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    Water

    Why use toilet paper at all?  There are probably well over a billion people in the world who just use a little jug of water.  It actually works much better than toilet paper -- cleaner and feels better too, not to mention free.     On A review of recycled toilet-paper brands posted 2 years ago 21 Responses

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    He's still more politician than environmentalist.

    I've been a fan of Gore for about 15 years, and I'm elated to see him win this extremely prestigious award.
    However, it's hard to fathom how anyone who eats meat could deserve a prize for peace.  Is there anything peaceful about slaughtering animals?

    Did the Nobel crew not get the memo about the huge impact of meat-eating on climate change?

    What Gore should do now is to set a positive example for a responsible diet by stopping his nasty habit of eating meat.  I can understand his energy use -- he has a big mission.  But I wonder if he considers the climate issue important enough to change his eating habits.

    "Whatever action a great man performs, common men follow. And whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues." - Sri Krishna
    http://vedabase.net/bg/3/21/enOn Al Gore and the IPCC jointly win peace prize posted 2 years ago 56 Responses

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    followup

    Caniscandida,

    I wanted to respond to your points above...

    1.   To my understanding an environmentalist who chooses to eat meat is an idea that cannot be a reality in the modern world.  Still, if people imagine themselves as such, why should they be allowed to eat meat in peace?   They do not get their meat peacefully.  If someone wants to scavenge roadkill then I will not bother them, although I wouldn't advise it.

         As long as Grist maintains their position that eating meat is a minor issue related to environmentalism, I can't take the magazine seriously.  If they can't get this right, then they're doing more harm than good, and I don't want to be a part of it.  I'll wait a while to see if they can 'get it,' and if not then I will have to find somewhere else to invest my time.  I know leaving sounds lame, especially after so many years, but I'm very disappointed with Grist over this.  

    1.   Our dog and cats get vegan dog food and vegan cat food, supplemented with a variety of our leftovers, and the cats catch rodents.  They very rarely catch birds, and if I recall correctly, the birds predominantly found on the ground around here are an aggressive invasive species.  The makers of the vegan cat food recommend giving some meat to the cats, and our cats catch what they need and seem quite healthy.  They are definitely not `obligate carnivores.'  They really need very little meat.

    2.   The thing about the parrot is that he's really not a farm animal.  We should not have him, except that someone captured him as a baby in  Brazil to sell in the USA.  He was neglected for almost 20 years and then given to us.  We trained him, and after seeing the results the guy who gave him to us did a burglary to steal the bird back.  We sued, and won; but they guy had the bird again for two years while we were in court, and in that time the bird became unmanageable again.  He's still difficult to have around, screaming too much and being too aggressive and dangerous with his beak.  He also is very jealous, apparently thinking that he should be married to my wife instead of me.   Of course he's beautiful and cool and often a lot of fun, but he belongs in a Brazilian rainforest, not on a small farm in Pennsylvania.
    On Animal-rights group makes the stupid claim that enviros must be vegetarians posted 2 years, 1 month ago 208 Responses
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    Dick Cheney

    A few years ago, when people thought cars were the big vice harming the environment, Dick Cheney said energy conservation was a personal virtue.

    Now that the public is finally hearing that eating meat is the big vice, Grist says being a vegetarian is a personal virtue.On On PETA's latest campaign posted 2 years, 1 month ago 256 Responses

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    actually, no

    The easiest and most effective thing to do to reduce the burden on the planet is to have as many kids as possible who will teach people to live nicely.  

    I have no guilt at all about having kids.  I know they're going to help the world.  We'll probably have more.  

    It's a different paradigm, y'know.  It's not that the nature's resources are limited, the planet is simply offended by people's behavior.    

    The problem isn't the giving of life, it's the taking of it.On The subjects of PETA and vegetarianism ... posted 2 years, 1 month ago 15 Responses

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