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Dear Bob Armstrong, Here's a study of the contributions of trace gases to the natural greenhouse effect--(Clough and Iacono, 1995) at http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/1995/95JD01386.shtml. (You'll have to pay for the full article.) It is not designed to specifically address your doubts about the physics of GHGs in the atmosphere, but should help clarify things for you. And, best of all, it is written for men and women of intellectual stature, such as you demand. If it's not good enough, just ask, I can send more links. And, perhaps, Stefan, Boltzmann, and Kirchhoff are not mentioned in modern climate research for the same reason Darwin is rarely mentioned in modern evolution research--it's unnecessary and irrelevant.On We have met the deniers, and they are us posted 4 days, 2 hours ago 147 ResponsesClick here to view comment in original post
Whoa, boys n girls, we got some science on the table. Looks like another "scientist" is throwin' graphs around. And this one's a doozy, this one tiny graph showing three years of--what is that? POINT 1 deg. C cooling?-- undermines years of research and computer modeling indicating higher temperature trends. Looks like we're headed for the next ice age, watch out! Might as well pack up and go home, eh, enviros? Erm, probably not. Here's a graph back atcha: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/guide/quick/doubts.html. Click on "Has global warming now stopped?" See, Sacks, there's no convincing these people. Prepare for a warmer world.On We have met the deniers, and they are us posted 1 week, 2 days ago 147 ResponsesClick here to view comment in original post
Uhh, when the author says that the environmental community has never actually tried to tell the truth, he meant that the truth has been soft-pedaled because of wimpy fears that the public can't handle it (the truth). He didn't mean that the enviro community was lying about climate change, that they are simply creating this monster to scare us all into living in haystacks and mud traps. Okay, since the Hitler card has been dropped, game's over. Godwin's Law--Sacks wins this one!On We have met the deniers, and they are us posted 1 week, 2 days ago 147 ResponsesClick here to view comment in original post
Same story as the commenter above cites, but fails to quote: "So is this good news for climate negotiations in Copenhagen? 'Not necessarily', says Knorr. 'Like all studies of this kind, there are uncertainties in the data, so rather than relying on Nature to provide a free service, soaking up our waste carbon, we need to ascertain why the proportion being absorbed has not changed'." Whatever the atmospheric concentration is, the long-term warming trend remains. I like this piece by Sacks, by the way, but his recommendations for averting the disaster would require a so-called *paradigm shift.* Societies in a multitude of independent nation-states, each with their own agenda (and language, culture, history...you get it), would have to radically alter how they view and interact with the world to accomplish "steady state, no-impact economics." I sure ain't seein' it in my little suburban community! No amount of repetition of dire consequences is going to cause that shift. Repetition will simply goad people to tune out, the way we tuned out the Iraq war after a couple dozen IEDs. It's going to take a magnificent disaster to finally convince people to change. And, then, it's too late. Climate change is an inexorable reality by now. The solution? There isn't one, but we can prepare for the worst, while at the same time beginning the shift to renewable energy. (We'll have to anyway.) Beyond that, it's anyone's guess as to the tragedy that awaits us. Have a nice day!On We have met the deniers, and they are us posted 1 week, 2 days ago 147 ResponsesClick here to view comment in original post
Outside of a decent piece on NPR and a few curio pieces on CNN, this event got next to no play on the major news media. I like the sentiment--clearly we have a serious problem facing civilization due to anthropogenic global warming. But I am not feeling the global sense of urgency beyond environmental activist circles accreting around this, the newest environmental slogan (or "meme" as Bill McKibben puts it). I hazard to guess that there were more people watching the USC vs. Oregon St. game than were participating in this event. The point, I suppose, is that we don't have time to wait the 20 years or so this slogan will take to really catch on (think Earth Day). We've debated climate change policy since 1992 while emissions (and denial) continue to increase. The time for wholesale migration to renewables was 30 years ago. The time for carbon trading was 20 years ago. The time for a carbon tax was 10 years ago. The time for a bleak realization of the future is now. Urge your local & national leaders to start planning for a warmer future, where water is scarce, food is harder to grow, disease is spreading, forest ecosystems are collapsing, and mass populations are on the move to more hospitable latitudes. Oh, and have a nice day!On Thousands gather worldwide on day of climate protests posted 3 weeks, 4 days ago 4 Responses