YearlyKos: Obama and coal 13

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   ac5p Posted 11:19 pm
   04 Aug 2007

   Illinois has too much coalFor Obama to say the right things about it.  It shows a lack of confidence in himself.

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   justlou Posted 3:17 am
   05 Aug 2007

   Obama and CoalIt is difficult to imagine any of the candidates saying anything radically different about coal.  So, Obama is positioning right in the center on this energy resource.  Illinois has several new coal mining and power plant projects either in construction or in the planning stage as well as the hoped for FutureGen project it is bidding on.  There is a huge constituency for coal in IL but I hear very little in the media here reflecting any adversary positions. Obama is on very safe ground with his position on coal and corn ethanol.  
   Yes, this is all very unsatisfying, but I don't think we are going to be hearing anything really  visionary from any of the presidential candidates.  The vision is going to have to come from the bottom.  
   Power down.

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   ids Posted 8:04 am
   05 Aug 2007

   ILL EnvirosThere's very little in the media reflecting the adverserial position of coal because the Ill Eviro's are very ambivalent about coal.  
   The Illinois Sierra Club new burning plant in Springfield IL is something they are happy with.  The Clean Air Task Force is supporting a new 620mw plant in Taylorville.  This on top of giving Peabody Energy rights for its first plant ever, on the Prairie State Energy campus, by the corrupt Governor Blagojevich (D), who was endorsed by Ill Sierra Club after this.   No surprise there was one state Senate vote against giving FutureGen immunity from any unanticipated results in IL, and all else for, in a Democratic veto proof senate.  Corruption is at its roots.  

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   odograph Posted 8:16 am
   05 Aug 2007

   democracyThe tricky thing is deciding when people are lying for someone's benefit.   Sometimes politicians make happy talk and do nothing ... can I hope that ethanol and coal make happy talk leading to the election, but the right candidate will be lying?
   What's that "cynically optimistic?"

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   Ron Steenblik Posted 8:29 am
   05 Aug 2007

   OdographDoes sponsoring, or co-sponsoring legislation that would mandate huge amounts of ethanol, or provide lots of subsidies to coal, count in your opinion merely as "happy talk"?

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   odograph Posted 8:31 am
   05 Aug 2007

   seriousIf it's a serious bill (and not one of those designed to fail spectacularly) then that would dash my cynical optimism.

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   Ron Steenblik Posted 9:30 am
   05 Aug 2007

   Well,Senator Obama heartely endorsed the pork-laden "Energy Policy Act of 2005", posting on his web site a summary of it gleefully speaking of the "goodies" it contained for Illinois.
   And the Biofuels Security Act of 2007, which he co-sponsored with Senate heavyweights Lugar, Dorgan and Biden, looks pretty serious. It would mandate: for calendar year 2010, at least 10,000,000,000 gallons of renewable fuel;
   
   for calendar year 2020, at least 30,000,000,000 gallons of renewable fuel; and
   
   for calendar year 2030, at least 60,000,000,000 gallons of renewable fuel.
   For "renewable fuel", read ethanol, or ethanol plus a bit of biodiesel.
   Senator Obama also co-sponsored the Coal-to-Liquid Fuel Energy Act of 2007 (latest status: read twice and referred to the Committee on Energy and Natural Resources) and the Coal-to-Liquid Fuel Promotion Act of 2007 (latest status: read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance).
   
   

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   justlou Posted 1:35 am
   06 Aug 2007

   IL Sierra Club and "Transition" CoalFrom the State Journal Register (Springfield, IL):
   Sierra Club objects to Taylorville plant
   
   Coal-gasification facility designed to be less polluting
   
   http://www.sj-r.com/News/stories/11813.asp

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   GreenMom Posted 3:33 am
   06 Aug 2007

   Obama's state of knowledge...I didn't hear Obama directly at YearlyKos (I was there, but chose a different candidate's breakout session instead)...but can I still hope naively that his dodging and weaving will end if and when he is no longer worried that he has to go back to being Illinois senator?
   This may not be answerable, but by "clean coal", does he mean coal gasification (IGCC) plus sequestration, or either one individually?  Does he know the difference?  
   
   Does he understand it isn't necessarily possible to retrofit IGCC?  Does he understand that sequestration isn't geographically possible everywhere?
   
   Does he really think either option is likely to be viable on a large scale any time soon?
   It doesn't give me warm fuzzies about the state of his knowledge that he is still dancing around nuclear power either, just from a practical point of view...doesn't he know that making a dent in climate change with nuclear would require billions of dollars and god knows how many new plants...
   Oy vey.

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    David Roberts Posted 3:38 am
    06 Aug 2007

    I imagine he ...... like many, many legislators, views subsidies for carbon sequestration as the price that must be paid to buy the assent -- or at least prevent the implacable opposition -- of Big Coal to measures that fight global warming.
    As long as coal remains as powerful as it is -- and gets so little concerted pushback -- I'm not sure he's wrong.
    
    grist.org

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    GreenMom Posted 6:23 am
    06 Aug 2007

    That's true...
    
    Maybe so...though isn't it the utilities that will pay for sequestration, not Big Coal...not that they aren't intertwined.  I do take your point.

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    WKB Posted 7:25 am
    08 Aug 2007

    Ooooh, that John ThompsonHe was in Henderson Kentucky in June pushing an IGCC plant there. Clean Air Task FARCE, as my friend John calls it.

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    GreyFlcn Posted 11:51 pm
    08 Aug 2007

    YeapAnd Richardson seems to like Coal as well.
    
    As well as "Celwasik" Ethanol.
    
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOAE38havfw
    All I have to say about that is:
    
    http://greyfalcon.net/ccs

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