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  That Van Thing...

  wow... bringing that up.

  Did you ever bother to read the follow up story?  PETA was guaranteeing a HUMANE end for those animals.  There IS a limit to what we can rescue.  5 Million animals die per year cause there aren't enough homes.  do you know that each person in the US would have to have 5 dogs and I forget how many cats (not 5 per household... 5 per person) to eradicate euthanasia as a way of dealing with the 'excess'.

  The shelters that PETA visited with that van were using gasing.. yes just like concentration camps... en masse to kill animals. Do you wanna picture that one?  Crowd some animals into a space and assuming fights don't break out immediately you can be sure they will when they panic.  Course that only lasts a few minutes (not a few seconds) as the gas does its grisly job.

  PETA took those animals and euthanized them in a way that we have to call humane, if only by comparison.  The poor approach in disposing of the bodies was the bad decision of a young PETA employee.  Not an excuse... just a fact.  Don't confuse what they did and why they were in a position to do it with what happened.

  By the way, I lived in the Virginia Beach area at the time... and knew the shelter in NC that was central to the brou-ha-ha.On Animal-rights group makes the stupid claim that enviros must be vegetarians posted 2 years, 2 months ago 208 Responses

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  PETA loves Al Quaida

  YEP, YEP, YEP... PETA is a bunch of terrorists.  All the government agencies tell us so and we can go on believing it.  Brilliant.

  Does ANYONE ever notice political extremism?  Someone comes out with an outlandishly extreme position on something... gets LOADS of publicity cause they are such nuts and are dismissed.  Or are there?  After such campaigns, studies can often indicate that the median position on the subject shifted in their direction.  Maybe to a miniscule degree..but there it is, a shift.

  Ingrid Newkirk was quoted (but not nearly so frequently as other quotes) saying that PETA is a PUBLICITY WHORE.  If you put that in the context... the recipe doles out a delightful indication of why their position evolves as it does.

  Yes, they also have a point in saying we should all give up our pets.  Sure you love them and I love them...but what about the millions that aren't loved?  Are you selfless enough to contemplate giving up your emotional satisfaction of making something dependent upon you and then thinking you're great for it, long enough to realize the cruelty/neglect that would prevent and eradicate?

  Yes, dogs and cats are carnivores (of varying degrees).  Cats are FAR more dependent on meat than dogs.  And guess what, people are NOT AT ALL.  It's purely some sort of elitism to say that 'well meat is expensive and I am not going to feed it to my cats and dogs if I can't eat it too'.  Tradition is NOT the same as Biology.  

  Sheesh... do some of your own research sometime instead of just making self serving knee jerk reactions... can't ya?On Animal-rights group makes the stupid claim that enviros must be vegetarians posted 2 years, 2 months ago 208 Responses

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  sez the EPA

  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA....

  I have a great friend that works for the EPA.  He's a subscriber to Mother Jones... and got into that path cause of his passionate interests in the environment dating back to the 70s. So yea, he's an old fart now.

  He's the most incensed person I've ever seen about the EPA. He stays there hoping he can make some small difference now that he's further up the food chain.  Fact is though, he's DISGUSTED with every report that has come out of the place.  Everything is skewed to facilitate to 'concern du jour'.

  So, your logic is that if cars are the number one cause of global warming, we should just throw our hands up and ignore numbers 2-200?

  Brilliant.On Animal-rights group makes the stupid claim that enviros must be vegetarians posted 2 years, 2 months ago 208 Responses

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  You're A Good Man, Grist... but missing the boat

  Unlike the folks that are ready to throw in the towel on the Grist cause of their position on this... I know that the Grist is good, just apparently not perfect.

  If we don't want to appear strident in our message and play nice-nice, that's fine. But don't slam the message of other groups making solid points just cause they are willing to be more 'in yo' face'.

  Yes, PETA would likely be in the top 5 of groups who are consistently willing to be strident and maybe even get extreme to make a point (gotta concede, even if with a chuckle, that a guy in a chicken suit in a Hummer would qualify) but lets face that such methods work.  Or have we already forgotten the strident cries of the Swift Boat campaign?  And those guys weren't even telling the truth (Dole went down about 50 points on my scale with that and he only had about 6 points to begin with).

  Anyway, Grist... ummm... stop whining.  In this case, PETA is not only on the 'right' side of the issue - you are looking like total SCHMUCKS for not espousing their point if not their methods.

  You can still pick on PETA if you want... but give them their due.  Simply 'minimizing' damage in this area isn't enough.  There is so little that individuals can do while this country elects leaders like Bush.  Each individual needs to start focusing on EVERYTHING they can do... not just the minimum.  I see it all the time with many causes... people going through the motions of the minimum necessary to be politically correct so that they can think of themselves as 'good' and be a bit self righteous.

  Guess what? Grist you are guilty of exactly what you are accusing PETA of... being self righteous and judgmental.  Kudos.On Animal-rights group makes the stupid claim that enviros must be vegetarians posted 2 years, 2 months ago 208 Responses