Comments Auden Schendler has made
- Dave: That's a good point, the energy price challenge, because in many cases, even if you doubled or tripled the cost of electricity and natural gas, some of these household efficiency measures would not pencil out. My house is an example. Built in 1959. Totally framed in 2x4s. So the roof is R-12 insulation value in the best case scenario, when code, which isn't even good enough, is R-37. And you can�t fix my roof without ripping it off and adding insulation, wildly costly with no return on investment (ROI.) Walls, you can�t fix them either, easily, without recladding the house, or ripping out the inside walls, also hugely expensive with no ROI and a colossal mess. So even for a fanatic like me, some of this stuff is not hard, but actually borderline impossible. Yet at the same time we have this tantalizing brew of component solutions: a ton of out of work contractors and carpenters who know how to do this work and can now, post boom, work more cheaply than in the past; the fact that new walls and roof make you house prettier, more valuable, and more comfortable, even if they don't save much money; government stimulus money just looking for a good place to be effective; utilties that are paying millions for new power sources that are super questionable as an investment (our local utility here in CO just dropped $100M into one of the last coal plants we'll ever build as a species)...what's tantalizing is that HUGE money is going towards dumb and bad investments like that coal plant or flawed solutions like cash for clunkers might have been. Can't SOME money instead be redirected towards smart and useful investments that address the same needs, ie, jobs, energy savings, power capacity for the utilities? I hope you will neatly aggregate these opportunities into a clear path foward for us tomorrow. And I submit that programs like Energy Trust are part of the answer. http://www.grist.org/article/energy-trust-and-the-big-hopeOn Making buildings more efficient: looking beyond price posted 3 days, 8 hours ago 5 Responses
- Jesse: I guess I fundamentally disagree with you on multiple points, and with limited time (it's election day and we're helping to run this campaign: www.voteyes1A.org) I'll steer readers to Joe Romm's response to Breakthrough Institute analysis. http://climateprogress.org/2009/09/28/markey-the-breakthrough-institute-romm-technology-climate-bill/.On Energy Trust and the Big Hope posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago 13 Responses
- Jesse: I'd agree with you if there weren't such extreme urgency on the climate issue. What you're suggestiong simply won't stabilize warming at or below 2 degress C, or 450 ppm. And worse, the technological implementation can't happen fast enough without a carbon price signal. What you describe is beautiful and wonderful but isn't based in the realities of cliamte science. It doesn't reflect a path that will get us to where we need to be fast enough. The role of a cap and trade system isn't going to be primarily to invest in new technologies. It's going to create the economic incentives to solve climate. And I strongly disagree that it's not politically viable. It's going to happen. (In part because the EPA has a hammer to drop if congress doesn't pass legislation.) Meanwhile, I think tepid action on climate is going to become increasingly unacceptable politically.On Energy Trust and the Big Hope posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago 13 Responses
- Gene: I agree with you, and the only counter point would be that people WANT solar on their roofs. So this is a way to provide the customer with something they want, more cheaply. And I'd argue that the clean energy movement has suffered from a terrible lack of tangibility--with wind purchases leading the charge on that. So on-site solar is a massive educational tool. But centralized solar--especially if investors can go visit the site nearby--takes the idea even further and it's cheaper, so that is probably where we end up. Jesse: I'll concede that 3% is not going to drive conservation. And clearly driving conservation through increased cost wasn't the point of the program. But I differ from you in that I don't think, given the scale of the climate problem, that we can come close to solving it without an increased price on energy. And when that happens, as it will, to be politically viable it will have to start low--maybe at a level on the order of the Energy Trust cost--and grow over time. In a way, then, Energy Trust meets both our critera now, but later, it's only going to meet my criteria, because the price of the ticket is going to have to go up if we want to solve the problem.On Energy Trust and the Big Hope posted 3 weeks, 2 days ago 13 Responses
- Right on! This climate poverty interface is the crucial connection, and it's why Gates, for example, should be spending at least a token amount of money on climate. Climate change and poverty have this huge connection--malaria, clean water availability, public health, cholera...these are all issue that are unsolvable if climate change isn't addressed. That's why I think one of the best books on climate change today is Peter Singer's "The Life You Can Save" (www.thelifeyoucansave.org) even though it's not ostensibly about climate.On Climate change is a poverty issue posted 2 months ago 20 Responses
Dstangis:
You should download away! Joel and I and Grist, and others, would welcome insight from someone with experience like yours. This should be a no-bite-your-tongue zone!
Auden
On Is the Dow Jones Sustainability Index worth a damn? posted 2 months, 1 week ago 9 ResponsesThat would make sense if your were only looking at students of color, or if you were only looking at the growing demographic, vs the majority of college applicants.
On Colleges without rocking enviro programs are failed businesses posted 2 months, 3 weeks ago 5 ResponsesVeritone:
Based on your comments you will LOVE Thom Hartmann's new book: Threshold: The Crisis of Western Culture. Go out and buy it now, seriously *(after you buy my book). It's a very interesting and succinct summary of modern challenges, and he asks this question: 'Why is it that CEO's of mega corporations get so much money? Such disproportionately high pay? After all, there are many people qualified enough to do the job.." And his answer, after ruling out everything else and wracking his brain for an answer, is that these guys have to be willing to make decisions, each day, that kill or hurt whole populations. Essentially, part of the high pay is that you need the Stanford MBA, the hero businessperson, who is also a psychopath. It's a fascinating discussion if you agree with it or not.
On The eternal durability of greenwash posted 4 months ago 5 ResponsesTheak:
In Colorado, at least, thanks to the Governor's appointments, the PUC has started an effort to establish regulatory oversight over Tristate , one of the bigger utilties in the region. This is a huge step towards what you describe. Right now, Tristate makes decisions that affect us all, but they do it in private. And they are heavily coal dependent. The PUC wants to daylight their decisionmaking process. The result would be better decsions for society, not just for Tristate, and there are prior examples in CO where PUC involvement led to cleaner, more diversified power. That said, PUC oversight is not a done deal with Tristate, and the Governor recently, and oddly, made amends to the utility, which in turn announced plans for a 30MW renewable energy project. To me, this just shows how well PUC oversight works--even the suggestion of it drove change! Your point is well taken though, about the cluelessness of the public, and the press, regarding this issue. (One exception is the Pulitzer level reporting on Colorado utility issues by David Williams at the Colorado Independent.) I often tell people that the most important thing they can do is run for their utility board. I usually have to shake them awake after I say that.
Auden
On Coal-nundrum and Ex-gas-peration posted 4 months, 2 weeks ago 15 ResponsesSean:
Good point on natural gas. On the efficiency front, though, I half agree, but it's not clear to me that the utilities are better off NOT doing efficiency even if they're not decoupled--ie, if a utility has a choice between a new billion dollar coal power plant that carries lots of risk, or several hundred million in DSM programs that avoid that huge expense and risk, then it does have benefit to them above and beyond the climate issue.
On Coal-nundrum and Ex-gas-peration posted 4 months, 3 weeks ago 15 ResponsesThis is a great related post from Climate Progress along the theme of denial and how it is affecting and will affect the GOP.
On Deniers are just one off from the truth posted 7 months ago 5 ResponsesThere are serious issues with RECs
Ktbrainwater:
You could argue that buying RECs are actually worse than utility green purchase programs, becuase whe a utility sells a REC to, say, Renewable Choice, neither group is under any obligation, even implied, to do anything "green" with their profits.When you asked "Do I demand "transparency" at the checkout stand?" I'd say, not with all things, but with some things that you are buying for the stated benefits, you must. It would be silly if you didn't demand accountability of a donation you made to the red cross--because you expect a certain service to result from your contribution. Same with renewable energy cards--you'd expect renewable energy to result.
This puts the lie to your other point: "Can we stop quibbling about whether one REC is better than another.." But that's the precise issue we need to address here. What RECs, if any, are actually worth buying?
Again, you write: "Fradulent? No one is forcing you to buy a card." True, but no one is forcing you to play three-card monty...and it's still fradulent. On The producer of the controversial wind-credit cards speaks out posted 3 years ago 21 Responses
disingenuous
I find this comment disingenuous:
"The goal of the product -- like everything else we do -- is to provide choices that help move our country beyond fossil fuels."
Unless I'm mistaken, Renewable Choice is simply a broker for RECs. They buy from the utility, mark it up, then sell it. Where does the profit go? Into their pockets. Yes, there is a market mechanism that may, or may not, drive new renewables. But Renewable Choice could be selling encyclopedias--the point of their business is to make a profit. And there's nothing wrong with that, but to claim an environmental mission is disingenuous. UNLESS a substantial portion of their profits is allocated towards driving new renewable development, as is the case with other REC brokers like Community Energy and the Bonneville Environmental Foundation. Allocating a small portion of profits towards education doesn't do it. On The producer of the controversial wind-credit cards speaks out posted 3 years ago 21 Responses
sliding scale
Dan:
The problem is in defining what is unnecessary in the world of commerce. Using Peter Singer's logic, the computer you're writing on is an unnecessary expense. After all, the dollars you paid for that computer could literally save people's lives in Africa. Through Singer's lens, you could argue that the tech industry is unnecesary, really. So my point is: where do you drawn the line? CAN you draw the line? I submit we need to fix the whole enchilada, not take moral positions on what aspects of our economy are necessary or unnecessary. On Humanity faces the fight of a lifetime against heavyweight climate change posted 3 years, 1 month ago 5 ResponsesIt's a reductionist argument
The most obvious action Aspen Skiing Company could take to address Dan Hughes' concern, above, would be to shut down. Then, of course, we'd also have to examine every business--actually, every aspect of our lives--and run them through the Dan Hughes eco-viability test, and see if they measure up to his standard. It's not clear to me any sector of business, or any act like driving to get groceries, buying the groceries, or using refrigeration for the groceries, would measure up. In short, this is a reductionist argument that suggests the solution to the cliamte challenge is to shut down the global economy. Of course, this won't happen. Commerce is the oldest human endeavor, and it is reponsible for much of the good in the world, as well as the bad. The solution to the climate challenge is to find ways to operate our economy in vastly less damaging ways. One way to start that process might be to patronize businesses, like Aspen Skiing Company, that are aggressively tackling the climate problem. Their economic success will drive further action on that issue. And the dirty guys will go out of business. The solution is not to shut our doors, go to the basement, and shoot ourselves in the head.
Finally, we have to understand that economic viability is often tied to environmental improvements. From old pictures, know what Aspen was like 100 years ago when the economy was limited, not vibrant, and based on mining. We had no trees, the rivers were polluted with heavy metals, there were no tax dollars to fix these problem, no public money for open space preservation, no nonprofit funding, etc. The idea that business is bad and must be eliminated is something from the unexamined start of the environmental movement 30+ years ago. It's not a viable path. Nor is seizing the higher moral ground or using the easiest attack possible--calling someone a hypocrite. Give me a snapshot of anyone, or any business's life, and I'll destroy them as a hypocrite in short order. But to what end? On Humanity faces the fight of a lifetime against heavyweight climate change posted 3 years, 1 month ago 5 Responses