Comments Zarkov has made

No One Gets It !!!

>>> I don't get....>>>  it

that is because y'all are not a scientist, therefore y'all are be-muddled by science.

Science is not just the simplistic concepts y'all understand (yes the words are just fine, and really are in the english language)

Science is built upon a massive data-base of concepts drawn from EVIDENCE, so skimming the top only leads to false impressions.  Dangerously FALSE impressions.

This is why pollies have no idea, and the general public has no idea, and often scientists outside their field have no idea,,,, about the real meaning and implications of the written words of science.

You guys REALLY have no idea.

>>  he defended the models against every legalistic quibble from every aggrieved, attention-starved loser with an Internet connection, a history of poor socialization, and too much time on his hands.  >>

Good to see the attitude fostered here... sorry not my scene.

Yes scientists get treated like this by all and sundry.

Let this game unfold and your laughter will turn to tears.... This is my LAST post here, so blow your trumpet or is it your bu(n)gle.

If anyone really wants to know what is happening to the climate, and what is the most likely outcome then read
"The Death of Clouds" available from

omegafour.com

Fires are just starting, and y'all cry about CO2 emissions, LOL.

Its been nice chatting, until the Big Oil lobby started its smear campaign.On Why must global-warming science produce certainty? posted 2 years, 6 months ago 17 Responses

Prediction !

I predict that "what y'all call climate change" (ie drought and clear skies) will increase, but hey, the maximum air temperatures will never be much more than "normal for a clear sky day", but soon your minimum temperatures will plummet.  The temperature range will widen until all the clouds are dead.

Read all about in "The Death of Clouds" book, available now.

Good luck..  I will eat may Akubra Aussie Hat if this does not happen in the not too distant future.

omegafour.comOn Observed warming since 1990 is greater than the models predicted posted 2 years, 6 months ago 32 Responses

Nice Post Andrew

Yes the cause of global climate change is very unsettled

>> accepting an incorrect claim can be quite costly >>

who needs money when y'all extinct.

This outcome is an almost certainty.

Let them argue, let them look, let them pocket money, let them all die in my mind.  Deliberately overlooking critical data will lead us all over the cliff like lemmings.

Bring on the DAEBATE, and let me blast these phonies and posers out of the water.

omegafour.comOn No, but we still know enough to start taking action posted 2 years, 6 months ago 20 Responses

Not Helpful, Mate !

Thanks Astetica

Tis a shame you are not more informed about your industry and its responsibilities.  But given Big Oil's record, I am not even surprised, LOL.

Yes all the information posted re oil pollution is compiled at my database.

Remind me please

You work in the "oil industry on environmental issues", so I am now wondering just what environmental issues you might be interested it ?

omegafour.comOn Churchill, not Chamberlain posted 2 years, 6 months ago 58 Responses

PDO

>> If the PDO is not scientifically proven, I don't know what is.  >>

None of it is more than observation. Theories ???? LOL

The PDO seems to becoming much less cyclic and more erratic lately.

PDO basic, no, it is just a sign or symptom of global climate change.... the hydrology cycle does oscillate due to lag.

The earth's hydrology cycle is in trouble, and it has nothing to do with carbon dioxide.

Please show how carbon dioxide can have any bearing on the PDO.  ThanksOn There is no proof in science, but there are mountains of evidence posted 2 years, 6 months ago 78 Responses

Mental Poisons

>>  Then central planners used the money with an ethic of brutalism, forcing gigantic car thoroughfares across neighborhoods, into the hearts of cities, and then out into far-flung farmlands and wild places.  >>

Yes, and in the days of leaded petrol (only a few years ago), they poisoned the whole community.  Much of that leaded pollution remains in the soil, in the dust, in the air, and in you.

Socrates said "Beware your wishes", that was 2,500 years ago and mankind still does not understand the concept.

I am sorry to be so brutal, BUT, poisoned people are just not aware, not awake.... a heavy metal-mallet is in order, to awake them from their inertia and apathy.

Realise the public is 99% uninformed and wishing like crazy, and the political system is a democracy .... so how is change going to be brought about ?

Not only are cars a problem but there are insidious other sources of mentally corrupting chemicals being released into the environment.  These chemical can be with you for life, slowly accumulation and changing your mental awareness, changing your thoughts.  FATAL

They can and do travel around the globe.

But y'all love your car .....

and oil .... and y'all are going down the gurgler and you don't know it, and you really don't care.

Well I do, and I am not going to let your country destroy mine, and this beautiful LIFE on Earth.

omegafour.comOn There's more to freedom than free parking posted 2 years, 6 months ago 11 Responses

Right on Ken

>>> this is a simple matter of housekeeping  >>

If a forum is full of spam, flaming, ad hominem and troll remarks

it becomes very hard to read and get the gist of the real topic of conversation.  Threads become too long and too difficult to keep one's emotional state in order.  

All threads should be edited to remove inappropriate off topic posts.

Ah, but that is the problem, define off-topic !

Obviously some posts obviously need the chop, while others may be too far advanced for the audience and so may appear off topic to some.

You guys have a problem, but edit you must if you are to retain the type of people you have fought so long to attract.

If you have a voting system, who has the vote ?
I see this problem in all forums.

I just lock mine, but really one does need feedback if action is contemplated.

omegafour.comOn Churchill, not Chamberlain posted 2 years, 6 months ago 58 Responses

LOL, Full Stop

omegafour.comOn Here's why the scientific community thinks so posted 2 years, 6 months ago 4 Responses

Terminate

>>  I want to see articles that have abstracts and bibliographies and say "published in......." >>

This is the Internet... isn't NASA good enough ?

Well do some research in the local Uni library, its all there.

I take it you have not read my "echo chamber"

Take a look it is all laid out for you, I am sure you will find what you desperately seek, LOL.

But hey, you really aren't interested, just interested in throwing up.  I terminate this conversation.

omegafour.comOn Vote! posted 2 years, 7 months ago 96 Responses

Ice Age

>>> I'm actually much more worried about global cooling over from now to 2040 than global warming.>>>

Yes this is exactly what will occur, unless we do something about the oil film.  And IMO this cooling will not stop.

A few degrees drop in themperature is far more destructive than a few degrees warming.On There is no proof in science, but there are mountains of evidence posted 2 years, 7 months ago 78 Responses

Backseat Link

>> There weren't any other credible suspects for causing global warming  >>

Yes there is, CO2 is not a problem

>> => Fewer low clouds are formed

=> Earth heats up. >>>

Yes this is correct.

Cosmic rays ! well that is stretching credibility, no point introducing further complications without evidence.... just not good science.

LOL

so we are left with FEWER CLOUDS, especially low clouds ... high level ice clouds are increasing

Well, well,  what do you think from this ?

Earth's hydrology cycle is in REAL TROUBLE

Wonder why ?, could it be
that the oil on the sea inhibits water evaporation.

D'oh.  Now ask why the rest of the scientific world is so ignorant ?  An answer must be obtained, these people hold our fate in their hands.

WHY ???

omegafour.comOn Vote! posted 2 years, 7 months ago 96 Responses

Thank You DavidK

Balanced and sensible response.  

I tip my hat to this project.... a heaven sent blessing.On Putting iron in the ocean posted 2 years, 7 months ago 47 Responses

I voted BUT the i read...

and I see I made a mistake.

>> carpetbaggers with the phony fixes. Outfits like Planktos >>

A perfect example of a denier, WITH NO KNOWLEDGE, is sprouting DANGEROUS BS

The only way to save the planet; and yet many people including REALCLIMATE, IPCC and others are allowed to show their infectious lack of understanding.

In science such debates go on ... scientists have decades / millennia to argue

This Earth has /had no time to waste in petty ego arguments.   I am appalled that THE most important project ... yes it was proposed long ago ... a project that NOW has a willing implementer, is/maybe being derailed.

THIS IS YOUR LAST CHANCE EARTH !

Speak loud and clear, the denniers will get a hearing and be debunked .... hopefully before the trumpets blow.

But because the world is mainly populated by idiots, yes idiots
such denniers gain a great MASS of following, and y'all love democracy !!!!!  LOL (idiotic)

"The Death of Clouds"
omegafour.comOn Vote! posted 2 years, 7 months ago 96 Responses

Yep, you are Correct

LOL, thanks
:)

Not much use really !!!!

LOL, good one

omegafour.comOn It's done posted 2 years, 7 months ago 8 Responses

CO2 is NOT the Problem

>>  all the models suggest the plankton will grow, but the net carbon won't be sequestered. >>

LOL, this has nothing to do with CO2, absolutely nothing.

As I have stated earlier, the seeding will have a multitude of beneficial effects

and it will save the planet.

There is much more to this than the hype.
On Putting iron in the ocean posted 2 years, 7 months ago 47 Responses

Madness is also Inherited

>> No wonder the gluttons are mad! >>

I tell you

Y'ALL ARE MAD.

You can not live in a toxic dump and not be MAD.

Why do you think the whole world does what it does ?

Sorry to break the news, not only are you mad

BUT

your genes are so corrupted that even your children are born MAD.

Why aren't you concerned, I read the responses, why worry ?????

This world must be annihilated.

omegafour.comOn New report says federal cleanup program wasting away posted 2 years, 7 months ago 6 Responses

Rotten Food

No Thanks....

These guys (IPCC) are just the pits, IMO
Totally toothless clueless corrupted pretenders

>>  transition to new energy sources that come with no climate impacts.>>>

Yes, at least this is correct... NO FOOTPRINT at all.

Tidal power and light-metal reactors.  EASY.
Fuel for cars ? that is easy as well... forget oil and eventually coal.

Forget wind, solar etc  When you want power you need grunt.  

GET REAL, WORLD !!!!

Herald in a NEW World Order based upon sanity and a totally clean environment ... that is what our children deserve and that is what LIFE deserves.

omegafour.com On It's done posted 2 years, 7 months ago 8 Responses

Full Steam Ahead

>>  This isn't really all about money

Go Guys, you have my full support

After studying all options, seeding the oceans is the ONLY way to save humanity.

Remember if civilisation is undermined by conflict, the capacity to effect a solution such as this will be totally lost.

This effort maybe our last chance.

Pray to the GODS...  I thought that this idea would be too "out there" for people to accept... I though it would be years away, and therefore come too late to save civilisation ...

We still need all countries to participate, all ships (all airlines maybe)

Seeding the oceans will have to be carried out over many decades ....

Australia has mountains of iron rich dirt, just the thing to use.

I do wonder though how much dirt will it take to cover the ocean many times over.  

One seeding will not be enough.

omegafour.comOn Putting iron in the ocean posted 2 years, 7 months ago 47 Responses

He is Correct

>> Then as now, a buoyant market throve on fear. The Roman Catholic Church sold indulgences like checks. The sinners established a line of credit against bad behavior and (then) could go on sinning. Today a world market in "carbon credits" is in formation. >>>

Exactly as I feel, ...  greenhouse gas porn at its best.

All money driven, nothing to do with people, LIFE or even conscience.

This Cap'n'Trade BS is cynicism at its most immoral.

Greenhouse gas Armageddon is equally cynical.

Oh well I live in a corrupt mad world .... why would I expect more ?

This world MUST be annihilated.

omegafour.comOn Sigh posted 2 years, 7 months ago 11 Responses

Way to Go

>> Farming Sargasso weed wouldn't be a bad idea >>.

or dumping dust onto the sea

Only way to go guys.....

Best solution I know of, and it will work

either that or extinction !On Putting iron in the ocean posted 2 years, 7 months ago 47 Responses

Maybe True BUT

Grey:  The atmospheric effects you noted can and are happening, but just as the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere are rising (measured).... SO WHAT

Over an above your notes are

# Sea temperature increasing dramatically .... water loses heat via evaporation, so the OCEAN should not be heating so fast

# Global drought is taking hold, so sea water is not evaporating sufficiently, clear skies are becoming entrenched, rain is failing

There is a twofold process occurring

The main and fatal changes are due to an oiled sea.  The greenhouse gas overpressure is balancing the lack of water vapour at present by boosting the heat capacity of the atmosphere ....  

The global climate change problem is very complex, and to undo it is even more difficult.

Oh it will undo itself, but humankind will then be extinct.

omegafour.comOn New Monbiot piece posted 2 years, 7 months ago 31 Responses

BurnBabyBurn

>>> On this planet the fuel is there and dry as a tinder. Enough to burn the whole place.  >>>

Well all who believe, fall down and wail

Ever wondered why the forests are tinder dry ?

This world will burn ..... and what is the combustion product of carbon and oxygen ?
It is only the water vapour in the atmosphere that prevents spontaneous combustion.

More CO2 will be produced from mega-fires than has ever been emitted by puny humankind.  Try carbon trading with trees !  LOL, (except this global warming charade is the worst joke I have ever heard)

The forests are so dry, that firefighters can not fight a fire at its source ... the drought-stressed trees just fall on them.  

LOL, as if CO2 has a 'real' life threatening impact on climate ...  tell me you jest or are you ...

Now an oil layer on the sea is totally invisible, unnatural (anthropogenic), and totally fatal.  

omegafour.comOn New Monbiot piece posted 2 years, 7 months ago 31 Responses

Hey, Stay on Earth !

>>  the Milankovich and other cycles >>

First such cycles are ad hoc explanations.

For an explanation look to the changing salinity of the sea ... and the changing ice cover  ...  and the lagged climatic cycle this interaction produces

The irradiance of the Sun is too constant over any period of time to have much affect on our water cycle.

Remember Earth has WATER !!!!!

The hydrology cycle of the Earth is very reactive in the short term (1,000s years)

So look to methane hydrate and the carbon dioxide trapped in ice... remember CO2 freezes at ice field temperatures.

So what happens when ice melts ?
and when seas are very salty, what happens to the water evaporation rate, and how is water evaporation tied into ice formation ???

then you may understand that CO2 has little to do with anything other than trees et al.

omegafour.comOn CO2 rise lags temperature rise, redux posted 2 years, 7 months ago 15 Responses

FIRE

LOL

What a joke

Y'all worried about CO2

Better put out all those mega forest fires..

No, better still, cut down all the forests NOW, we can afford for them to burn.

LOL

This world has burnt several times in the past

CO2 is NOT THE PROBLEM

omegafour.comOn 'Volcanoes emit more CO2 than humans'--Not even close ... posted 2 years, 7 months ago 31 Responses

Three Points ?

>> But it can be CO2 + other factors  >>

OK, let it be

(a) Then why is the sea heating .... way down to kms below the surface ?

(b) And why is Global Drought taking hold ?

(c) And why are so many places all over the world experiencing so many days almost totally cloud free ?

(d) Please tie (a) (b) and (c) together so that these three points integrate into a coherent climatic picture.

These Qs must be answered with valid details ...

omegafour.com
 On CO2 rise lags temperature rise, redux posted 2 years, 7 months ago 15 Responses

Real Climate is a Load

I could not believe what I read at the links...

No wonder the lay population is only 4% convinved that the end is neigh.

Never read such total BS......

omegafour.com

You want to discuss the points ? .... I would love to !On CO2 rise lags temperature rise, redux posted 2 years, 7 months ago 15 Responses

4%

>> Four percent cited the coming end of the world

LOL, only 4%

well the other 96% must be grossly misinformed !

But you can do something about this... but first you must join the 4%.

The Death of Clouds
omegafour.comOn Poll results! posted 2 years, 7 months ago 5 Responses

Sink and give LIFE a Chance to Live.

>> weary of fighting the dominant paradigm  >>>

I am totally weary of the lies and deceit, the illusion, the delusion and the lack of expertise.

LOL, Reasons given for GCC are so off (target) they have to be a casualty of one-eyed manipulation or a liability cover up.  

The myopic problem is simple... if the adverse effects GCC is not directly in front of the people's face, they really do not want to know, so political action is totally ineffective.

Give GCC another year and they all will be screaming.... LOL, too late my friends.

>> Demand for organic and locally grown food has increased exponentially >>

Once it was all we had, until "wondertoys" took over, and now the world has been turned totally mad by businesses not understanding the science of poisonous substances,... just like the White House politicians... have no understanding of any type of science, even if the intricacies are explained to them in detail.  Just TOO MANY WORDS.

Dr. Hanson >> I don't know anything in our Constitution that says that the executive branch (laypeople, spin doctors) should filter scientific information going to Congressional committees >>>
Filtered or not, there would be no understanding ..... scientists do speak another language.

Democracy is a receipt for total disaster..... What happens to the USA is of no consequence, y'all have made your bed.... BUT YOU GUYS are F'n up the whole world, and it seems y'all really don't give a stuff.

No wonder no one would cry if the USA sank to the bottom of the deep blue sea !

Hey, Green Granny good for you,
but to be sane in an insane world gets an insane label pinned to your apron.  I am with you gel... join the insane club.

omegafour.comOn The seductive lure of toys that promise solutions without change posted 2 years, 7 months ago 39 Responses

All Madness

>>> It is curious that we put the water crisis on the back burner in this way, at least compared to climate change  >>>

yep,....but what seems to be overlooked by the whole world (strange eh???) is that water and global climate change are one and the same thing.

I really have to conclude the world is mad.On A second dispatch from the sea posted 2 years, 7 months ago 2 Responses

Thanks

Thanks for the feedback guys, need all the links I can get to unwind this tragic situation.

More water evaporation, more rain, everywhere.  Obviously not happening.

There is a severe disruption to this process, the Earth's hydrology cycle is broken..

only one explanation that goes back a hundred or so years... OIL

omegafour.comOn Is climate change the most important global problem? posted 2 years, 7 months ago 31 Responses

There is a choice

>> Hotter oceans means more rain that condenses and rains out before it reaches the land.  (Aka less rainfall on land) >>

LOL, joke or what

Hotter oceans mean more water evaporation.

More water evaporation means more cloud.

More cloud means thicker cloud banks.

Thicker cloud banks mean RAINFALL.
on land and on the sea.... the clouds spiral from the tropics down to the polar regions, dropping water as they get denser and colder.

Andrew Eisenberg , global climate change is not innocuous, it will precipitate the end of civilisation.... but IMO, human beings will do this, the GCC will just hasten the process.

If human beings behave as they die of thirst, then the final effects of GCC will be fatal for all LIFE.

Take your pick.

What to do ?

Book "The Death of Clouds"
omegafour.comOn Is climate change the most important global problem? posted 2 years, 7 months ago 31 Responses

Finish

>> to be happening even now in most of Australia >>>
Yes Australia will be a write-off in three years time

>> we will be fighting over table scraps.  >>>>

Already happening in the West and East

>> Global warming does not, in and of itself, do anything bad.  >>>

LOL, global climate change has been upsetting people for over a hundred years..... in the last 3 years it has exploded... in the next 2 years... and then the last year.... GCC will cause mankind to bring an end to civilisation.

Not long to wait.

>> Fighting global warming will never be the fastest or most effective way of reducing any particular harm, at least in the short- or medium-term. >>>

Already many people are fighting, because they have no HOPE, no food and water

True, fixing GCC today would not immediately change tomorrow, but it would change the day after.

IMO, GCC is the world's number ONE
there is nothing more important for the world of LIFE.  Starvation and wars, are but blips on the screen... GCC is equivalent to cutting the power.
FINISH.On Is climate change the most important global problem? posted 2 years, 7 months ago 31 Responses

Time is Fleeting, Talk is Cheap

>>> The free market has had plenty of time to reduce energy consumption on its own  >>>

Hope you are right, BUT I think y'all are totally deluded.

LOL, how about 10 years to phase out coal, oil, gas and all life on Earth.

Each day from a long time ago, the global climate problem becomes more and more intractable.  Even if a solution is found soon enough, there will still be a mammoth fight to the death if LIFE is to survive

There is no time left to talk... the real cause of global climate change is still being DELIBERATELY sidestepped ...... really really pathetic, and unbelievably irresponsible.  
Live now, don't care about the future, eh? LOL

Caught in a trap, and can't get out....All y'all can think about is fuel for your car.

Action NOW
omegafour.comOn Here's what we have to accomplish posted 2 years, 7 months ago 16 Responses

Redirection Needed

<<< Nobody's trying to give us a wedgie. >>

LOL, better wake up then, y'all been hoodwinked.

>> I don't think we should be too quick to welcome those coming over to out side with quack remedies that delay real solution. >>

Define "quack remedies".  Already you are us and them...... no solution there.

Love to know what a "real solution" would be.  

What is YOUR science ? just a gut feeling ?
or are you just clueless and following the clueless leader ?

The unfolding global situation is way too serious for you to remain ignorant.... it is not going to go away, and the talk and inaction in the world will not provide a solution.

This site has failed totally in encouraging and highlighting debate on global climate change.  All proposals I have read here and there, are all children's stories.

The really scary part to all this is
"What will happen when 50% of the world's population does not have enough water to drink ???"

omegafour.com maybe your last chance to redirect your life.On Time to start welcoming rather than bashing eco-newcomers posted 2 years, 7 months ago 19 Responses

Arrogant Ignorance

No debate ! then you only have propaganda..

and so that is all you have and all you will have.

I have asked for the debate, and no doubt others have asked as well.

Big Oil got y'all by the balls!  oooh cars luv'em

too bad, but it does not matter if 99% of y'all just get removed,.... does it ?

Does it matter if all LIFE on Earth is made extinct for a few pieces of sliver ?

LOL

Nah, in the big picture who cares any less.

What you want to survive ?????

see Book
The Death of Clouds
omegafour.comOn It's hard out there for a skeptic posted 2 years, 7 months ago 3 Responses

Stop ! You getting serious ?

Taken a while.....

>> will be initiated within the lifetime of our children.  >>

yes, in YOUR lifetime, like in a few years you will be praying.  This is not an exaggeration, and nor am I trying to be scarry.

>> Humanity has <10 years to avert cataclysm and most U.S. environmentalists simply don't believe it. >>

Humanity HAD 10 years 15 years ago.... now it has nothing

It does not even have the climate science correct.

Can you tell the World to just stop, and we may be able to save the people..... but who will stop??  Nobody listens.  I hear the sounds of distant drums.......

read Book
The Death of Clouds
omegafour.comOn It's time to accept dire climate realities posted 2 years, 7 months ago 16 Responses

What exactly are emissions ?

>> He lied by omission >>
Classic establishment tactics

Hansen is from NASA

I wonder what was the make up of what he termed "emissions".

This point may be the most critical point in his estimations.On 'Hansen has been wrong before'--Maybe, but not about the climate! posted 2 years, 7 months ago 13 Responses

Drunk ?

>>just ignore. >>

Even the drunk in the gutter could save your life, but mostly you could safely ignore a drunk.

But to ignore science is at your own risk.  The world has ignored science...y'all ignore all except "feel good"

and now it is time for the well oiled "feel good" piper to pay up, a simple payment in one installment, maybe with human existence becoming extinct.

Y'all can't complain can you, y'all have been paying the piper and living high on the sweet music ?

omegafour.comOn The innerworkings of it all posted 2 years, 7 months ago 69 Responses

Get ya Blood Flowing

>> Ways to fight it:

Yes that will cure your anxiety and start your blood flowing....

read "Death of Clouds"
omegafour.com

All your worries will be over.On Somehow, I don't feel that bad for you posted 2 years, 7 months ago 39 Responses

Fringe Dweller

>> a single definitive answer..

The answer y'all are looking for is in the Book, "The death of clouds"
A lifeline will be available soon,....... omegafour.com

>> rogue scientists operating as individuals, bravely innovating against all those scientific conformists  >>

yes indeed, Giant step change always comes from the scientific fringes that have been released from conformity..... consensus is often blinded by power.

When the consensus meets the fringes,... this is the only time when science becomes interesting and real.

PS about trolls, they actually are very beneficial, they force argument and counter argument.... the grist of science.

When everyone openly agrees then critical observations definitely have been overlooked.On The innerworkings of it all posted 2 years, 7 months ago 69 Responses

100%

>> Rosenzweig protested and walked.>>>>>> ->

as I would have also done.

The current climatic situation is rapidly unfolding and the human disasters that have so far been experienced are only the beginning of a non linear process maybe its initially an exponential process.

The fatally undermining consequences are NOT an 80% chance, not even a 90% chance

It is 100% certain that civilisation is facing the greatest risk to its existence that it has ever faced.

There is also the highly probable 70-80% chance that the human species will become extinct as well, and a related equally probable chance that the on-flowing negative consequences will lead to LIFE itself becoming extinct.

This is as serious as it gets guys, and discussion is severly and fearfully muzzled.  Inactivating fear can cause the fears feared to be actually manifest.  Scientists can not sit on their hands as the publically fearless ignorant politicians think they can do.... who are they really ? sock puppets of the bottom line.

You the people must stand side to side with the scientists, stand up for your right to live, and for your children's right to live and even for the right of LIFE itself to be able to continue living vibrant and free.On The innerworkings of it all posted 2 years, 7 months ago 69 Responses

Radical Change

I sent the IPCC a note alerting them to the ubiquitous petroleum oil in the marine micro-layered.

I see the IPCC has realised the full impact of this news. News ?, 90 years old news, must have been forgotten.  You must question just what is the state of the world you live in.

Gone are the predictions of steamy weather, gone are the pouring rains, as you can read, global drought and all the induced extreme weather events is the new world weather for the new world order.

This misunderstanding was fatally serious years ago, now it is a laugh.

Its all in the book, "Death of Clouds"
omegafour.com

If this global situation is to be undone then it can not be left to the experts to undo it, can it, for they know not what they do.  Think about it. Now is your life, tomorrow was for the children.

So what is the prognosis now ?  Can we get SERIOUS action together guys ?On As expected, the news is mostly bad, and then worse, and then worse still posted 2 years, 7 months ago 23 Responses

So True LL

>> Nature will always win, one way or another. The question is, how will it affect us? Think about it.>>

yep its in the book, LOL.

omegafour.comOn Lots o' good stuff therein posted 2 years, 8 months ago 12 Responses

Yeah !!!

>> Pelosi in '07

now there's a WOMAN I admire
:) yeahOn So much BS in so few words! posted 2 years, 8 months ago 5 Responses

Poisoned, WHO cares ?

Your society is so full of poisons a few more won't hurt.

Your babies are polluted from the moment of conception with gametocytes toxic to their eyeballs from the mother and the father.... been going on for centuries... and you want to stop it now!!!!

LOL, you got any idea what the "normal" population would do to a sane person today.... LOL, swing high swing low...

Crazy and y'all don't know it
Shouldn't y'all be concerned
Nah... insanity knows no fear nor does it know consequence.

lead, mercury, pesticides, arsenic, cadmium, plutonium.... plastics........dyes......make up...

omegafour.comOn So to speak posted 2 years, 8 months ago 2 Responses

Its in the Book

>> I'm gearing up to make a Youtube reply to Swindle. >>

LOL, well what a fool you will look like by passing on corporate propaganda.

The truth about global climate change, corporate deception and the REAL possibility for the extinction of life on Earth, is about to hit the streets, so you had better get well acquainted with the facts if you wish to be taken seriously.

The consequences of Global Climate Change are far far far worse than you media guys could ever imagine.

omegafour.comOn Helpful hints for global warming deniers posted 2 years, 8 months ago 19 Responses

Peace

The problem is not a precipitous raising of the sea level, this will not occur because the melted ice weight lifted of the Earth will allow global expansion to generally account for the small amount of fresh water inflow into the sea.

However a fresh water crisis is rapidly unfolding, especially in agriculture and in drinking water.

The rise of the thirst level will shock everyone.

And even before you know it your fresh water stocks will become toxic algal soups.

You will not win unless you clean up your act and get the facts straight.  Y'all are being lied to deceived and wasted..... by bastard psychopaths... and you are all too apathetic (they have poisoned you) to complain or even to think of your children.

It all in the book, out soon
omegafour.comOn How high and how fast? posted 2 years, 8 months ago 7 Responses

Wheels are life

Given a little more time and the USA will know nationwide drought. (wonder where the waters gone?)

Y'all want to grow bio fuel, LOL
y'all had better think again, oh sorry, I forgot, your wheels are far more important than food.On Sky Islands getting crispier posted 2 years, 8 months ago 3 Responses

Unintended Consequences

>> Goes to show that sometimes working on one dimension of environmental quality exacerbates another. >>>

The principle of unintended consequence resulting from well intended actions also apply the world's climate. On Unintended consequences? posted 2 years, 8 months ago 46 Responses

U C

>> We are screwed, yes?.. >>

NO !..........New coal plants will help to save us

>> we're f**ked. Full stop >>

well y'all maybe, but some of us are wise and don't live in the Northern hemisphere.

Coal should be your friend until new no-footprint energy technology is brought on line.

Oil is the enemy,,,, YES!

LOL, no?
luv ya car too much ?
can't see the exhaust for the bumpers ?
Can't live on the sea but got a pool ?
so business as usual OK.

omegafour.comOn Still posted 2 years, 8 months ago 8 Responses

Unnatural Event

>> these models were produced using ..... >>

...assumptions that the cause of the global climate change was a natural event.  Oh yes, the level of greenhouse-gases was unnaturally high, but the process of future global climate readjustment it was assumed, was tightly correlated to the same processes that readjusted the overpressure of greenhouse-gases in the past.  

This assumption is erroneous.  Worse, it is fatal, and it does not need to be said, it is just plain BAD SCIENCE.

The petroleum oil in the marine micro layer is NOT NATURAL, and no natural climatic process can be invoked to remedy the consequences of the oil reducing the water evaporation rate.  Negligent business/governments put it there, we must remove it to fix it.... if that is possible.

But hey, THEY know what is happening,,,,, and THEY do not want anyone to see what is really happening.

Big Oil and various governments are conspiring to keep a lid on this. Its a re-run of the tobacco war, where in place of single individual lives being placed at risk, it the very existence of LIFE on Earth that is being placed at risk.

Revolt while you are still able.  Scream your anger from the roof tops.  The end-times are here, and God couldn't care any less.  

Be angry for the children.On 'CO2 doesn't lead, it lags'--Turns out CO2 rise is both a cause and an effect of warming posted 2 years, 8 months ago 43 Responses

Rolling in the Muck

>> Anybody who thinks that wind and solar can meet the world's energy needs without resorting to major baseload generation from other sources is delusional.>>> TRUE

Well all people living on the Earth today are under delusions or illusions.
White man speaks with forked tongue,,,

Propaganda is today's science, see Gore and EXXON Mobil and the political team of interpreters that speak for unknown renowned scientists through a media that has no credibility or morals.

>>> And if you're concerned about GW then nuclear is it. >>>

Yes that is the blinkered logic of people stuck in the past projecting to the future. Same old same old primitive logic...Solution:- Create an energy source that will spread all the radioactivity that the Earth had locked away in trillions of tons of solid rock and concentrate it and spread it over the surface millimeter of this planet... slowly but surely.

You human beings are the most foolish creatures in the Universe.  No animal shits in their own nest.

You guys just love it, rolling in the muck, breathing it in, even spreading it on your toast for breakfast.

LOL, ironic isn't it, y'all will become mutants trying to fix a problem that has been assigned an illusion as a solution.  It won't save you, but it might save Exxon Mobil..... LOL

Once again

Your future energy needs MUST come from a NO FOOTPRINT source. The use of oil must be banned, not the use of coal.

But hey, it really doesn't matter, go back to sleep, sorry to wake you up, extinction of LIFE on this planet is now inevitable.

The major bodies of standing fresh water in the world are not being replenished by rain inflows and the water levels are rapidly falling due to evaporation. The ice sheets are melting and all that fresh water is running to the sea to take cover under the seas resident oil slicks.

This is the start of World Drought Day. Celebration time, come on.

No? well back to your knitting guys, nothing to see here. On Just doesn't (or shouldn't) make sense for conservatives posted 2 years, 8 months ago 38 Responses

Blood on Your Hands

Gore is really an idiot.

Listen to the self proclaimed guru at your own risk

Bah, your risk ????

OUR risk

This must-do list is ludicrous, short sighted and just plain childish.  It will not change the progress of Global Climate Change even slightly.

Y'all had better get out of your dream and into the real world.On All ten of 'em posted 2 years, 8 months ago 13 Responses

The End

LOL, y'all been swindled

Global warming via CO2, Bah, nice for all

Global Drought vis an oil slick...... the end.

There is no use pushing a broken barrow. Pushing CO2 will only desensitize the population even more dramatically when the prognostication come up incorrect.

Flooding rains ! LOL..... where is your next drink of fresh clean clear cool water coming from... the sewage? On Come on, Drudge. You can do better posted 2 years, 8 months ago 15 Responses

Fast Track Farce

>> how did Al Gore get to be considered an authority in the field? >>

Yes indeed, if he is an expert, woe be all of us.

LoL, what a farce.

This game is getting woolier evey minuteOn Come on, Drudge. You can do better posted 2 years, 8 months ago 15 Responses

Your are Right its Futile

>> They confuse and distract the public  >>

The public is ignorant about the science of GCC.

They only see what they see and hear all the contradictions... yes it's called 'desensitizing the public'.

Hey that is the goal of Big OIL... and of Bush n'War with violent TV.

LOL, when people with power allow their morals to be scooped from the gutter, they lie, they misrepresent and blatantly concoct BS, hey these guys win with the public... and win with the money.....

No real scientist can counter these "thought police" who double speak.  So is there any point presenting real data for discussion to the public?

I am rapidly coming to the conclusion,... if the public are so stupid because they never listened in school, well they deserve their fate.

Now to the minority that care for the future, you had better thoroughly dissect all suggestions, because the BS is starting to come thick and fast.

This is WAR.

But, hey, you will always be outnumbered by the ignorant masses, so have you got the stamina to be another Martin Luther King.

Don't Panic.On Tedious posted 2 years, 8 months ago 11 Responses

Good Logic

OK, I see your reasoning, good points, sorry to think you were a toxic plant. Forgive me.

But the problem is NOT greenhouse gases, they are trivial compared to water vapour.

>> The main rise in temperature recently occurred in the early part of the 20th century >>

yes WW1 and WW2, and lately the burning of Kuwait

These autrocities, released massive amounts of oil onto the seas....

Oil on water reduced water evaporation and thus "warming".....
I won't go on
see
omegafour.comOn An international poll points to a window of opportunity for U.S. leadership. posted 2 years, 8 months ago 9 Responses

Don't reply Jabailo

LOL, you are obviously a toxic plant, byeOn An international poll points to a window of opportunity for U.S. leadership. posted 2 years, 8 months ago 9 Responses

dumbfounded

>>>triumph of sane real scientists over the Antropogenic Global Warming poli-scientists >>>

No wonder the world is doomed. On Facts alone will never cut it posted 2 years, 8 months ago 45 Responses

Long Rant, sooorrrry

DR, your perspective is correct, and I should know !  Communication is very hard from scientist to layperson... if not impossible.

>> Those not swayed by facts are intellectually, possibly morally, deficient>>

Well, err yes this is true.  But it could be that the "facts" are only really "opinions", and therefore are not necessarily true.  People en mass are not dumb oxen, they can see logical connections and they can see their unfolding everyday experiences.  The people just need to be told the truth and not just the belief formed from poorly analysed data.

>> The facts have been firmly established, and placed clearly before The People. >>

No, the facts re GCC are quite controversial, and IMO, the established facts are misplaced.  

GCC Propaganda needs to tie in what the people are experiencing and give them sound reasons for the changes that are being seen to happen
and follow that with detailed projections to the future and then let then watch them unfold....

Good science is capable of predicting the future quite accurately.

In this way enough sensible people will create mass discussion and the momentum for action will grow rapidly..... because the future projections will be unfolding before their eyes.

Get the science correct and the people will understand and follow.

Feed them BS and "you can fools some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all of the time".... the BS eventually comes unstuck and then people get sceptical and disbelieve.

>> whether something counts as a "crisis" is obviously an undefined mix of fact and value judgment. It's not a scientific question. >>

Usually this is the case... most of the time "a do nothing approach" resolves an issue one way or another. This is because most if not all issues  even a "crisis" really are insignificant in the scheme of things, so doing nothing or something does not really matter, unless you desperately what a specific result.

OK, doing, acting, really does imply being alive and able.... if this is universally not the case, if we are all dead, if LIFE here has become extinct, then a call to act to prevent extinction or do nothing is rather important.  It is much more than a "crisis".  

But again, really in the scheme of things it makes no difference to LIFE, it only makes a difference to human beings.

This is the KEY, extinction or existence.  Global Climate Change as described by very poor science, only projects adverse changes.... LOL.... not extinction.

Make that pseudoscience real science and it will project extinction, and you will see a massive change of attitude, because all of us want better for OUR children,,,, LOL, forget the others. (as if)

I am sorry to say, the whole world's population is metal poisoned, and needs putting in hospital, but even mad people usually want a future for THEIR children.

Discussion is good via the Internet. Face to face encounters with mad people is dangerous, they show me how mad they are quite quickly.

Discussion is good because all relevant facets of the enquiry come to the fore, and arguments for or against can be skillfully honed by the feedback. And the opponent is on the other side of the puter screen !!!!!!! (ultimately important) LOLOn Facts alone will never cut it posted 2 years, 8 months ago 45 Responses

Good News

Give the citizens of this world one more year and when I call revolution, they will stand as one and demand immediate action.

The horse has long bolted, but human beings have power, and if the oceans have to be A-Bombed then so be it.

It might be the only way out of this mess which has been created by people who think they know... That is just not good enough when it comes to the survival of civilisation. BASTARDS.On An international poll points to a window of opportunity for U.S. leadership. posted 2 years, 8 months ago 9 Responses

Action is Impossible

>> the models are wrong >>

They are so unbelievably wrong it really isn't funny anymore.

If the people knew what really is going on, and how impossible it is to fix the climate problem, I fear for civilisation.

The authorities, the media, forums such as this, have been pushing BS for so long that they all believe their own propaganda.

Meanwhile the situation has become critical ( oh it was about 10 years ago) and denial and I believe total fear now has created such inertia that mitigating action will now be impossible.  The leaders and their proxies are completely culpable.

But hey, good call, THEY have passed blame onto everyone, BASTARDS.

Such is the state of play.On 'Climate sensitivity is not very high'--Thermal inertia of the oceans means the jury is still out posted 2 years, 8 months ago 2 Responses

Can You Believe These Guys ?

Wisdom of Solomon

>>> models predict warming of ocean surface waters, as is now observed; >>>

Yes the seas are heating but
LOL what model ?????  The Global Warming based upon the greenhouse gases model is one drawn from historical data of natural events (ie high salinity sea)
but the current climatic situation is not natural
You can not appeal to past events to model the future in this case.

If CO2 was to blame for GCC,,,, Then if the sea heated up, guess what, water evaporation would increases thus cooling the sea, and the cloud cover would increase, thus cooling the sea.

To actually heat the sea is rather difficult because there are so many checks and balances

The only way the sea can be heated is by preventing water evaporation,,,,, heat then has to stay bound to the water, cloud cover would diminish and so causing a further heating of the sea.
In the past high sea salinity preceded an Ice age.... today the inhibitor of sea water evaporation is a petroleum oil film.

Nice to see selected BS being quoted as proof THEY have their act together.
More like the Laurel and Hardy buffoons.
 On 'Climate models are unproven'--Actually, GCM's have many confirmed successes under their belts posted 2 years, 8 months ago 13 Responses

Eyes Wide SHUT

Pursuing short term goals at this stage of Earth deterioration is a regressive myopic reaction rather than a pro-action to save this world.

Get this straight, no amount of half arsed measures will change the rate of the slide into extinction.

We need massive continuous power, and ON DEMAND.

We need to ban oil use.

The establishment MUST develop new technology that completely replaces coal and oil use in one system, from cars to industry, to small town/village applications.

A prototype needs to be built and all efforts should be towards this new energy source.  A common world wide energy source where excess energy can be physically stored or traded.

$500 million on solar is another step towards the cliff's edge.  With the amount of money being wasted on being pseudo green, this planet could have redeemed itself by now.  

But you ain't seen the whites of Global Climate Change's eyes yet !!!

LOLOn Hard sell? Maybe not posted 2 years, 8 months ago 4 Responses

Public Fed BS

Worried? Who would be worried about a slow warming... I will just go swimming !
Hey wait a minute, the levy is dry, and no whisky and rye !

Now I am worried about no water.... mmmh that really is something to worry about.

If the public knew the truth for the cause of Global Climate Change, they will be rising in their masses and forcing governments to get real.

It will happen, not long to wait now.On Public divided over whether costly steps are needed posted 2 years, 8 months ago 3 Responses

Action

>> I just don't get why we,......(aren't)..... developing solutions and making and encouraging serious lifestyle changes.>>>>

Well it's the ghost in the machine.  Deep inside everybody knows its the end.  For most it is inevitable..... for some, the frustration of the nihilist momentum of the mass is too much to bear, and they commit suicide. "What can I do alone" they say.

You see, the human population is mentally poisoned by bio toxic substances, they are medicated, sedated and are happy for their fate.  The children ?, who cares for the children, no not like YOUR children, but the new generation children. NO One.

There is much we can do... but no one is listening. Its like reading a book, and forgetting the last page's contents, so then re-reading... ad infinitum.  It is too hard, too many words... just toooo unbelievable.

Anyone interested in helping me write a book ?
A story of HOPE.

[b]I have hope[/b] you see, I am not medicated.... I removed these psycho toxic everyday poisons from my body and brain 40 years ago.

I think we can have a go, but I call for revolution.  The inertia of the masses must be countered.

We have mind to mind communication (Internet), we could organise like never before... this really is the end times unless we act cooperatively.

john.caley@gmail.com
omegafour.comOn Global warming is going to f*ck us all kinds of up posted 2 years, 8 months ago 8 Responses

Truth Hurts

No I am a scientist, I really do say it as it is, like it or not.

I have no sides, only my mother LIFE  

People take sides...... not me.On Are we willing to accept global warming in exchange for cheap energy? posted 2 years, 8 months ago 15 Responses

No Morality Left

what should one expect ?

no morality left when the wallet is filled.
LOL, Money won't save you, that is certain.

Disgusting to even be having a choice between do nothing and acting to save LIFE on this planet.

Some areas of this world need removing.On Come gaze at your navel for a while posted 2 years, 8 months ago 17 Responses

Totally too Late

>> if we set things up so our decendents would not have to cope with political upheaval, starvation, and perhaps the collapse of civilization.>>>

why is it too late ?

LOL, y'all (including scientists) can't even come to a conclusion re the cause of Global Climate Change that best fits the science.

Y'all are in total denial, y'all totally discount tomorrow. A world full of fantasy, illusion and delusion.  Yay for the fair!

Civilisation as we know it is doomed, so how are you going to survive with your swimming pools dry, your SUVs rusting and all your food gone?

Do you know how to light a fire with two sticks ?On Come gaze at your navel for a while posted 2 years, 8 months ago 17 Responses

Debate: Bring it on

The first step to solving any problem is to pin point the cause.
An open debate with "Global Climate Change and its proposed causes", as its subject.

But you must realise cars can not have an exhaust emission, and all our energy must be clean electricity generated by the spin of the Earth, which then is stored in salt.

If we are to continue to exist on this planet to be able to colonise other worlds we must leave no footprint on the environment.

All the talk of "the alternative fuels" are all in the same basket as oil.

no oil.On Come gaze at your navel for a while posted 2 years, 8 months ago 17 Responses

Unbelievable Rubbish

Kerry Emanuel's composition is a mixture of standard cosmology, climatology and total rubbish.

Nicely written but it is so far from the logic of science it is laughable.

>> Kerry Emanuel is a professor of meteorology at MIT >>>

woo woo science from a Professor... well that defines the state of play, and now I understand why the establishment has become totally mentally deranged.

Give up all ye that had hope.On Some call for action posted 2 years, 9 months ago 17 Responses

Take Big Oil to the cleaners

>> The strategy we need is to elect a government that will dedicate its focus to renewable energy sources,>>

Absolutely, SALT is the way forward, no footprint.

>> it's all just too primitive to even care. >>>

Indeed it is, but will anyone listen ?
And unless you are a big polluter who has the money to take these primitive practices to task.

The Big Oil group should be stripped of assets, and fined until skint, then that resource needs to be invested in salt.On This one in North Carolina posted 2 years, 9 months ago 21 Responses

Fools Rush It Out

Coal burning must be increased if we are to escape from the full consequences of Global Climate Change.

Why?, because it pumps water into the atmosphere as well as carbon dioxide... yes the other nasties are nasty and should be scrubbed out....

Carbon dioxide you say ????? yes, a greenhouse gas, but this will also cause the air to hold more water. We must rehydrate the atmosphere to create clouds.

The petroleum oil in the surface marine micro-layer is reducing water evaporation into the atmosphere.

So in part burning coal (greenhouse gases) is holding severe consequences at bay.

Remove this buffer and well..full blown drought will surely follow
No food, no water, no hope... what will the population of the world do then ???

WAR, plain and simple.

Get the facts straight, y'all are in TOTAL DENIAL.
see http://omegafour.com/forum/On This one in North Carolina posted 2 years, 9 months ago 21 Responses

Call You Out

>> Let's see, a thousand or more peer reviewed articles >>

all inconceivably INCORRECT !!!!!!!!

yes I am up to a debate, not hiding anything.

Now where is YOUR proof ?On Same as it ever was posted 2 years, 9 months ago 37 Responses

To hit a bullseye, aim is important

Hi Terry
Your heart is in the right place. I just thought that you might not know that your agenda will only cause pain and maybe even exacerbate the climatic problems.

Crucial to any action to remediate a problem is a correct analysis of the problem and then the debate about how to fix it can start.

Yes I know 100000000 scientists world over state that global climate change is due to greenhouse gases.... this is obvious, we can factually measure the slow increase of carbon dioxide etc...

BUT, yes you guessed it, they are ALL WRONG.
Why they have overlooked the sea, is an enigma for me, but they have
so I will just alert you to some facts
Here is my standard form

>> Global Climate Change is not due to greenhouse gases, but is due to an ubiquitous micro layer of anthropogenic petroleum oil overlaying all the waters of the world.

This micro layer is inhibiting evaporation of sea water, leading to less cloud formation, which then mimics global warming through a clear sky phenomena.

There is no way out of this problem unless we act now.

The Northern Hemisphere is decoupled from the Southern Hemisphere, BUT
all research is Northern hemisphere oriented.

The great land masses in the Northern Hemisphere will take a while to be dried.
Complicating the picture in the Northern hemisphere is the inflow of fresh water ice melt which overlays the salt water leading to slightly
increased water evaporation in some areas of the Northern hemisphere.

Consequently marginally greater rainfall may be seen in the Northern Hemisphere.

The Southern Hemisphere should be the laboratory, for in this region the consequences of the inhibition of the evaporation rates by the sea
water oil micro layer can be fully correlated to water evaporation and cloud cover. And this is obvious now in places such as Australia.  The
Northern hemisphere has a while before Global Drought hits the Northern Hemisphere hard.

I wish to warn you that trying to remove the greenhouse gases will be very dangerous.
The Earth is on an artificial knife edge, teetering towards a massive Ice Age.

To undo what mankind has done is going to take a whole world effort, BUT the undoing must be carried out in the correct order.

What information you may think you can rely on that is drawn from past palaeoclimatology is next to totally (misleading even) useless.  The
Global Climate Change is an entirely unnatural event.

There is no room for even a slight miscalculation. There are many remedial measures we can take, but these must be fully considered and based upon a sound understanding of the anthropogenic predicament this world finds itself in.

From a continuing analysis see
http://omegafour.com/forum/
Please use this information responsibly

PS Coal use MUST be continued, and even increased since the so called greenhouse gases are somewhat protective in this case.  The oil layer on the sea must be removed and further inflows of oil prevented.  It is only then that the greenhouse gas concentration in the atmosphere should be lowered.

Yours
John Caley >>

I know it is unwise to believe me without proof but there is evidence for what I claim, drawn from NASA and from ALL marine micro layer biologist's reports.  

two quotes

>> Data from visual observations (about 100,000) and chemical analyses of marine water samples (several thousands) from all regions of the world's oceans were analyzed. The presence of dissolved and emulsified oil hydrocarbons in surface waters in concentrations of up to several µg/l (and in regions of increased petroleum pollution - up to several mg/l) was revealed everywhere. >>>

>> Over 700 million gallons of oil is estimated to be released into the environment per year.
http://seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov/OCEAN_PLANET/HTML/peril_oil_ ... On My presidential platform calls for clean air and no war. What about yours? posted 2 years, 9 months ago 23 Responses

Gored to Death by an Oil Bull

" Gore's mansion, [20-room, eight-bathroom] located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).

In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.

The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh--more than 20 times the national average.

Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh--guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore's average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore's energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.

Gore's extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore's mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.

"As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk to walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use," said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.

In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.

For Further Information, Contact:
Nicole Williams, (615) 383-6431
editor@tennesseepolicy.org http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm >>>>

Wake up, y'all are being conned, and
you are shouldering the shame of this world's disaster (oiled waters) which should rightly be dumped upon Big Oils turf.  Gore is Big Oil's stooge.On Starts with an Al posted 2 years, 9 months ago 7 Responses

Gored to death

Sick to death of Gore... an oil man as well
Pulled the wool over all of your eyes....

All the prospects are puppets, none lie straight in bed.On Laugh. Groan. posted 2 years, 9 months ago 1 Response

"Bring it on"

>> part of us actually wants to see it happen.>>

Totally correct... many people I interview say exactly that.

Why ?  Well human beings are just part of the super-organism LIFE and LIFE really calls the shots from deep within your subconscious.... innate directives.

And LIFE has already seeded, therefore LIFE has no use for us anymore, and we know it. We know the end for an annual organism.

From a short while ago, we are now really on our own like never before, and of course we must blow it, and innately we know it.

Well some news, if we could counter the metal metal poisoning (as if) there is a perennial option, we could go forth into the night.... but that's my battle, and really I know but I don't know how to turn the inevitable, the drive of the masses.

But I will keep being annoying, just for the sake of the children.

But really it does not matter.On Fun with evolutionary psychology posted 2 years, 9 months ago 11 Responses

Madness to make us all suffer

wow, has Big Oil made a killing,..... coal, the only viable way out of this mess created by Big Oil, is being shut down slowly but surely.  And by people professing to love the Earth, LOL, how ironic, and never a word about oil.

Y'all love your cars eh???????????

Innuendo, poor science and scare mongering propaganda once again shows how badly democracy operates in reality.

But it looks like WWW111 will really shut LIFE down on this planet and it won't be oil after all, so one might as well except the ignorance and deceit.

Walk away, and nuke-em all, eh.  

Even after all the struggle to advance life this far, it will be mental metal poisoning that wins in the end.... exactly as the default annual option of LIFE would have it.  

The intelligence of the human race it seems was just not sufficient for LIFE here to become a perennial super-organism.

I will watch this new theatre unfold from the far side of the Moon.On This is huge posted 2 years, 9 months ago 21 Responses

2100 to 2200

Madness, your world has only a few years left of viable agriculture..... and you will do nothing except talk your time away.

Oh well, LIFE is in it's death throes already so I expect a rotting future is all one can expect.

No use even posting this post is there.On Debate shifting post-IPCC report posted 2 years, 9 months ago 29 Responses

Woolen Eyewear

>>> depends on too many processes that are poorly understood or little monitored >>>

Oh it is so complex oh dear!!! the main parameter for world climate disaster has been completely hidden from view !

Overlooked you say... LOL, no it is in the basement 1000 km below the surface of Alpha Centauri.

Wonder why something known since 1930 and reported very often in every marine micro-layer study has been entirely neglected...

Oh way to complex... or way too sinister and unbelievably expensive, and the liability way to damning.

One simple parameter other than solar heat drives this planet's climate cycle and that is water evaporation.

The heart and soul of our climate cycle has been ripped out by the oil companies and their legacy of world wide marine oil pollution..

Better address the problem, NOW

No use ignoring my posts... that won't solve the problemOn A coastal geologist explores the flaws in modeling nature posted 2 years, 9 months ago 3 Responses

Too Late

Mental/metal poisoning is ubiquitous in the people living in Western societies, much more so than in the "primitive" societies.

So much more so that the label MADNESS can be tagged to their behaviour.

But they are all "normal" to each other, LOL, they slap each other's back and grasp greedily for salvation which they surely will never receive.

Step back from the brink America, for you know not what you do.

But mad people never know they are mad, so sadly unless you front up to hospital nothing can be done.

It is too late.On Chlorine plants receive polluting awards posted 2 years, 9 months ago 2 Responses

No Idea

These guys are dangerous

Quote of the Century

>>>> According to Andrew E. Dessler of the Texas A & M University writing in 'The Science and Politics of Global Climate Change', "Human activities do not control all greenhouse gases, however. The most powerful greenhouse gas in the atmosphere is water vapour, he says,
"Human activities have little direct control over its [water vapour] atmospheric abundance, which is controlled instead by the worldwide balance between evaporation from the oceans and precipitation." >>>>>>

Puny human beings, well we have destroyed the world, a simple layer of oil on the seas has disrupted the water evaporation cycle.

I grow really tired of experts that really have no idea at all, and yet they hold sway over scientific progress.

REALLY TIREDOn A new essay from the man posted 2 years, 9 months ago 4 Responses

A waste of mental energy

>> most of the stuff we do has such a small impact. Recycle, reuse, on and on.  >>

This is what Big Oil wants you to do, become a guilt ridden consumer... spread the blame away from Big Oil

>>Over 700 million gallons of oil is estimated to be released into the environment per year.>>
http://seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov/OCEAN_PLANET/HTML/peril_oil_ ...

Note the word peril-oil-pollution
and this satellite estimated amount is thick oil, slick oil.... there is many magnitudes more oil existing on the oceans as a ubiquitous resident invisable micro layer of several molecules thick.

It is also known that an oil membrane reduces water evaporation... basic to the formation of clouds, rain, sun shields etc.

It is all on the public record so why the diversion to puny greenhouse gases?

The world knows but no one is talking, WHY ?
Because we can not do anything about it.

You can not do anything of use re Global Climate Change... except by not adding to the oil pollution on the oceans.

This oil pollution, the micro layer of oil on the oceans, is caused by Big Oil, it is Big Oil's responsibility... but hey you don't want to know that do you!

Go on, play out your guilt role, if it makes you feel better, ...it will absolve you so you won't be interested in the truth.

But you could GET MAD and scream.... and direct your anger and sense of betrayal to the cause of the Earth's woes, Big Oil.
(PS Gore et al are all greasy)

see http://omegafour.com/forum/On On eco-friendly transport for the not-so-rich posted 2 years, 9 months ago 23 Responses

Correlation is NOT Causation

>> this kind of "precipitation event" is exactly the scenario scientists predict for a warming planet. >>>

This is a projection from past interglacial periods... yes this occurs only in a natural setting.

Today such observations are not linked to natural events.... for what is happening today (oil film inhibition of water evaporation) has NEVER happened on Earth at any time in history.  It is a totally unnatural event, and all indications from past climatic events are at best misleading, at worst, dangerous if not fatal.

Such observations indicate a Global Cooling cycle is in place, and this is supported by many observations from high altitude climate recording sites.

Global Warming is a Big Oil myth..... y'all see it everyday there is a cloudless clear sky ! But it is an illusion.

LOL, the difference between correlation and causation is the substance of science.

But y'all do not want to discuss science, only obvious correlations..... sad really in 2007. On Rhetorical cheapshots from a usual suspect posted 2 years, 9 months ago 3 Responses

UCS Big Oil Clients

>> Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) >>

I would not place any credibility in this group of Big Oil clients.

They are not willing to discuss their science.  They present smoke and mirrors.

Filtered smoke? no, LOL, more like smoking a brick.

The whole of the net access has become rock solid with total NON DISCUSSABLE propaganda.

Confront, if they are willing to talk, then OK
otherwise you know they are spin doctors for Big Oil or business in general.

It appears there is only one site on the net for  unbiased science of Global Climate Change, see
http://omegafour.com/forum/
On Smells like menthol to me posted 2 years, 9 months ago 2 Responses

Ice Ages need Heat

>> thermal lag caused by the oceans>>>

That trapped heat has massive potential to disrupt civilisation, because the ocean heat must be lost via evaporation (whenever that can occur) and the result of that process is cloud banks.

It is the cloud banks that deliver the ice and snow for an Ice Age to occur.  Heat drives an Ice Age, not cold.

Tis somewhat interesting that AD, a climate scientist remains silent....... something to hide Andrew?On Just as misleading as the old round posted 2 years, 9 months ago 15 Responses

Go Now Go Hard.

>> get behind the people like Andrew who have media access and try to convince them with facts (that they can then use) that a titanic effort on the scale of WW2 war production is necessary now. >>

If only sanity would prevail.On Op-ed on the IPCC and climate change posted 2 years, 9 months ago 10 Responses

Facts need no belief

>> Zarkov doesn't much believe in computer calculations of molecular structures, and a whole bunch of other Buck Rogers stuff >>

In these cases the programs are programmed to match experimental observations.  This is science.
For there combinations and permutations can proceed, BUT the results must always match further experimental investigation into the models generated.  This is a recursive process, and mistakes are used to reprogram.

.. if you measure vapor pressure in the boundary layer near the ocean surface it pretty much matches Clausius-Clapyron, ...

Yes the atmosphere will contain the correct amount of water vapour and that amount is to do with gravity and temperature equating to pressure.

This has nothing to do with the oil layer, the atmosphere would be at this time still saturated, as there are clouds in some areas and there is rain and dew still occurring.  While these observations remain, water vapour pressure at the surface of the Earth will remain quite constant.

As a confusing issue, much of the waters of the Northern Hemisphere have an overlay of fresh water from glacial ice melt.  Fresh water with an oil layer evaporates faster than sea water without the oil layer.  But this is a transient situation.  

Already there is evidence of the formation and maintenance of ultra dry ribbons of air occurring at high altitude, 3 km.

When the land has sufficiently dried and the clouds do not form anymore then you will find the water vapour content of the atmosphere will fall to very low levels.

Just be aware that the IPCC report had a bias towards the observations drawn from the Northern Hemisphere.  There is a much larger land mass to resupply the water vapour for the hydrology cycle, and because of the ice melt, maybe even slightly more.

However the Southern Hemisphere shows an entirely different picture, one of land baking, and clear skys.  Just the picture that should have been analysed, as this is the typical outcome of an oiled sea, and would show what the Northern Hemisphere will have to look forward to.

The data input and the concepts drawn by the IPCC are entirely bad science.

So bad in fact that one might accuse them of playing the Big Oil card.On Op-ed on the IPCC and climate change posted 2 years, 9 months ago 10 Responses

Shot in the Head

>> But uncertainty is no reason to delay action. >>>

ACTION !, even if it precipitously drops us into an Ice Age , on so large a scale that extinction is most likely.

ACTION, remove greenhouse gases at LIFE's peril.

You guys really have no idea what you are playing in the sandpit with !!!!!!!!!!!!!

STOP, and reconsider, look again at the observational evidence, and wipe that oil screen from your eyes.

This is not the time in history for the world to go into denial.

I will point out in the remediation stages,
[i]burning[/i] [b]coal[/b] [i]will be necessary to stabilise the atmospheric humidity[/b].  

No industry will be affected.

I do not like coal, because of the mercury emissions, but mercury vapour is a natural excretion of the mantle, and at this stage of Global Climate Change, we need a higher air temperature to evaporate more water.  By all means clean up coal but it is not necessary yet, unless you wish to use coal long into the future.

WE must muzzle petroleum oil, its use and its transport, and places where it is drawn must be scrutinised.On Op-ed on the IPCC and climate change posted 2 years, 9 months ago 10 Responses

Thats Funny

I'm a worm with a peach, I just grin and bore it.On Bush rewrites history again posted 2 years, 9 months ago 2 Responses

Sea Level Hoax

IMO sea levels will not rise significantly, at least not as projected.

just another scare campaign from people who do not understand that many hidden forces will come into play as the ice melt continues.  For one the salinity of the sea is increasing towards the South Pole, therefore more snow will fall in that area.

There are only two observable but rapidly changing parameters that can be identified at this stage, and they are
# rising sea water temperature and # land dryness, both precipitated by the loss of cloud cover. On And what should that tell us? posted 2 years, 9 months ago 1 Response

Lead where ?

Greenhouse gases maybe be the only thing standing in the way of a catastrophic deep freeze.

I will say this one more time

There are two observations that do not support the Global Warming concept, and they are drying air and heating seas.

Normally air water vapour content and sea water evaporation go hand in hand but by observation they have had a divorce.

This can not be caused by greenhouse gases because a hotter air will evaporate more sea, and a new equilibrium will be reached which will be a wetter climate, with more clouds.

What is observed can only be cause by a disruption to the Earth's hydrology cycle, the sea water has a reduced evaporation rate. This inhibition has been identified long ago and this inhibitor still remains today.

It is an oil film. It is totally man made, totally unnatural and totally fatal if left unchecked.

Oh you can switch to coal, dirty but not too bad, our industry does not have to grind to a halt, but you can't use oil anymore.

Eventually coal must be phased out as the oil slick is SLOWLY removed.

But we must start on the oil first. this is an imperative, if we want to maintain civilisation.

We are playing with a lot of unknowns in this problem.

To remove CO2 and leave the oil... not good.  To avert the impending ice age, we must have the science correct and we must do the undoing in the correct order.

As it is the consensus of proposed action will only make the Global Climate Change much much worse.  It may even swing the equilibrium into a totally new downward phase.

Stick to your greenhouse gases... I am only the messenger.  But in that case, please call me Cassandra.On A new path forward for climate change campaigners posted 2 years, 9 months ago 11 Responses

Futile RANT

This world has gone completely nuts... do I care?

DANGER do not remove the so called greenhouse gases.

To unravel the problem of Global Climate Change will require considerable thought. The problem is not greenhouse gas but a HOT ocean and the oil membrane.

To rapidly remove the oil membrane (as if we can) will bring on a disaster, read massive Ice Age, as never seen before.

To remove the green house gases will lead to a precipitous cooling....

To leave the climatic situation as it is will only make the final consequences much more bleak.

We must play one climatic change cause against the other and slowly bring the health of the atmospheric climate and the sea, back to a natural state and in equilibrium.

The science projected by the world's leaders is dismal and dangerous.
But Mental/Metal poisoning is rife and I am sure no one will listen to sanity.

Too bad, this Earth was a nice place to live. On Game over? Hardly. posted 2 years, 9 months ago 10 Responses

Ignore me at your own peril.

As I have been trying to warn you
Global warming is an artifact, the real concern is an impending Ice Age precipitated from a hot ocean and the inflow of fresh water from melt.  This is how natural ice ages are caused.

The rub here is the resident oil layer, this will push the oscillation to extremes further than any natural situation.
A MASSIVE ICE AGE will follow
and the fools want to cut greenhouse gases!

MY this world is mentally challenged.

Get the science correct and may be something can be done.
BUT ignore me at your own peril.On Be afraid posted 2 years, 9 months ago 1 Response

Evaporation:- Clouds

Zane Davis at Terry has a image collage of clouds.....
see http://www.terry.ubc.ca/index.php/2006/03/04/evaporation/ ...

Do You Remember?
The sky was once filled with cloud, sometimes the cloud was so thick the sky was black.

Now day after day clear skies dominate.

You can feel the temperature difference between a clear sky day and a cloudy day.

On a clear sky day you can feel the sunshine burning your skin, making you feel uncomfortable and driving you into shade. And yet the air temperature in the shade seems so cold and uninviting.

In the past on a cloudy day the occasional break in the clouds allowed sunshine to fall on your skin, but then it was so comfortable and comforting. You could sun-bake and feel good.

At night clear skies allow atmospheric heat to rapidly escape to space, so the nights become a deep freeze.

In the day clear skies bake the ground along with all life forms.

So the days become hot and the nights freezing.

Man what have you done?On An insider's view posted 2 years, 9 months ago 1 Response

please-just-give-up-so-we-can-stop-making-fun-of-u

>>>You should check all sides of a story before you make a very strong conclusion. >>>

Toxics have sent the world's minds into a spin, a stupidity spin.  
The oil companies do not want released what they already know, and scientists are only as good as their data.

But at least the spin today is sounding more grave.
But oil is entirely left out of contention, even down to the computer models on climate.  LOL what a f'nmess.

>> please-just-give-up-so-we-can-stop-making-fun-of-you >>

OKOn Opinions on the Fourth Assessment Report posted 2 years, 10 months ago 14 Responses

Controlling creatures

Time is fleeting and madness is taking control!!!!!!!!!

Well, just found out that my post alerting One Degree Blog to the oil water membrane has been pulled.

It was published on the net for a few days... now it is no more...

POLITICAL.... interference in science and placing the world's population at risk.

very interesting.  This is my first experience of blatant political interference.  There will be more.

And y'all want to fight these creatures ??????????

Well I will until the end, what about youOn What should we do about it? posted 2 years, 10 months ago 10 Responses

Mad Nuclear Obsession

Sodium technology is clean, and sea water desalination can be a byproduct,
so why go nuclear ?

I don't want a nuclear reactor near me, and most people would say no as well, whereas sodium technology can be used in any built up area, and with complete safety. No only that the technology allows energy to be stored and even exported as the storage form.

Why this mad obsession with nuclear ?On Grim posted 2 years, 10 months ago 4 Responses

No "Soothsaying Exercise"

from link

>> Global warming likely will result in somewhat drier winters and less snowpack for the Sierra; strong El Niños, also predicted in most current global warming projections, mean wetter, warmer winters for the North State. I've tried to reconcile these two seemingly disparate projections in this piece. >>

It is not possible to rationalise drought and a wetter environment using present accepted reasons for Global Climate Change.  Continuing prolonged and intensifying drought is the main observation.

No wonder, this author failed to be even slightly be enlightening.

Go along in the crowd of punters, that is the most comfortable, until you find yourself in free fall as you go over the cliff edge along with the rest of the punters.On Grim posted 2 years, 10 months ago 4 Responses

Pace of Change

from article
>> "This phenomenon -- of an island all of a sudden appearing out of nowhere and the ice melting around it -- is a real common phenomenon now." >>

This gives an idea of the pace of the climate change, however this is just the beginning of a sharply upward oscillation of the pendulum, so the next round of changes will be even more extreme.

If you look to the tropics, you will not detect such a degree of climate change.

Now carbon dioxide is atmospheric, and it is diffuse over the entire atmosphere, so the so called greenhouse global warming effects should be happening in all places.  Sadly they are not, sadly I say because a carbon dioxide problem is negligible, we could fix it tomorrow.  Just stop polluting and accept survival.

However the indications are that an overpressure of carbon dioxide can not account for the climatic changes and very very sadly all indications point to the climatic changes that would be expected from a world wide micro layer of petroleum oil on the surface of the seas, oceans, lakes etc.

The expected changes are happening before our eye.

If action is not taken NOW the consequences may become terminal.

This talk of an overpressure of carbon dioxide has diverted your attention from the real issue, which is something that is invisible, insidious and can be terminal for higher life forms on this planet.

A micro layer of oil on water inhibits evaporation of the water.  Quite thin invisible layers of oil inhibit the water evaporation rate, and this loss of evaporated water (worldwide) to the atmosphere  reduces cloud cover. The removal of cloud allows more sunshine which increases the day's maximum temperature... =warming both day and night.

But (as to falsifiabilty) the temperature range value should be changing to some new equilibrium value.
The temperature range is the difference in degrees between the maximum temperature minus the minimum temperature.

TEST

This value should be getting larger as the spread to desert conditions takes hold. A rising temperature range value is an indication of a drier environment.

Th value should be falling if the climatic changes are caused by an overpressure of carbon dioxide. An expected falling value is because the worldwide atmosphere should become more humid, which moderates day and night air temperatures. This is because the water in the air stores heat.

All observed climatic changes support oil on the seas as the underlying cause of current climatic changes, as well as an observed widening of the temperature range in any area.

To remove this layer of oil will take a whole world co-ordinated effort.  But I suppose we could start at home by filters on exhausts, removal of stray oil leaks, yea
but this has to be treated in the serious category of invasion (of our own making) nevertheless this has the potential to throw this world into a massive ice age and it may already be past the point in time when we could have done something about it.

We better get it right, mate.
On Overreacts to global warming posted 2 years, 10 months ago 15 Responses

Hydrogen Gas- No way

It is envisaged by many that hydrogen will be carried in the way gasoline is carried... ie ready to use and in a tank.

In the case of hydrogen I have seen many proposals from, compressed gaseous hydrogen to liquid hydrogen.

STUPID, IMO.

Hydrogen is a great fuel supplement.

I have worked on hydrogen as a fuel for IC engines for over 30 years.... and yes there is a way forward here, that is a fuel fill as convenient as filling up your tank with gasoline,,,, in that you do not use a gas, nor do you use a cold liquid (energy wasteful)

and you do not burn your fuel to make a product such as electricity (as in a fuel cell) to then run your vehicle.

I will not divulge my system, but be heartened there is at least one system that will allow you to transfer onto as easily as gasoline for your energy needs.  No footprint is the motto.On Tamminen and hydrogen posted 2 years, 10 months ago 20 Responses

Call for Revolution

>> Then we the people will be permanently relegated to corporate feudal serfdome. >>

You guys don't get it do you!

The game is  

If I have enough money, I think I will survive, LOL, I can buy a lifeboat... who cares about the death of billions of plebs....
But don't tell anyone the truth because then there may be no lifeboats for sale.

If the people rise up and scream and smash all the lifeboats then even the rich are in trouble.  

This, at the very least would bind us all together and a solution may be found.... but only if the correct global warming cooling scenario is accepted.

I say RISE UP and scream, get them ALL to tell the truth.  Tomorrow really is/was too late.

The so called experts really are presenting total BS to the public.On Some thoughts posted 2 years, 10 months ago 72 Responses

Same old

>> Surely there have been new and interesting data published since the movie's release >>

LOL, how about a complete about face.

The scientific world has fallen in a hole, and I am told the only way to get out without having egg all over their faces, is to dig deeper !!

The world is polluted to its eyeballs, and therefore the quality of thought and analysis by the end of the food chain has sunk to incredibly low levels, IMO.

See my website omegafour.com for a continuing up-to-date UNBIASED analysis.On A dispatch from Gore's climate training sessions posted 2 years, 10 months ago 10 Responses

A game

Oh, IC
a game being played maybe with Nero.

LOL... love is wonderful

<gone>On Some thoughts posted 2 years, 10 months ago 72 Responses

Please Explain

I wonder if a professional could explain to me the logic that says rising temperatures as per a greenhouse effect (ie from an overpressure of CO2) will produce droughts ?

From my science, droughts would be the least likely outcome, because as the seas get warmer then water evaporation increases, which leads to more clouds, rather than less clouds, which cools and brings rain.  Show me how a 1C temperature rise can "bake the ground dry".

This is show down time..... because I will be out of here shortly.

It seems the carbon dioxide proponents are changing their story day by day to fit the unfolding observations. This is not science, if anything this is total BS.  The science should predict the unfolding events, ACCURATELY, you can not afford a hit and miss approach.  If anything, the CO2 model has been shown to be false by the unfolding situation and can no longer be tenetable.

If this is the case you guys are in real trouble.

Y'all are in real trouble anyway, IMO, and no one has realised yet just what are the real and expected consequences of an oil film on the seas.

If you don't accurately identify what is causing the climate shift, you won't be able to find a remedy,
BUT more importantly you can not determine when the tipping point will occur, at which point from then on nothing can be done. Oh, you might have a foul tasting drink of something like cool clean fresh water, but where will the water come from to quench the parched land?

IMO the tipping point passed several years ago, despite my loud and ?clear protestations, the climate just ignored me and so did the policy makers, LOL.  Your call now.On Turns out it's high posted 2 years, 10 months ago 11 Responses

What Has Gone Wrong ?

>> climate change is that greenhouse gas emissions "are one of the factors that contribute to climate change" and despite the "scientific uncertainties, the risk (of global warming) is so great that it justifies taking action." >>

well in a trivial way, the above statement is correct.

At present, Carbon Dioxide is taking the blame, and Exxon should be happy with that.

Watch the stockholders when the blame is truly laid at Exxon's smelly feet.

But in a way Exxon is not to blame..... it seems to me that oil-water effects have been known for a very long time (back to Ben Franklin for the USA) and microlayer marine biologists reported a ubiquitous oil micro layer back in the 1930s.

So what has gone wrong ? .. IMO, metal poisoning has polluted the world's best minds. And if that is the case, I really worry for LIFE on this hunk of rock called Earth. On Exxon brightens tone posted 2 years, 10 months ago 2 Responses

LOL

>> Science is all about what is true and what is false.

Science really is conjecture based upon a foundation of accumulated facts.  The scientific theories are really best explanations,.. they don't claim to be true, or even remotely true.  They are models that serve as a matrix to lay in all the factual observations. These are then used to make predictions. Truth is never known, only falsity is accepted.

Technology is true or false, it works as planned or it does not.

One step up the spiral!On Some thoughts posted 2 years, 10 months ago 72 Responses

Scientists are helpless

when it come to helping the general public...yes, there usually is no communication.  Too many big words.... story of my life

But a scientist can help himself!!... and that is where a scientist has a massive advantage.  They can leave the pack behind.On Some thoughts posted 2 years, 10 months ago 72 Responses

Zarkov- I have not heard of an oil film on the sea

see "Natural Consequences" forum at my web site
omegafour.com/forum/

random quote
Dr. Hardy says, "In the more than 200 microlayer samples we have collected from rivers, estuaries, bays and oceans, there is a sadly consistent picture: the surface microlayer is becoming a soup of toxic metals, organic pollutants, bacteria, pesticide residues, and the by-products of combustion-derived hydrocarbons from cars, trucks, aeroplanes, refuse incinerators, and power plants".>>

Marine micro-layer biologists first identified the ubiquitous oil layer back in the 1930s and this oil has been identified as of human origin.  

Wars, oil tankers, industry, runoff etc keeps the layer, however its thickness waxes and wanes.

I have contacted various academic sources, and searched the net.  Very little information is available.

At my web site I have collected many references.  The facts are isolated but if you collate the isolated pieces of information you may draw a similar conclusion.

The signs and symptoms of the changing climate are completely consistent with the expected effects a resident petroleum oil layer on the sea surface.On It muddles the science and policy debates together posted 2 years, 11 months ago 47 Responses

Oil-Aerosol Filtering

>> the idea that knowing the science means knowing what to do is not tenable.

First, scientific knowing... I do not believe that this goal has been met so far

Second, the knowing focuses the action so remedies are effective.

IMO the problem is an oil film on the seas.  Once this is realised, all hell will break lose, the science is there, the prognosis is there, and with hard concerted work a solution may be there, but it seems the oil barons are dead against cutting oil use.... even though I suspect they know what their product is doing to the world.

Oil must be declared a noxious substance, and strict controls on its use must be implemented.

Oil cleaners on exhausts etc... it really is not so hard to make a start, the problem today is that the debate as to the cause of global climate change has many false arguments, and the truth is being actively smothered

see
http://www.physorg.com/news87058248.html

>> (AP) -- ExxonMobil Corp. gave $16 million to 43 ideological groups between 1998 and 2005 in a coordinated effort to mislead the public by discrediting the science behind global warming.......Dr. James McCarthy, a professor at Harvard University, said the company has sought to "create the illusion of a vigorous debate" about global warming. >>

and they have muddied the waters so much that it is now very hard to see a co-ordinated solution arising.On It muddles the science and policy debates together posted 2 years, 11 months ago 47 Responses

Now starts When ?

Before you can even consider now,

How long will it take, hypothetically, to remove oil from the market if the survival of the world depended upon its removal ?On It muddles the science and policy debates together posted 2 years, 11 months ago 47 Responses

Perceptions hide the truth

>> approximately a 50/50 chance that the warming will be less than 1.4 deg C

1.4C rise to most people is insignificant.  If the air is dry, such a rise will feel like a cooler temperature.  High humidity alone can make any daytime temperature feel like it is 10C higher.

Personal perceptions are what drives people, so you see most people are not concerned with a temperature rise.

In fact there is a higher probability of a temperature fall as worldwide climate change progresses.  Under desert conditions, you die of cold at night and not from the heat of the day.

Now drought is another thing.  See the climatic state in Australia, everyone there is talking climate change... it is in your face serious when you can not wash your car!!!!!
(even though the authorities there are in massive denial, the population is screaming)

The Northern hemisphere has not too long to wait before drought will bring the chickens home to roost, and the squawks will be just as loud as if it is their head to be chopped off next.

A talk-fest now, decisions tomorrow, but tomorrow will come too late, IMO.On It muddles the science and policy debates together posted 2 years, 11 months ago 47 Responses

Troubled Human beings

When human beings start using food to fuel devices so leaving millions to starve to death, you must scratch your head!

The oil mentality seems to have blinkered thought.On More from Lester Brown on ethanol and food costs posted 2 years, 11 months ago 10 Responses

It was a pleasure Pete

Yes the carbon Dioxide myth has grown to be a religion.  Meanwhile........On There is no proof in science, but there are mountains of evidence posted 2 years, 11 months ago 78 Responses

Some are misunderstood

Often the structure of the Internet is the fault.

Without body language. the written word can be read with a  large variation of emotions, and sometimes the poster is worked up by others.

When dealing with complex subjects, it is easy to call for more evidence, when it is not there. However in many cases the evidence needs to be interpreted.

This is where confusion and disagreement occurs.

It seems on the net, the masses win...irrespective of their ignorance or expertise.

I expect this problem can only be overcome by a Internet format change.On Ignore them posted 2 years, 11 months ago 21 Responses

Saddam Is Dead

and so is 2000 Americans and so it over 200,000 Iraqis

The strong man that kept it all together is no more, what have you done America?

Saddam did no wrong, other than be tough to meet the conditions necessary to keep a place like Iraq in good order...............

I think something terribly wrong has occurred... both legally and ethically.

Why has the USA gone down the drain???

You realise Saddam has won.On Richard Clarke writes the op-ed of the year posted 2 years, 11 months ago 15 Responses

We Need Certainty

>> That crisis will not be resolved by greater scientific "certainty" regarding any particular scenario.  

You have to know what is causing Climate change, for sure
otherwise you could inadvertently ignore the real cause or exacerbate the problem

You can not fix a problem if you don't really know the cause.On What do the climate scientists think? posted 2 years, 11 months ago 24 Responses

Clear or Cloudy Sky ? You Evaluate !

>> missing all the caveats in translation that we have internalized

Laypeople do not have the deep background knowledge.... thus the language of science (like the language of Law) is not fully comprehendable to laypeople.  A problem of communication.

>> should never rely on individual scientists

OK, ask the committee!  LOL.  

I think it is past the tipping point, however with this one we must wait.

In between times we can act or not.  It would be beneficial to the world to reduce emissions to zero, and make our world totally footprint-less.

But if the global hangover becomes too bad, we might all get to regret inaction.  Ain't no god gonna step in and say whoa!!!,
it really is up to us to get our existence back on track.
IMOOn What do the climate scientists think? posted 2 years, 11 months ago 24 Responses

Science is not Consensus.

>> misrepresentation of the consensus judgment of the scientific community

LOL, science in not democratic!
Consensus does not make science.

If you study the history of science it is the individual and not the committee that brings about change, usually to the individuals expense.  The radical scientist is usually persecuted by the mob, those would be "popular scientists" that hold the established consensus view.

The absolute reality (the subject of science) is the way it is.  No wish list will change it.  We must learn from it, it does not work the other way around.

If you wish to politicise science see the Pope.
Personally I only stick to facts, no not interpretations, theory or consensus views, just simple plain facts.  And if my interpretation is different to the establishment then I check out their view and compare with mine and I change or they must change.

Thus the war begins, and as I have said the masses (consensus opinion) usually eventually lose (if there are real cracks in the established interpretation), and the new ideas gain credence.
Thus is the lot of a radical scientist. We literally put our lives and reputation on the line when we speak out.

Today science has risen to the realms of total fantasy, especially in Cosmology, Physics, Meteorology etc

The democratic method is the most stupid way to investigate anything, and people who would politicise what they really have no understanding for only get away with it because the public is  almost totally scientifically illiterate and of course the masses are totally right in a democracy.

LOL, really, I can not understand human beings.
They are soooooo primitive and it seems the politicians like it that way.On Everybody does it posted 2 years, 11 months ago 5 Responses

Mismatch = no communication

>> why a 35% increase in the second most important greenhouse gas does not affect the global temperature......

because we have open 'outer space' (like the windows are full open in the greenhouse) above our heads.

LOL, amazing... please Gristmill supply ALL the predictions due to an overpressure of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

LOL, only one prediction is even remotely correct, drought and that really can not be predicted by a greenhouse effect because the atmosphere is supposed to get wetter.  Heating, there is no heating, just no clouds...everyday is summer, but really the world is cooling as the air dries out (humidity is lowered) and the nights get colder....

The whole world is in total denial, scientists and lay people alike.

LOL, lucky I have a way outa here, cause you guys will still be debating fantasies right up until the last days.

I though talking to laypeople about scientific matters could be beneficial, now LOL, I see whatever is said is like blowing into the wind.... the foundations of science are just are not there.

It has been nice being here, you are a great bunch, but I retire.

Stay updated at my website
omegafour.com

Goodbye
<:)On 'Global warming is part of a natural cycle'--This idea is one short step above appealing to magic posted 2 years, 11 months ago 39 Responses

Unified voice

There is a problem with perception, and perception is based upon knowledge and knowledge is based upon mental capacity and mental capacity is based upon the integrity of the mind!!!!!!!!

Now there is the rub.  Toxic pollution has scrubbed many minds blank, so blank that they do not even consider other life entities on this planet... unscrupulous, ruthless and sadly these people become powerful... they don't give a shit for anything but money and power.  

Madness knows no fear or consequence.

What has to be implemented must be implemented in a very short time frame..... like NOW, and all destructive present practices stopped....LOL as if!!!

Sorry guys, I just can not see that happening.

Oh yes, maybe after the fact, when the tipping point is way gone, and everyone is wailing.....

For me the only way out is up and goneOn Climate change politics is in flux posted 2 years, 11 months ago 2 Responses

LOL

Well at least that is a start on possibilities.

Thumbs down for me.

When you talk energy, you really need massive amounts and the technology required must not leave any footprint.  Bits and pieces is not a useful approach.

There are solutions.  As an example, thirty years ago I ran a car on aluminium, LOL, the government thought I was joking!!!!

The world has a credibility problem, IMO.
Where have all the sane brains gone.On Read and be dazzled by the techno-futurism posted 2 years, 11 months ago 7 Responses

Its a Laugh

>> has completely ignored the report's recommendations. He's taking the minimal possible action to address climate change. >>

Yes, Stern was stern.  Too stern for business.

There is an iceberg dead ahead Captain!...Steady as she goes mate, I'm off to have breakfast.

Whoever is at the helm when the consequences of inaction are undeniable, wears the baby.

LOL I scientifically know human beings are really funny, no not ha ha.
I am not laughing with them, unless it is laugh until you die.  On Author of seminal climate report locked out of UK governing circles posted 2 years, 11 months ago 2 Responses

Agamemnon

>> miserable yet grave blather that Cassandra utters in The Agamemnon.

LOL, that's me.  I am a scientist not a wordsmith.
:)

No one will listen,  You talk of fear, [maybe] terror will be a better word to describe what is coming.

[Maybe] there will be only several years left of complacent living then, it will be every lout for themselves, then [nothing].

It is still "maybe" for general consumption...
I will not elaborate, but I will say this is a very sensible blog.  Thank you.  Unfortunately sensible people are a very very small minority in this world of toxic pollution.

Thank goodness there is at least one sensible blog/forum on the net.On They don't go well together posted 2 years, 11 months ago 19 Responses

Stay clean stay healthy

Bugs are your friend, if you are not tooooo clean.

It is important that you are exposed to pathogens... however in this instance this is just plain poor animal husbandry.... no excuses.

I did a survey on pigs in Papua new Guinea, and found almost all pigs harboured salmonella sp.

Few people suffered.

Bacteriology is a numbers game, so what are the numbers.

To ID is fine but is it significant?On Consumer Reports finds chicken riddled with bacteria posted 2 years, 11 months ago 2 Responses

finding solutions,

yes that is the way.

Certainly the task is large and the way foggy at present

BUT if the will is there (it must be truly inspired by the seriousness of the situation)
THEN there is a way.

Can we all get together long enough to see that logic come about?

because normally now is when we all have sacred opinions and consensus is lostOn The enduring attraction of apocalyptic predictions posted 2 years, 11 months ago 29 Responses

Earth is not earth

It is the third hunk of rock called a planet from Sol.

An infection by LIFE has transformed the third hunk of rock from Sol  and turned it into EARTH as we know and love it.

This planet is what LIFE eats, it has nothing really to do with us.  The oxygen and the water are parts of LIFE's body, made by LIFE for LIFE, so lets get it right.

Earth was not earth before.  And if you take away all that is living here, then you will have a hunk of rock again, and not an Earth.

So yes Earth can be lost but we won't care if that is the case, because we will be long gone then.

But all that does not really matter. LIFE never dies, it just moves on.

HEY wait a minute, don't forget me!!

Well, if you wish to remain on an EARTH you all had better clean up the act we all follow ...no lets write a new play, we know so much more now.
:)On Huh? posted 2 years, 12 months ago 13 Responses

Darwinian-ism

>> A science writer who thinks evolution theory is political?

Oh yes, Darwin's theory is very political
"and the sins of thy father shall be upon you"""

so sayeth the policeman......

Evolution theory is a disaster, the theory is where we are all (supposedly) responsible for our karma because of mutations uncontrolled.
LOL

as if
We must make mistakes to learn to go forward... are these punishable by death ?

So we have "evil" and "good" and " evolutionary disadvantage" and "evolutionary advantage"

LOL, you have to FALL FOUL OF ONE OF THEM SOMETIME

no, this is not right, if we are here, alive, therefore we are meant to be here and we should be all welcome at the table of LIFE.

Religious theory and Darwinian evolutionary theory have split brother against brother.

WHY ???????????

because the modern mind (it all changed in Socrates' time and onward) has turned to fantasy and turned  away from reality... the reality never changes as many primitive societies a long time ago knew, all LIFE is one organism.

An environmental movement must have an environmental philosophy, and religion and theory are not useful.

It comes from the heart of a StoicOn It's a disaster, not a catastrophe posted 2 years, 12 months ago 43 Responses

Fear or Panic ?

>> Fear facilitates survival and fear is appropriate for surviving global warming.

Panic is the word we should avoid, not fear.

GW is such that it could conceivably bring LIFE on this hunk of rock to its knees, even extinction!

Now that is fearful, and so it should be.
Get with reality and be fearful.

Panic on the other hand is precisely what the establishment is doing,
sitting on its hands in total panic, they are frozen by 'fear', for they know not what to do.
They know not what is actually happening, because to look in the mirror for them would induce utter and total panic.  THEY have brought about the extinction of LIFE on Earth.

But do mad people worry, LOL !!!!!!!!!! On It's a disaster, not a catastrophe posted 2 years, 12 months ago 43 Responses

Act NOW

I have asked this forum to act now.
Please do water evaporation tests on standing water in your area.
see details at omegafour.com

If these tests show what is theorised then

>> we rise up by the millions to demand change.>>

Rise up by the billions... it is your children's lives you are playing with.
We adults are already dead

The future must be saved.

PS Post all results to the above link.On What kind of rhetoric creates social change? posted 3 years ago 29 Responses

Sanity

There is no valid definition of sanity
It is being rational??????????????LOL

Many a rational person is really insane.
[No not certifiable,..... but... unaware, apathetic, moronic........ just no empathy for LIFE, they actually become anti-LIFE.]

So is 'sanity' being like the next person????

NO, sanity is a unique state, where the person is totally free of poisons.... including industrial pollutants, so that they are guided by their clear direct conscience and therefore all their actions are sustainable in the long term.  
They do not spin.

>> balanced and rational

LOL, I am afraid our leaders are not sane
and, sadly even our scientists.

Hey, Get a committee, it would be just as effective.

Good luckOn What kind of rhetoric creates social change? posted 3 years ago 29 Responses

Energy

Energy is cheap, if you sustainably collect and store it.

Storing it is the problem, but only a paradigm shift away.

Oil, coal etc should be used for plastics, chemicals etc, and not to be burned as a waste product.

Yes war is useless in today's world

>> His central argument was that war between modern powers was futile in the sense that no matter what the outcome, he thought both the losing and the victorious nations would be economically worse off than they would have been had they avoided war. >>>

In the olden days insurrection of a defeated foe  was avoided in the short term by killing all the able bodied men.

Humanity has no taste for that today, therefore war needs to be banned.
On Oil imperialism is going to be the end of us posted 3 years ago 13 Responses

Links ?

>>  climate science blog

any suggested links ?On A fired federal employee expresses himself posted 3 years ago 11 Responses

Linked

The climate of yesterday is linked to the climate of today.

One must throw the bones many times over a long period of time to find the meaning of the perceived trends.. Even today the picture is still very very confused, and to actually pick what will happen on some time line is still impossible.

For all that, the process is slow, and no doubt it will oscillate for our good and our bad...... the only real problem will be the survival reaction by various badly affected groups of people, and how they are treated by the "well, we are OK mob".On 'They predicted global cooling in the 70s'--But that didn't even remotely resemble today's consensus posted 3 years ago 29 Responses

Clouds = Rain

>> according to the best estimates is likely to be positive over the coming century  >>

Lets hope so, but clear sky days seem to be increasing.  We could do with much more rain.On 'Models don't account for clouds'--Clouds are complex and uncertain, but unlikely to stop warming posted 3 years ago 6 Responses

Get Real

>> I suppose that fewer and fewer scientists disagreeing with the status quo is indeed consistent with some kind of widespread and insidious suppression of ideas, >>

See the Tobacco industry.  What is the oil industry worth nowdays?

>> but you know, it is also consistent with having the right answer.

Tell me why, tell me why, if temperature goes up, rainfall goes down ?
On 'Consensus is collusion'--Is climate science maturing, or should we reach for our tinfoil hats? posted 3 years ago 8 Responses

GIGO

need I say more
There will be no effective action.On 'There is no consensus'--If this is not consensus, what would consensus look like? posted 3 years ago 109 Responses

Casualty

We must remember this
that a toxic meal is more than a wholesome meal
The extra bits reside in the brain.On Bush is speaking at a press conference ... posted 3 years ago 1 Response

Deserts

>> And as the air further cools and loses moisture, it will get warmer? But this is because it is getting cooler. >>

LOL, well you almost closed the logic loop, but not quite.

Lets look at deserts, what we get is a blistering day temperature... no clouds, full clear sky sun.
BUT we also get freezing nights..... clear skies, the heat loss is dramatic.

The air becomes dry and does not heat up as much as it would if there was a high humidity AND also a clear sky.

So if that region of land was not a desert, then with clouds, both maximum(down) and minimum(up) air temperatures would be moderated.

Now because there are no clouds, the desert land has actually warmed, but the air is less hot that it would be if...... both land and air are just gaining a no weather temperature,
just as at night a similar logical situation arises.

But to us the desert is both much warmer and colder.

The ground may approach 90 or more degrees centigrade, the air 50C during the day, at night there could be frost formed from the little water in the air.

You may now appreciate, when you don't know what is happening, the initial climatic picture can be very confusing.

Remove water vapour and we travel towards a Moon climate.  We may only know this once we arrive.  This is not good enough.On 'Antarctic ice is growing'--Well, probably not, but even if it were, we are not off the hook posted 3 years ago 8 Responses

Uh ho

>> As a society, we are relatively good at dealing with obvious, near-term risks. >>>

as if, Katrina is just classical :)

>> people like Jim Hansen who say that we're 10 years from a tipping point?

or maybe we have already past it, years ago ! LOL

You think there is a way out of this don't you ?On Should we worry about sudden climate shifts? posted 3 years ago 4 Responses

Total Confusion

Data collected has to be interpreted.. and often the criteria used leads to a totally confused picture.  We are in an unfolding situation that has never happened before.

As the air dries (it loses humidity), "normal air temperature readings" (NATR) will show cooling. The air loses heat capacity, and can not heat up as fast as "wet air".

As the clouds disappear, the  NATR will show a slight heating, because more sunshine will penetrate to ground level... and that is where we live..  But this heating will not in itself create new absolute maximum temperature records.  What we see is new relative maximum temperature records for that time of year.  That is to say, the Sun's radiation to earth is relatively stable.

If all was as expected by current models, the increased radiation would lead to an increase in humidity which would increase the NATR.. However induced cloud cover would then increase, reducing the NATR.

So we have competing factors, which has confused everyone.

Now when clouds disappear, the little humidity left in the atmosphere will only condense as ice crystals high in the stratosphere.  These ice crystals are stable and as they build up they will reduce the sunshine reaching the ground by quite a lot, though not in comparison to lower cloud cover.

Ice reduced sunshine and no low clouds and dry air, leads to a confused picture for climatologists, who are only relying on NATR.

However this is what is happening.  This picture is not consistent with a carbon dioxide greenhouse effect as popularly modeled.

So it is no wonder satellites, and people on the ground  seem to getting confused and contradicting pictures.

When the climate problem and its effects become really clear, as is seen in Australia, then all the discrepancies will be easily explained in hindsight.

But hindsight is way too late.On 'The satellites show cooling'--No, they don't posted 3 years ago 15 Responses

Vacuum

Do you ever feel that you are screaming into a vacuum?

But maybe it is best we don't know we are already doomed.

Good luck guys, see you in " another time, another place, with another face"(Van Morrison)On It's a poor indicator of progress on global warming posted 3 years, 1 month ago 11 Responses

the word is sustainable

and not extinct.

>> It just gets better and better, doesn't it?  >>>

Earth's spin is the only power source, used as electricity and chemical reactions, that are environment free.

Side step that policy and you are in a mine field of consequences.

And Insanity knows no fear.On Now it will cause drought in Australia posted 3 years, 1 month ago 11 Responses

Independence is Easy

Don't be fooled, there are ways to gain total energy independence, and totally green at that.

Nuclear is not the path, coal and oil are fatal, while wind and solar are great for hippies in the bush.

Yep, run your car, power cities, even export power to underdeveloped countries.

If you harness the Earth's spin and store the energy you can unlock the Holy Grail.

It is an easy task.....
but I will not go further, except to say, maybe your actions have already killed the future.

Good luck.On It's a bad frame in the long term posted 3 years, 1 month ago 9 Responses

Oiled Spin-up

>> the lesson is not that Katrina was caused by or made worse by global warming. >>

I disagree. Certainly after Katrina, the next hurricane in the gulf was the fastest to spin-up than any seen before.

Why ?  Katrina caused a massive oil spill and the oil slick on the gulf was considerably thickened.

Oil dampens wave height, making the surface of the sea glassy which increases hurricane spin.

If the UAS continues to pollute the seas with oil, then you get what is owed to you.On It's about risk posted 3 years, 1 month ago 12 Responses

Oil Film not CO2

I have been researching the climate change of the world for over 30 years.

There is much talk of Global warming being due to carbon dioxide increase in the atmosphere.

However if you impartially look at the unfolding climatic situation you will find there is a confused case for the warming scenario, and a very strong case for drought.

A warmer  and wetter earth is no problem.  A drying Earth is a very serious problem.

First to understand this
The Northern Hemisphere and the Southern Hemisphere of the earth are disconnected when dealing with climate.

The Northern Hemisphere is experiencing a mixture of floods, severe storms and drought.... all within the bounds of the theories about a CO2 greenhouse effect.  This is because the Northern Hemisphere has a very large land mass to dry.

The Southern hemisphere is experiencing severe drought in many areas.

Common to both is ice melt and drought.

There is a molecular thin layer of petroleum oil overlaying the surface of the sea.  This surface micro layer inhibits water evaporation, and upsets the hydrology cycle of the entire Earth.  Removal of clouds accounts for ice melt, and transient local warming by increasing the occurrence clear skies.

If you look at the air temperature records, what becomes apparent is that the temperature range (ie the difference between the maximum and the minimum air temperature is widening.

The earth is slowly becoming a desert... not a wetter and hotter place.

Of course big oil and big coal, set their spin doctors to hide this information, and in truth, you still drive your car.

A carbon dioxide problem is trivial, an oil slick is terminally sick.

The first step in addressing any perceived problem is to determine just what is the problem.

see
omegafour.com/forum/On Not how it works posted 3 years, 2 months ago 10 Responses