 1990 is greater than the models predicted posted 2 years, 6 months ago 32 Responses

  • join us!

    eriga,

    I don't know how you get in... I sold my soul years ago to the secret world government. I started of with the hiding of the cure for cancer and have since worked on several projects. Hiding the car that runs on water, masking the lethal oil microlayer that covers our oceans and now on the indoctrination of the world population regarding global warming so the secret communist world government can take full control... hahaha!

    Dr Dessler is merely an instrument providing us with evil models. Obviously the linux users are the last remaining resistance we will need to wipe out...On Observed warming since 1990 is greater than the models predicted posted 2 years, 6 months ago 32 Responses

  • Models

    Isn't it funny that our skeptics are always very certain that CO2 is no issue and yet also state that the models are uncertain. If these models are no good why don't these skeptical scientists construct their own models that show a different picture? Surely if all these models are junk you should statistically see a nice spread of models.

    Yet what apparently happens is that models that have been verified using past data seem to point into one, rather bad, direction...On Observed warming since 1990 is greater than the models predicted posted 2 years, 6 months ago 32 Responses

  • uh...

    Actually I don't have to impress anyone. I am not a climate scientist. I have a science education but in this field have to decide what source to trust. Since all skeptics consistently lie, manipulate data, repeat the same points over and over long after they have been refuted and use all the standard denier tactics, I see little reason to doubt the conclusions of the vast majority of scientists in this field.

    Again, if the skeptics are so much better at understanding the real science than they sure make a mess of communicating it and do a pretty good job of destroying their own credibility. On Vote! posted 2 years, 6 months ago 96 Responses

  • no

    There is no point. I am still waiting for the first so called skeptic to say something that will impress me. It's types such as above here posting this rubbish that makes it so easy to make up my mind. Ignore the deniers unless they make a new point.

    That's rare by the way, though I was amused by the recent global warming in the solar system claims.

    By the way, this blog at the Houston Chronicle could use some realistic and science based commenters to balance the nutcases hanging out...

    http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archives/2007/04/uhoh_what_ ...On Vote! posted 2 years, 6 months ago 96 Responses

  • he?

    I am going to regret this, but nevermind...

    What is grid revv? And how is it the cause of everything?On It ain't pretty posted 2 years, 7 months ago 24 Responses

  • USA

    http://www.fortcollinsweekly.com/index.php?option=com_con ...

    http://www.earthsky.org/radioshows/51194/since-2006-unpre ...

    Beekeepers across the U.S. have been reporting via national surveys that their bees are rapidly disappearingOn Is the information age killing off honeybees? posted 2 years, 7 months ago 17 Responses

  • when?

    When is a technology "fully examined"?On Is the information age killing off honeybees? posted 2 years, 7 months ago 17 Responses

  • Bah.

    Personally I do not believe for one second we will achieve those reductions. I am an environmental engineer. In other words I try to make companies more environmentally sound in their operations. I find it astounding that through very simple measures large companies (oil companies for example) could not only reduce their waste by 70% or more but make financial savings of billions. They don't. If we can't get it right when it is simple AND makes us money we have no chance of getting it right on the global scale. Petrol i sbad, so we start with ethanol. The examples are endless.

    What wil happen is that the rich countries keep going but pay a bit more and suffer a bit, yet mostly keep going. The poor nations will get it even worse but hey, that Okay. After all they were poor anyway...

    Doesn't stop me from trying to do what I can, but hopeful I am not. Sorry to be such a negative. I need a drink now...On Something that destructive outside SHOULD be unpleasant inside posted 2 years, 7 months ago 22 Responses

  • nope

    Always the problem when science and religion mix. Sooner or later the science conflicts with the religious beliefs and guess what wins? Yep, the religious beliefs. In coming up with the right solutions and policy there is no space for religion or supernatural thinking. Whatever the data tells us works is what needs to happen. No amount of spiritual thinking can change that.On Quit talking about it already posted 2 years, 7 months ago 92 Responses

  • fruit

    Global trade has managed to take hundreds of millions out of poverty and continues to do so. Flying is a polluting activity but also one for which we do not have an easy solution. I have to fly a lot for my work and it keeps a whole bunch of people employed that would otherwise not have jobs.

    If there is one thing bad for the environment it is unemployment. People without money care about food and shelter, not some environmental effect.

    We need to go for the low hanging fruit first. More efficient cars, houses and reducing flights for frivolous purposes. Let's not forget that those flowers being flown around the world are grown in many cases by people in developing countries. Not sure they appreciate it if we cut them off because of our fear of global warming.

    Economic development is key to improving people's life standard across the planet.On Something that destructive outside SHOULD be unpleasant inside posted 2 years, 7 months ago 22 Responses

  • about right...

    Actually the USA has closer to 5% of the world population but you are probably right anyway. It's close enough. Maybe we will take up the less fortunate in the US.
    We will just have to segregate the rest of you guys... Very brave of you to sacrifice yourself like this. We will make a small statue right behind the public toilet.On For shame! posted 2 years, 7 months ago 23 Responses

  • yuk...

    The guys has a nice career going for himself. I'm sure he is very proud when he looks in the mirror in the morning. In a few years he will move on to something else...On For shame! posted 2 years, 7 months ago 23 Responses

  • Activist / Scientist

    One of the biggest problems our so called skeptics and deniers have is the lack of ability to distinguish between scientists and activists. Al Gore is not a scientist, Lindzen claims to be one. Al Gore is vastly more right in his views on global warming then wrong. Lindzen knows better, is a trained scientist and is therefor dishonest.

    So Al Gore makes money. Good for him. If we have to believe the so called skeptics anybody who states that global warming is a problem is not allowed to make any money and has to live in a cave without any electricity. You have to be a saint apparently. It is both ridiculous and a complete fabrication as to what Gore is saying needs to be done.

    The point Gore is making is that we can do this. He believes in the capability of the human race to tackle such a major issue. The deniers do not have that faith in our capabilities. Please leave things the way they are because we won't be able to cope. It will be the end of our society! Let's face it, the skeptics are a bunch of alarmist, apocalyptic scare mongerers.On For shame! posted 2 years, 7 months ago 23 Responses

  • No but, yes but...

    I think the argument I read once (on SciGuy) was that even if this graph is right Hansen was going all over Washington with a different graph only showing the worst case scenario. Only at this  testimony did he produce the full version.

    In other words Hansen is supposed to be a liar too cowardly to lie at a Congressional testimony and therefore the fact that he was right on the mark with his prediction is irrelevant. Or something like it. I'm still to really comprehend the thinking these people use.On 'Hansen has been wrong before'--Maybe, but not about the climate! posted 2 years, 7 months ago 13 Responses

  • round 'n' round...

    The weirdest thing is that some people think that one single article can bring down an entire theory constructed on the back of decades of science. Even if the paper is validated by further research all that does is provide more questions to answer. It does not mean we throw out all of the other data and knowledge gathered. It means we go to work and try and figure out what is going on. The fact that these skeptics are always so keen to put one single quote or paper forward as evidence means they are either dishonest or totally clueless and usually unwilling to listen and learn.

    It really is like a creationist shouting "If we're descendant from monkeys how come there are still monkeys?! It shows a lack of understanding of the scientific process and an attitude of being so firmly stuck in a viewpoint that even researching the subject is a non-starter.On The innerworkings of it all posted 2 years, 7 months ago 69 Responses

  • www.google.com

    Since the resident troll does not appear to comprehend the workings of google.com maybe a helping hand is required...

    Here is the link to the IPCC website:

    http://www.ipcc.ch/index.html

    Please at least spend some time reading through it before making any more baseless claims. With regard to the mysterious people behind the IPCC reports that we are unable to provide. Here we go..

    The authors of working group 1:
    http://www.ipcc.ch/activity/wg1authors.pdf

    The authors of working group 2:
    http://www.gtp89.dial.pipex.com/wg2authors.pdf

    The authors of working group 3:
    http://www.ipcc.ch/activity/wg3authors.pdf

    The core writing team for the AR4 synthesis report:
    http://www.ipcc.ch/meet/session25/inf5.pdf

    Now read through these. Google the names of all of the people listed. Read up on their research and history. Read through the back ground of the IPCC and its methods. When you have done that and you have properly informed yourself come back and ask any questions. On The innerworkings of it all posted 2 years, 7 months ago 69 Responses

  • boring.

    All the usual tactics from our resident troll...

    http://www.denialism.com/2007_03_01_archive.html

    Pointless to debate these poeple here as yiu can't win. They keep shifting the goal posts, quote everything out of context. It's been used for a long time with great success. The problem is a site like gristmill attracts readers who are that little bit more interested in the subject and therefore not fooled by people like this. Unfortunately the real battleground is the mainstream media where we need to stamp on these types using consistent logical arguments and patience. On The innerworkings of it all posted 2 years, 7 months ago 69 Responses

  • 4 hours...

    LA to Houston is about 1500 miles. Going at 350 mph it would take just over 4 hours to cover this distance. 4 Hours from city to city. No driving to out of town airport, parking, waiting for shuttlebus, check in, security, delays, etc, etc.

    You could build a high speeds dedicated network that would be faster than flying taking everything into account...On Trains are the forgotten mode of transport, at least in the U.S. posted 2 years, 7 months ago 52 Responses

  • grey

    Over population is a problem but so is a reduced birth rate. Too many developed countries are increasingly "grey". A reduced available working population, fewer young people available on the market. Not good either...On As expected, the news is mostly bad, and then worse, and then worse still posted 2 years, 7 months ago 23 Responses

  • No surprises

    Reservoir depletion and reserves depletion is something we know pretty well how it pans out. It is usually very similar. The problem is the complete lack of knowledge we have on the actual reserves held by most states and the condition of their reservoirs...On The ubiquitous Richard Heinberg talks with Acres USA posted 2 years, 7 months ago 21 Responses

  • Seriously?

    So the people who say that we don't know enough about the climate systems on earth to make any claims that humans are responsible for global warming now think that a ridiculously small amount of measurements taken only very recently of other planets is convincing evidence of their point of view?

    Thousands of scientists and research project and publications. A few hundred years of observations and data and a bunch of satellites sending back daily info. All of that builds us a picture of climate change on earth. Yet it is nothing compared to the few data points we have elsewhere in the solar system?On 'Mars and Pluto are warming too'--No they aren't -- and what if they were? posted 2 years, 7 months ago 24 Responses

  • Optimists...

    Yes, some parts won't do too badly out of this. I'm in Scotland. We'll have warmer summers and wetter winters. We're pretty solid economically. And still we care about those countries who will be hardest hit and can least afford it to act.

    Higher temperatues means more pestilence, diseases, plagues. A change in climate does not mean the new state will be a steady state equally suitable to our means. We have been very lucky these last few thousand years that our climate has been stable and useful...On As expected, the news is mostly bad, and then worse, and then worse still posted 2 years, 7 months ago 23 Responses

  • huh?

    "Human activity has increased because of whatever it is that's raising the temperature and hence more CO2 (as well as other stuff)."

    I don't get it. Can you explain?
    On How can 3 percent be important? posted 2 years, 8 months ago 22 Responses

  • uh..

    Future's trading is not my field...On A new report could change the entire energy picture posted 2 years, 8 months ago 37 Responses

  • time

    My point wasn't really the potential money to be made etc. The problem is the difference in how the energy source is found. We are used to fairly standard oil that comes out of the ground.

    Coal as a source of gas or synthetic oil or just as itself does not come easily out of the ground. It is like the oil sands in Canada. People like to point out that there is plenty of oil there. True, the problem is the billions and billions of investment required and the tens of thousands of skilled workers to get it out.

    We can do it, but it takes time. Energy demand is growing much faster than we can bring these alternative fossil fuel sources online. It takes ten years or so to bring a standard oil field into production...On A new report could change the entire energy picture posted 2 years, 8 months ago 37 Responses

  • Alarm bells

    The alarm bells start going with parts like this:

    "Modern greenhouse hypothesis is based on the work of G.S. Callendar and C.D. Keeling, following S. Arrhenius, as latterly popularized by the IPCC. Review of available literature raise the question if these authors have systematically discarded a large number of valid technical papers and older atmospheric CO2 determinations because they did not fit their hypothesis? Obviously they use only a few carefully selected values from the older literature, invariably choosing results that are consistent with the hypothesis of an induced rise of CO2 in air caused by the burning of fossil fuel."

    That's not the writing of scientific article but the kind of writing you find in conspiracy novels. Suggestive questions and huge leaps in conclusions followed by the conclusion that the entire scientific community has been wrong, devious or fraudulent. Extraordinary claims ask for extraordinary evidence.

    If there is one thing scientists like it is finding mistakes in each other's papers... I've been there. If scientists had really published such bad, bad research it would by now have been thrown out.On 'The CO2 rise is natural'--No skeptical argument has been more definitively disproven posted 2 years, 8 months ago 12 Responses

  • Climate & baseball

    Saying that past performance is no indicator for future performance or however you want to put it is simply not true. It works in climate, it works on the stock market.

    I find it baffling that people are unable to understand the difference between a next day forecast and the statistical average over 30 years. Look at baseball. Any one game a good player can be great or stink but over the course of the season he'll probably end up at his statistical 0.300 batting average. So, predicting how he'll play tomorrow is difficult. Though you can try looking at his fitness levels etc. Predicting how he'll be over the complete season is easier because you can look at his last five seasons or so...On 'We can't even predict the weather next week'--But weather is not climate posted 2 years, 8 months ago 11 Responses

  • suspect

    All of these reserves numbers are suspect. The known oil reserves are almost certainly over stated as the vast majority of these reserves is in the hands of state oil companies. Overstating your reserves brings economic benefits. Saudi Arabia has had the same level of reserves for years now and considering that they have not had any major discoveries something does not add up.

    These numbers on coal are equally suspect. Different standards for different countries, etc, etc. The other thing people often forget is the investment required to get the oil in your gas tank. It's one thing pumping easy oil out of the ground but once you start talking about oil sands or coal liquification you need big, big plants to do that. Building these takes years and costs billions. Before these things are on stream takes a while.On A new report could change the entire energy picture posted 2 years, 8 months ago 37 Responses

  • Bit off topic...

    Just in case anybody missed this blog:

    http://initforthegold.blogspot.com/

    It's a real gold nugget and well worth a read...

    An excellent article on dealing with denial...

    http://initforthegold.blogspot.com/2007/03/why-truth-is-l ...On How can 3 percent be important? posted 2 years, 8 months ago 22 Responses

  • A % of A %...

    Of course they also like to point out that of the CO2 only a tiny part is of human origin. So the effect of human CO2 emissions must be close to zero... On How can 3 percent be important? posted 2 years, 8 months ago 22 Responses

  • Education, Education, Education...


    Andrew,

    You are absolutely right...

    I think that just like with ID the key thing is education. Yet, you have to accept I think that there will always be a part of the population that is going to deny science. I find it interesting that they use the same debating tactics.

    I find it also interesting that people who are perfectly able of rational scientific thought in other areas completely lose it when it comes to global warming. Seems political views cloud judgement more than anything else.

    Just keep going and going. I think more and more people are getting it. Now we need to get our leaders to take responsible action.On If a single new result clashes with the consensus, it's wise to doubt it posted 2 years, 8 months ago 11 Responses

  • Monkeys

    This talk of rushing to a conclusion is rather funny considering the body of scientific data has been put together over the last decades. The theory of GHg goes back a few hundred years. The desperation with which some people try to pin the observed warming effect on anything but GHG is starting to get a bit like ID and creationism. AH! If evolution is true why are there still monkeys!? That level. It's a shame...On If a single new result clashes with the consensus, it's wise to doubt it posted 2 years, 8 months ago 11 Responses