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  Meat eaters <> vegans

  I'd also like to be spared of the simplistic vegan rambling. No word about the suffering of carrots; my point is that meat also does get produced in a way where the animals do not suffer, and in fact it is not in any way a rule that an animal must suffer for my meat-eating habits, because I can choose what I eat - just like vegans do.

  The word "killing" needs to be phased out of these conversations, as that just is not the point, because as I said, to eat, you kill. I don't know where you draw the line, but I don't know if I'd want to hear anyone talk about the inhumane farming of snails, either.

  So it is customary for a vegan to think, without further thought, that killing an animal for food is somehow less ethical than refraining from it, whereas I cannot consider it in any way obvious that killing animals for food is somehow ethically questionable. We are not denying animals of a life by killing and eating it, nor do they die a death that wouldn't otherwise occur. The suffering and pain is not necessary, either.

  And I guess I won't have to remind you of cows that live with us western people but don't get killed for food, yet a vegan won't go near a product that contains their milk. The cows in India do not exactly count as wild, either, as cows are a species that long ago chose (yes, they actually chose) to live with humans, following the human settlements, becoming gradually more and more dependent on people.

  I actually find it weird that the furthest you can get from nature and the inevitable symbiosis that occurs between humans, animals and plants, is in a vegan utopia, where no interaction with animals occurs and all domestic animals have long gone extinct. In what way is that ethically superior?

  Now I am not saying you can go to a supermarket and buy whatever lump of meat and eat it without further thought, I just find stopping using animal products not necessary or clearly beneficial in order to value life.On Is humane meat better for the environment? posted 2 years, 7 months ago 21 Responses

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  Killing

  There's no way around it: to eat one must kill. We won't survive long eating salt and drinking water. So while you may hear people go on and on about it, in the end it's not about killing, it's entirely about something else. So, I can't really see anything inhumane about killing and eating animals or plants. In fact, should we stop raising cows, there'd be no cows.

  And as it is, there really is no plant farming without animal farming. While the environmental effects of it are now known to everyone, I haven't actually seen a study suggest that stopping meat production would dramatically reduce the strain on the environment; to me, this conclusion sounds rather simplistic.

  While I whole-heartedly support the idea of reducing the amount of meat in a typical modern diet (which is bad for the health), the environmental effects of the whole world turning vegan have really not been studied, and dropping red meat from our diets altogether simply has no health benefits.On Is humane meat better for the environment? posted 2 years, 7 months ago 21 Responses