mahonia’s Recent Comments

• Click here to view comment in original post

  for a counter perspective, a two minute internet search of pollution trading fraud yielded these news stories....I'm sure I could fine dozens more... "Smoke screen: After five years, Anne Sholtz has yet to be sentenced for her role in multimillion-dollar smog-credit scam" http://www.pasadenaweekly.com/cms/story/detail/smoke_screen/5778/ "Climate change campaign creates carbon crimes. Fraudulent permit trading surfaces in Europe" http://www.nctimes.com/news/world/article_4af49c04-b9f7-57a9-b47f-6b7bc413109b.html "Interpol warns of carbon fraud" http://topics.treehugger.com/article/0eGZcM19uUcbV "Treasury Acts on Carbon-Credit Fraud Fears" http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=e063ad53-802a-23ad-4597-402ced11c94eOn Gaming cap-and-trade: Should we worry? posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago 3 Responses

• Click here to view comment in original post

  My apologies for throwing a reading list at you, but when you said above: "I also realize I'm no expert on [cap and trade] at all. No one I've read here is. Hardly anyone anywhere is. Have you spent hours and days studying it?" I assumed you would want to know if that was an inaccurate statement, and also assumed that you were suggesting that neither you or anyone else here had studied the problems of carbon trading (and that therefore, some background reading was merited). I guess I misunderstood? Anyhow, I, like you say above about yourself "don't think that cap and trade will work". I'm not sure why I should support a bill that implements something that isn't going to work...but, if you think it is logical to support something that you don't think will work, well, by all means go ahead. But I hope you can understand why others would not find it logical to support something they don't think will work.On ‘No compromise’ faction attacks climate bill posted 1 month, 3 weeks ago 104 Responses

• Click here to view comment in original post

  Here are a list of major polluters - many of whom also have serious human rights abuse records, eg, shell who just settled at multi-million lawsuit for it's roll in the conspiracy that led to the murder of more than a dozen Nigerian anti-oil activists - who support the bill in congress. So, tell me again, who is backed by industry on this? * AES * Alcoa * Alstom * Boston Scientific Corporation * BP America * Caterpillar * Chrysler * ConocoPhillips * Deere & Company * The Dow Chemical Company * Duke Energy * DuPont * Exelon Corporation * Ford Motor Company * FPL Group * General Electric * General Motors Corporation * Johnson & Johnson * NRG Energy * PepsiCo * PG&E Corporation * PNM Resources * Rio Tinto * Shell * Siemens CorporationOn ‘No compromise’ faction attacks climate bill posted 1 month, 3 weeks ago 104 Responses

• Click here to view comment in original post

  Shelly, the idea that those of us opposing carbon trading are part of the deniers movement or industry funded couldn't be farther from the truth. Rising Tide, for example, when not organizing against carbon trading is blockading coal plants (http://tiny.cc/S3XDc) and doing grassroots organizing against the fossil fuel industry (http://tiny.cc/h4162). Indeed, many of us have been working on climate issues for 10-20 years. And yes, many of us HAVE spent many dozens, or more accurately hundreds, of hours studying the issue - I give presentations on the problems of carbon trading and have published short papers on the topic, have read 5-6 books on the topic, and dozens more reports. Perhaps you could do some reading yourself on the topic? Check out (in loose historical order): http://www.indiaresource.org/issues/energycc/2003/baliprinciples.html http://www.carbontradewatch.org/durban/whoarewe.html http://risingtide.org.uk/about/political http://www.sinkswatch.org/ http://www.carbontradewatch.org/ http://focusweb.org/climate-change/21.html?Itemid=169 http://www.thecornerhouse.org.uk/summary.shtml?x=544225 http://www.seen.org/ http://www.ienearth.org/carbontrading.html http://www.thecornerhouse.org.uk/subject/climate/On ‘No compromise’ faction attacks climate bill posted 1 month, 3 weeks ago 104 Responses

• Click here to view comment in original post

  David, It's a valid question, and it'd be cool if someone had time today to lay out such a strategy in 20 page strategic plan for you...but obviously we are not going to develop a "Plan B" here in the comments section of Grist. But don't be mistaken: these conversations ARE happening on email lists, phone conferences, and in-person daily amongst the climate justice community. Also, I would posit that an equally valid of questions (ie, what is your plan?) are: 1) if this bill DOES pass, how do we topple the highly developed and entrenched systems that would be set up by it that will not even get us to 450, let alone 350? 2) how will we overcome the skepticism of the public who will see almost no direct benefits from this bill to their lives, while the energy and financial service sectors gets everything they want?On ‘No compromise’ faction attacks climate bill posted 1 month, 4 weeks ago 104 Responses