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Umbra on (inherited) fur coats 60

Oh advice maven on all things green, I have a problem!

I live in a very cold climate (read: Great White North) and my mother recently gave me my grandmother's old fur coat. It is the warmest thing I have ever owned, but can I wear it? It was a gift from my grandfather to my grandmother back in the early 1960s! I have other friends who are in the same situation -- they have recently received regifted family furs that are no longer in use. In one friend's case, the furs were given to her grandfather as a gift from First Nations people because he was a trader. I would never buy a fur coat, but is it OK to wear one that is twice my age and has been used and loved? If it is OK to wear, how do I communicate this to my eco-conscious friends? If it's not, what do I do with it?

Cold in Canada

Dearest Cold,

All the animal advocates, who have thoroughly thought through all the implications of wearing fur, instruct us to be fur-free. I am sorely tempted to say go ahead, though. I want to break my record for getting comments on an article: my personal best, so far as I know, is the cats vs. birds article of November '07, with 66 comments as of today. I bet I could easily beat that with a pro-fur recommendation. Even mentioning fur may get us close to 50 comments.

Is it OK to get dolled up?

photo: Robert Kosara via Flickr

As you know, today's furs are mostly from fur farms. Blameless animals are held in cramped cages until their early and gruesome deaths, when their skins are peeled off and their carcasses dumped. Mink, fox, rabbits, sables, and ferrets are usually cage-raised. These cage operations can have similar ecological impacts to animal confinement operations for food -- water pollution, odor, and disease. A few animals are hard to raise in confinement and are still trapped in the wild, including lynx and bobcat. Being caught in a trap is no party time either, and although trapping won't produce confinement-associated runoff, non-target animals are caught in the traps, injured, and then killed or released. Including: house cats.

If one believes that animals should be treated respectfully, there's pretty much no way to support fur. If one believes that animals are a natural resource for humans to harvest as we like, one still cannot escape the negative ecological impact of fur farming. Did I mention that mink are often gassed to death with carbon monoxide?

What about your furs from Ye Olde Dayes, back when trapping was a way to survive in a cruel economy, and furs were the only hope of survival in a cruel Canadian winter? The animal-rights activists rightly say: those days are over. Although your fur may be from that time, you live today, and wearing a vintage fur contributes to the glamorization of fur. Although I can muster some arguments against this idea. One might be: I don't have any friends who can afford a new fur, so grandpa's fur is not going to inspire new purchases.

But we believe that our individual actions have an impact, and we try to move toward a good life in all aspects of our days. If you are ready to make an anti-fur stance: No fur for you unless you fall into the No Other Choice category -- no money for another coat, live somewhere insanely cold, cultural fur tradition, etc. People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals accepts donated furs, which they in turn pass on to homeless people, use for anti-fur education, or give to animal rehabilitators. The Humane Society of the United States uses donated furs for animal rehabilitation as well, so that orphaned animals have a familiar surface to nestle against. I do find the idea of an animal orphan snuggling up against a dead animal a little creepy, but maybe the whole situation is just sad and there's no way around it.

Furrierly,
Umbra

 

Yours is to wonder why, hers is to answer (or try). Send your green-living questions to Umbra.

Umbra Fisk is Grist Research Associate II, Hardcover and Periodicals Unit, floors 2B-4B.

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  1. timdiller Posted 2:33 am
    09 Jan 2008

    Carbon Monoxide?I thought the big danger about carbon monoxide was that you couldn't feel it coming and it gave no signs of impending death. Correct someone else if I'm wrong, but I would not list that among reasons not to buy/wear fur. There are plenty of other, good, reasons not to do so.

    I think I'm on the side of don't wear it, or at least not in public. I'm sympathetic to sentimental value, but I have problem seeing fur on people, and a lot of people probably feel the same way even though they might not say anything. Unless, that is, you hang a big sign on your bag advertising that it was inherited and you weren't responsible for its purchase. That might ruin your look, though.
  2. lshultz Posted 2:53 am
    09 Jan 2008

    A better use for old fursI just happened to read in a "new year, organize your life" article that wildlife rehabilitation centers sometimes use old, donated furs to provide comfort to baby mammals.  The centers cut them up and use them to line cages and generally provide a type of mommy mammal substitute.  To me, this seems like a brilliant way to give a little back to the poor victims from whose greater family the furs originally came.
    I know that this doesn't directly address the "cold" part of the "Cold in Canada" letter, but there are so many excellent synthetic warm materials now that I'm sure the writer could be snug in a less controversial coat.  
  3. inkedbuddha Posted 3:31 am
    09 Jan 2008

    What about leather, too?I know the fur issue isn't the same (exactly) as the leather issue, but I'd like to get more info about leather. Does leather get "raised" in the same way fur animals do? If I'm not full vegan, is it hypocritical to not wear any leather as a statement? And what is a good choice substitute? I can't imagine that "washed PVC" (which has a very soft leather-like feel) is a better alternative, knowing the toxicity associated with PVC. I can't afford the highest end all-organic, all-synthetic products - at least I don't think so. Anyone have any good tips on how to shop both cruelty-free and toxics-free, on a moderate budget? Thanks!
  4. vagirl Posted 5:19 am
    09 Jan 2008

    Furry questionWell, if she wears the fur coat that was given to her, no resources will be used to produce, ship, market, a new coat for her....and by the way, what's creepier than baby animals cuddling up to the fur of a dead ancestor, is PETA's apparent belief that the rest of us should be above furs, so give 'em to the homeless....it doesn't matter what message homeless folks send to the world anyway.  Yikes!  
  5. moonwatcher Posted 5:49 am
    09 Jan 2008

    Leather vs. alternativesinkedbuddha:

    Leather comes from beef cattle, so it's more of a byproduct than fur is. But buying leather does help support the beef industry by making it more cost-effective. It's true that leather alternatives (usually PVC, sometimes not) aren't very environmentally-friendly, but neither is leather--they use tons of harsh chemicals in the tanning process. You also have to add the costs of the cattle raising into the equation. I'm not sure which is worse in the end. (Maybe that's a question for Umbra?) Being vegan, I personally come down on the side of non-leather because of the animal treatment issue, but there are valid arguments on both sides. And don't worry that it's hypocritical to avoid some animal products but not others--every little bit makes a difference.
  6. curlytoplaura Posted 5:50 am
    09 Jan 2008

    furs v. syntheticsI live in Alaska, and my prior attitude about furs (horrified) has given way to uncertainty in the face of a very complex question.  Here are some thoughts. First of all, nothing is better than fur (and other natural materials, like down) in these climates for pure insulating value and comfort.  Second, synthetics generally come from petroleum, which of course has its own sleu of ecological problems.  So some of this dilemma reflects the overarching conflict between whether you support animal rights for the sake of the individual animal or for the sake of broader ecological health.  I generally fall into the latter category, though I also advocate respect for life of all forms.  On the matter of respecting animals, I know plenty of trappers here in Alaska, many with Alaska Native heritage, who believe it is possible to trap animals respectfully, and feel they do so. In the end, I would probably happily wear a fur I had inherited, especially here in Alaska where it's more culturally acceptable.  I think that it's always good to stimulate conversation about complex issues.  I wonder whether such conversation could in turn stimulate the development of "sustainable, ethical" fur farming (or trapping) that might mirror the movement to raise animals for food in respectful, responsible ways.  Just as I eat free-range chicken, perhaps I would wear a free-range mink coat, or one made from furs trapped by someone whose ethics I trust.  (I also totally agree with vagirl's observation about PETA's double standard for homeless people.)
  7. sarasmiles Posted 5:52 am
    09 Jan 2008

    I think.....wearing a vintage fur coat is ethically okay.  Wouldn't this be the same as using a gold/diamond ring that's been in the family for years?  Seems like the same principal to me.  Please don't tell me to donate my mother's engagement ring to the homeless!
    Or, how about having the coat made into pillows or a throw for the couch?  That way you wouldn't have to offer explanations to strangers who don't know your ethics.
    I say, keep the coat and enjoy it.  Nothing you decide to do with it will compensate for what is long past.  

  8. tjdiefen Posted 5:57 am
    09 Jan 2008

    RE: Furry questionright. reduce, reuse, recycle. what better way than to wear a coat that will cost nothing in terms of money or global resources?  does it truly make a statement to wear faux fur (or leather) rather than the real thing when one can not tell by looking that it is in fact not the real thing?  the trap/not trap question goes much deeper than perceived or actual cruelty to animals, since we have already severely disrupted the predator-prey relationship (i.e: by removing the keystone predator) I believe we must compensate to some degree for that deficiency and maintain wildlife populations.  Which is worse?  allowing a species of animals to become so over populated that they all starve to death, or hunt/trap them and keep them at a healthier population on the ecosystem scale?
  9. elvcam Posted 5:58 am
    09 Jan 2008

    worn yesterdayNo way am I giving my mothers fur coat to a homeless person! How ridiculous tell your "friends" it is an inherited antique and they can adopt a policy of tolerance for your recycling method of wearing it until it falls apart and can no longer be worn. Lets here it for reuse!
  10. mearph Posted 6:14 am
    09 Jan 2008

    teddyMy Mom had my Grandmother's fur made into a teddy bear by a local artist.  I think it is a nice idea for sentimental furs coats.  You get to keep it.  You don't wear it so you don't show support for new furs.  Support local artist. It looks cute!
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    mjgoeglein Posted 6:31 am
    09 Jan 2008

    believe it or notI faced this dilemma several years ago when my mother asked if I wanted a coat that had been my grandmother's.  Grandma was eccentric at best, and --brace yourself-- the coat was gorilla fur.  

    Now, I am against any sort of fur, and every little bunny is just as important as any other animal, etc., but there is something incredibly creepy and disgusting about killing a gorilla and making a jacket out of it.  With that said, I was living/freezing in Minnesota at the time and if it had only been fake fur, the coat was really funky and cool....

    I wish I knew what Mom did with it. The thing was like a train wreck--so horrifying that you couldn't help staring at it...I'm not even sure that converting it into a teddy bear would have been anything but gruesome!
  12. wolfger Posted 6:48 am
    09 Jan 2008

    Cold in CanadaCIC, practice the big R - Reuse.  Honor the animals that gave their lives. And if you're concerned about friend's comments, add a homemade label of your own saying something like:
    Fur my Friends:  This coat is made from cage free animals harvested sustainably for life support.
  13. demolitionwoman Posted 6:58 am
    09 Jan 2008

    sentimental old thingIf it has that much sentimental value to you, you could keep and hang it on the wall as a sort of art (people do it with quilts and kimonos, etc.).  You could have a little grandma montage on the wall.
    I think it's a great idea to recycle - turn it into a teddy bear (if it's a big coat, you could make a few for other family members) or donate to the animal rehabilitators.
  14. wackatalpidae Posted 8:18 am
    09 Jan 2008

    animal already deadok to wear fur if animal already dead?
    ok to display lampshade made of human skin if person already dead?
  15. Werdna Posted 8:20 am
    09 Jan 2008

    being punished for the sins of our forebearersYou should not be penalized for the malfeasance of people who came before you.  The damage has been done and why throw it out just so you have to purchase another coat?
  16. wackatalpidae Posted 8:22 am
    09 Jan 2008

    homeless peoplesad to give them fur to keep them warm
    sad to make them stand out as the ones clad in fur
    sad when they show up at work wearing old fur coats,

    damaged in some manner to reduce their value

    so no one steals them
    a badge for the homeless
    not good for job interviews

    why you wearing that old fur coat
    how about helping the homeless find jobs

    so they can buy real coats and

    walk through the city with dignity and

    maybe even find a home
  17. Jen from Brooklyn Posted 8:31 am
    09 Jan 2008

    family fursI also have furs in my family, and have been thinking for years about what to do with them when they eventually devolve to my posession.
    On the one hand: Creating fur coats out of living animals is, with a few exceptions, a deeply disrespectful thing to do. It feels even more disrespectful to waste the sacrifice of the animal by not using that fur in some way until it is worn out. It also feels disrespectful of the significance of that fur in my family to use it for animal rehab. My family came to this country very poor, and the purchase of the fur coat was, at that time, a significant cultural marker of what they achieved in one generation.
    On the other hand: I can't imagine wearing it. If I could, I would feel good about using it to have a complex discussion about a complex issue. I disagree with PETA on this issue. But I can't imagine wearing it - it would just feel too gross to me. So, I still don't know. Good thing I have a generation between me and the coats.
    I have to think about the teddy bear idea. It would gross me out to cuddle a bear like that, but a kid wouldn't need to have baggage like that, and it would be a good opportunity to talk about the issues when the kid is older. But kids are often too impulsive to be able to treat a toy like that with the respect it deserves.
  18. ladyrockstar Posted 8:56 am
    09 Jan 2008

    furs     I was happy to see that they actually use carbon monoxide to kill the mink before skinning them.  Back in the 50's, my grandfather got a job at the fox farm down the road from his place.  He was there about an hour the first day when he came home crying, and said he couldn't work there any more.  He said they gave the foxes a small shot of chloroform into their noses and hurried up to get them skinned before they woke up (they said the skins came off easier if they did it while the animal was still alive).  He said they then threw the bodies on the pile behind the building, and that all those poor foxes woke up and were squirming around on the pile with their skins gone.

         It was more than he could stand, and he quit after only an hour, but the job haunted him for a long time after that.

         A fox farm near us had a large wheel out front, and every day they would put a fox in the wheel and he could run in it all day (but he could also stay still, and sometimes we'd see him just lying on the bottom of the wheel).  The Humane Society made them take the wheel down, because they said it was cruel.  I felt so bad, because I'm sure that the fox that got to spend the day in the wheel was the happiest one in the place.  All the others were in tiny little cages where they could barely turn around, and they spent all day weaving back and forth because there was no room to move.  

         I never could quite imagine why the wheel would be cruel, but the tiny little cages were OK, and skinning foxes alive was OK.  I was thrilled when the farm finally went out of business!
  19. frantique1 Posted 9:21 am
    09 Jan 2008

    Fur vs. SyntheticsEveryone should educate themselves as to where and how your clothing and other consumer goods are made.  I will wear fur and wool until we stop sacrificing American soldiers on the altar of $100/barrel oil.  Petroleum is used/refined (read: polluting our air using more oil to operate refineries) for making synthetic fibers to wrap ourselves in, carpet to snuggle our tootsies in and artificial furs - yes they are made from petroleum - to be fashionable.

    I am an interior designer - clients don't want to use wool because of the mistaken idea that you kill the animal to obtain wool! Sheep are sheared yearly to obtain one of the finest fibers for clothing, carpet, upholstery fabric, drapery fabric.  Wool lasts longer and cleans better.  (Smartwool)  I try very hard to educate people about eco-friendly ways to decorate.  

    Please, wear your leather shoes! Leather is much healthier for your feet; plasics don't allow your feet to breath so you will be prone to fungus, etc. Leather is used from slaughtered animals from that steak you just ate for dinner.
    Many eco-friendly clothing designers are switching back to wool for the fibers.  It is much more comfortable than fleece (oil)and cleans much easier.  If you must have carpet that will become home to all the chemicals that you paint on your driveway and have sprayed on your lawn, make a point to buy carpet made from recycled plastics and have your old carpet recycled - mills will take it back. Please don't pile it on the curb to go to the landfill.
    I encourage clients to re-use or at least take things to Habitat Restore or to hazardous waste.  I reuse old wood floors, refinish existing to look like it has history.
    Learn to sew and remake old jeans into potholders, old wool sweaters into mittens, make liners for your boots out of old fur.  
    The opportunities are endless with a little research and creativity
  20. equa Posted 9:59 am
    09 Jan 2008

    More on furWould you wear a hand-me-down jacket endorsing a political candidate you loath? Wearing fur seems, to most people, tantamount to endorsing fur. Reusing clothes is worthy, but what clothes you wear make a statement about your values and lifestyle. It doesn't seem a huge leap of logic that the more people seen in public wearing fur, the more socially acceptable wearing fur becomes. I'm all for the reusing-in-a-different-form ideas we've heard here.
    A final thought: would little baby animals cuddling into synthetic materials that degrade their environment be any less creepy than the use of actual animal materials?
  21. eram Posted 10:15 am
    09 Jan 2008

    also strugglingI have 2 furs from my great aunt (and an ivory necklace & earrings--ugh). I will absolutely NOT wear them (or the ivory), but the furs are sentimental and I'm really torn about giving them to recovering animals due to the sentimental value and wondering if my anut would roll over in her grave.
    Personally, I wouldn't want anyone else to wear them so I won't donate them. I literally look at them every day, wonder how modern humanity can be so cruel in the name of "fashion", and also wonder what they hell I'll do with them.  I don't think a teddy bear or pillows will do...
    I am very curious, how much petroleum does it take to make 1 butt length coat with shell & liner?  It is not enough for me to know that it's from petroleum--approximately how much petroleum are we talking about?  I try to make fully informed decisions. Thanks.
  22. cebnalb Posted 10:32 am
    09 Jan 2008

    Lampshades for my wifeYes.  My wife has directions to make me into several lampshades soon after I die, along with an intricate keychain.  I hope you don't have a problem with that.  She can do anything she likes with my skin after I die, I gave her my permission.  
    Let's all support the oil companies and buy more synthetic clothing.  One more reason for BP, Chevron, and others to keep pumping oil, and destroying this planet; so you can have your synthetic fleece.  Meanwhile the ice caps of both poles continue to melt and more species continue to die; and more petroleum pollution problems continue to ruin this planet.
    You don't know too much about animals if you think not killing any animals is a way to save them all.  It is better for you to overpopulate an area with too many animals so they can all starve to death or die of some other disease.  I believe that is ignorant.  
    Sustainable harvesting is one way for the rest of the live animals to live a long and healthy life.  
    Saving the environment and saving more habitat is the key to animal survival, I believe.  
  23. berwind Posted 10:53 am
    09 Jan 2008

    petajust in case you all forgot, or didnt know...PETA is basically a terrorist organization. For example, they released some mink from a farm. The farm was near a highway. Since mink are oily, when the mink got ran over, it made the road slippery, causing a big accident. they bomb things too.
  24. jas Posted 5:51 pm
    09 Jan 2008

    reusing furtough dilemma.  How about lining the inside of a parka with the inherited fur?  Seems like it would be more effective that way, I've never understood the fur on the outside thing.
  25. llj Posted 11:52 pm
    09 Jan 2008

    Thinking broadly and consistentlyGreat thread - lots of critical thinking and some not so much so...

    Anyone who eats meat, dairy, fish, or poultry, wears leather or keeps domestic pets reliant on meat, or commutes by motor vehicle, or flies, or uses new wood or carpet or paint or any number of other common habits is contributing to animal deaths in one form or another (direct killing, habitat loss, pollution, climate change etc.). Some of these things are easily avoidable for some of us and some aren't. But unless one is able to say categorically that they do nothing to harm animals in any way (a claim I would argue is impossible for the vast majority) then the argument about an old fur coat must move beyond the fact of using animals to a new level.
    I'm in full support of the 'reuse' argument for those who find themselves in possession of a family fur (as I did) and I don't think that cutting up a perfectly wearable item is a reasonable response to the problem. Our whole way of approaching life via material things has to shift away from looking to what's 'in' (meaning stylish but also acceptable to our friends) toward what exists now and what is therefore infinitely more sustainable than calling something new into production. If you have a fur that is in good condition, don't make it into a frivolous teddy bear to avoid the difficult questions, use it with pride. If you are scared of being seen to support an industry you don't want to support, have a good furrier or tailor help you reverse it (the truly sensible way to wear fur for the cold anyway). But do make practical use of it or give it to someone who will. Well treated, a fur coat can last a lifetime (hence the huge number of heirlooms) and we show ultimate respect to the animals, the planet and future generations by making full use of them.
  26. claudiajane Posted 12:42 am
    10 Jan 2008

    On judgment in general, and furDear Umbra,
    In your column, you write:
    "If one believes that animals should be treated respectfully, there's pretty much no way to support fur."
    If one truly lived out this argument, which is based in absolutism by the way (belief in absolute standards against which moral questions can be judged, and that certain actions are right or wrong, devoid of the context of the act), then, under such absolutism, one would not type on a computer, use pens, write on paper, live in a house, wear clothes, etc., etc., etc., as a result of the disrespect, direct or indirect, each of these acts would inflict on other living beings - animal or vegetable.  
    Part of the reason why we live in a dichotomous world, a contentious world, a world of war and riled up irritation, is because of absolutism.
    Judgments people make about each other, whether on account of a person wearing fur, or driving a hummer, or marrying someone half one's age, or cutting down a tree, or having children, or having abortions, or being gay or lesbian, or being Catholic, or being Muslim, all contribute to the sometimes holier-than-thou attitudes in the society we live in today, in which people point fingers at each other and say, "what you're doing is wrong, and what I'm doing is right."
    So, Umbra, I would encourage you to broaden your perspective, and embrace the complexity that is part of our world, rather than advocate absolutist argumentation that contributes to the contentiousness we all deal with on a day-to-day basis.
    You also say, "But we believe that our individual actions have an impact, and we try to move toward a good life in all aspects of our days."
    In moving closer to that good life, why not try embracing the complexity and diversity of human culture and the free will of making furred, non-furred, and used-furred choices?  
    That gesture alone might help build a better world for all of us.
    Thank you,

    Claudia Jane
  27. Bobo Posted 3:02 am
    10 Jan 2008

    Absolutely ridiculous.Don't wear fur. I don't care if it once belonged to your great grandmother, who happened to be an actual Queen, and generation after generation handed it down to you with the utmost love. You can explain to your friends but you cannot explain to every single passing stranger, every mother, man, and child, that cringe or their eyes tear, when they see you display it on your person. It doesn't matter if it's a family heirloom, or if the animals it is made of were killed lovingly (you have GOT to be kidding), the fact is it is fur and should not be worn. So just say no to fur, no matter how cold it is outside, or what culture you live in.


    It isn't needed. If you're fretting about buying a brand new coat, don't. Buy something second hand, inexpensive, and fur-free, local so it isn't traveling over those countless miles wasting more gas, making more pollution, etc., etc.


    Keep the coat in your home to treasure it until it rots. You need not transform it into a mocking teddy bear, or a few throw pillows, nor hand it over to a homeless person, or animals who... require to cuddle up to dead ancestors (Seriously? That is revolting.).





    And please can we get rid of the illogical and deluded  "allowing a species of animals to become so over populate" hoopla which is by no means an excuse to run amuck and kill animals for our own material desires. There are certainly a lot more people in this world than anything else, and we're not fair game.


     Also, unless I'm living under a rock (and I've checked, I am not) there are no species running rabid all over the world destroying every thing (minus human beings, of course) just because another species isn't murdering them to keep the, uh, population in check. Nature doesn't need our so called help. She's been doing fine on her own a long time before we showed up.





    I also am sick to death of the global guilt that if we use paper, or drink water, or have a home, or wear clothes, or BREATHE we are destroying the world. Grow up. Every bit of conservation does make a difference. I'm so sick of the doom and global guilt. Those who make efforts in their daily lives to reduce the waste behind are the teachers to whom we should all be looking to for wisdom, and reuse their positive habits enriching our own lives.

    We're not getting very far with so many anchors weighing us down, so lighten up!
  28. claudiajane Posted 3:19 am
    10 Jan 2008

    Agreeing (to some extent) with BoboThough I do not agree with Bobo's initial argument ("it is fur and should not be worn. So just say no to fur, no matter how cold it is outside, or what culture you live in") on account of its lack of cultural tolerance, I do agree with the latter argument in Bobo's post.
    "Every bit of conservation does make a difference... Those who make efforts in their daily lives to reduce the waste behind are the teachers to whom we should all be looking to for wisdom, and reuse their positive habits enriching our own lives."
    Isn't that the whole point of free will?  Being able to CHOOSE, based on personal ethics and cultural background, to conserve and reduce waste, rather than having a heavy hand TELL us what we should and should not do?
    That's what lightening up is all about, at least for me, and I couldn't agree with Bobo more on that one.
    Thanks,

    Claudia Jane
  29. Greta Posted 5:11 am
    10 Jan 2008

    Don' wear. Offset with donation...I vote "don't wear" (/don't endorse).
    I like the animal rehabilitator donation idea.
    The PETA 'give to homeless person' idea is so wrong, for so many reasons.
    Is there nothing else that you hold dear to remind you of your grandmother?  Perhaps, fond (deathless, eco-friendly) memories? If you decide to keep it, why not make a donation to an animal sanctuary to offset that choice -- save one for the one killed.
    I had a pair of leather Army boots (can't much find them in non-leather variety) that I sold on eBay and donated 100% of the sale to the Farm Sanctuary -- a non-profit who rescues farm animals.
    [I, too, was given a fur mink stole of my grandmother's. If it ever surfaces again, I'll have to figure out how to get rid of it.]
  30. Greta Posted 5:12 am
    10 Jan 2008

    As to historically-significant furs...Donate to a museaum.
  31. laurenmcnees Posted 5:35 am
    10 Jan 2008

    fur teddy bearsI had an old fur coat made into a teddy bear, which I absolutely adore. I highly recommend it for sentimental furs that you want to keep and enjoy without actually wearing.
    http://www.stadlerfurbears.com/
    http://www.hicksfurs.com/beargallery.php
  32. caniscandida Posted 7:39 am
    10 Jan 2008

    "don't wear" = don't endorseUmbra, your response to this question is very good.  Please do not be put off by confused moral relativists such as Claudia Jane.
    Greta, thanks for mentioning Farm Sanctuary, an admirable organization whose excellent work needs more publicity.
    Leather is indeed as problematic as fur, even if the sources are not quite the same.  Not all leather is a "by-product" of the meat industry.  But even if it were, why should that make it OK to wear leather?
    Before I was much aware of this issue, I purchased four bolo ties from Southwestern Native American craftsmen, all of which have rawhide cords.  At this point, as much as I like them, I cannot wear them, until I find some adequate plant-based cord material to replace the rawhide cords.  Any advice would be most welcome!
  33. claudiajane Posted 1:06 pm
    14 Jan 2008

    Please continue to considerDear Umbra,
    I hope you continue to consider the argument I shared with you above.  In lieu of consideration, it might be easy to brush off my comments and instead shift your focus to personal judgment, as did caniscandida.  As easy as it might be an attack mechanism, ad hominem doesn't help sift through solid thought.
    As to caniscandida's request for advice, I have to question it - why purchase more goods (even if plant-based)and thereby use more global resources when you have perfectly good ties to wear?
    Thank you,

    Claudia Jane
  34. elequire Posted 11:12 pm
    14 Jan 2008

    to fur or not to furMy dad raised chinchilla for a while. This was before air conditioning was common even in the south. I loved the chinchilla house. It was cool, well ventilated, and immaculate. Nice chinchilla furs do not grow on mistreated animals, I learned.
    I also have a mink coat received as a gift that I wear whenever it's very very cold. Once I slept under it when I had no heat in the house for three or four days. I wore it to the barn to crack ice for the outdoor animals.
    It's 20 years old now. Despite abuses in the fur industry, when the coat has saved me from hypothermia, I try to weigh the pros and cons. Do you know what miserable deaths wild animals suffer? Starvation, disease, natural predation.
    When you slice into that nice hothouse tomato, do you worry about the immigrants huddled in tiny block houses with no windows, no ac, who break their backs getting the fruit to market with no bruises?
  35. tbh Posted 11:53 pm
    14 Jan 2008

    fur coat teddy bearsI don't know if this is a perfect solution, but somewhere on the web is a place you can send your old fur coat, and have it made into a teddy bear!
     For those of you too sentimentally attached to Aunt Alice's animal hide, perhaps this is a solution. It surely won't inspire others to go out and buy a coat to cut up into a bear.
  36. evesegal Posted 12:20 am
    15 Jan 2008

    re-using an old fur coatI used to have a fur coat. When I grew up, I gave it to a relative who lives in a much colder climate where she is very grateful to have it (but she didn't buy it for herself). I could not condone anyone's buying a new fur coat, but it seems absurd not to make use of one from animals that have been dead since long before anti-fur consciousness became widespread. Renouncing the use of the coat as a source of warmth makes no sense to me. Don't we urge recycling?
    Maybe the Canadian could turn the old fur coat into the lining of a silk (is silk from silkworms pc?) or Polartec (old pop bottles put to a better use) coat. Or just wear it under a cape so people don't notice. But face it, in very cold climates nothing warms like fur. What should Inuit wear?
    Giving old furs to the homeless or for animal rehab are great ideas!
  37. evesegal Posted 12:21 am
    15 Jan 2008

    re-using an old fur coatI used to have a fur coat. When I grew up, I gave it to a relative who lives in a much colder climate where she is very grateful to have it (but she didn't buy it for herself). I could not condone anyone's buying a new fur coat, but it seems absurd not to make use of one from animals whose suffering dates to long before anti-fur consciousness became widespread. Renouncing the use of the coat as a source of warmth makes no sense to me. Don't we urge recycling?
    Maybe the Canadian could turn the old fur coat into the lining of a silk (is silk from silkworms pc?) or Polartec (old pop bottles put to a better use) coat. Or just wear it under a cape so people don't notice. But face it, in very cold climates nothing warms like fur. What should Inuit wear?
    Giving old furs to the homeless or for animal rehab are great ideas!
  38. Lainey Posted 3:06 am
    15 Jan 2008

    Wear the coatWear the damn coat. I don't condone killing animals, but this is an antique coat. So, if you throw it away, is that good? Now no one wears it, and this person has to go out and buy a synthetic piece of crap that has contributed to destroying the environment through the making of this garment?? The antique coat is slowly rotting in some dump, which will take how many years to decompose?
    There is no simple solution here. The rational decision would be to wear the coat, as this animal it belonged to has long since been killed.
    Everything we do has some effect on the environment it seems. Which has the least impact? Anyone know?
  39. ZooLady Posted 3:29 am
    15 Jan 2008

    Another Non-use ideaI actually don't have a preference/suggestion as to whether or not one wears the coat.  There's a lot of arguments for and against and I think it depends on your individual situation.  
    If you opt not to wear the coat and do not have an overwhelming sentimental attachment to it, then consider donating it to a zoo, nature center, or similar organization for educational use.  Hopefully this was what was done with the gorilla coat (ew) mentioned in an earlier post.  As disturbing as it was it would probably have made an excellent tool for educating people about bushmeat and poaching.  In one sense the more exotic and disturbing the fur, the more value as an educational tool.  Zoos and nature centers can also make good use of tortoise shell bracelets, etc.
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    PermieWriter Posted 3:35 am
    15 Jan 2008

    Meaningful useI agree with llj that it is best (not to mention wisest) to wear the coat with the fur on the inside. It is unfortunate that such a useful fabric has been tainted by a horrible industrial process.
    What is really unfortunate is that so much righteous fervor is spent upon fur when there are so many other inhumane processes (trucking, glass-walled office buildings, conventional farming) that have animal impacts in orders of magnitude more severe that go nearly unprotested.
  41. katrose Posted 4:40 am
    15 Jan 2008

    don't oversimplifyAsking the question in the first place--is it OK to wear this?--kind of oversimplifies the issue, as if there were a clearcut right answer.  I would not wear fur down the streets of New York City, regardless of its origins, but I would easily wear my grandmother's fur in a cold Canadian town, where it would not be perceived as a fashion statement.  But I would not buy a fur to wear it in that same town, especially not fur from a fur farm.  
    There is no excuse for the horror that goes on in fur farms.  But condemning all use of fur, as in traditional Northern cultures, is narrow-minded.  Read Sherry Simpson's essay "Killing Wolves," which is anthologized in Lee Gutkind's In Fact: The Best of Creative Nonfiction.  Simpson spends time with Alaskan trappers in order to report on them, and though she is averse to the idea of trapping, she finds not heartless animal-killers, but deeply respectful men who are brave enough to exist as part of nature that is no stranger to difficulty and death.  In these cases, taking a few animals from the forest has no environmental impact, besides the animals themselves.  Going to absurd lengths to NOT use what falls into our hands is almost disrespectful of the animals that died.
    Some people here are responding on a purely emotional level with the oversimplified idea that all killing of animals is inherently wrong and repulsive.  People have relied on animals for all of time.  If only everyone realized we have an obligation to treat them humanely.  And yes, sometimes population control is humane.  Actually, Bobo, nature does need our help, because we have upset ecological balances, and some species, especially invasive ones, are running rampant over parts of the world.  We have an obligation to control these populations for the sake of native species.

  42. claudiajane Posted 5:43 am
    15 Jan 2008

    I'll take them.If there are fur coat owners out there who feel torn about what to do with their coats, heck, give them to me and I'd at least use them for a rug or something.
    Creative Serendipity
  43. asterisk Posted 8:42 am
    15 Jan 2008

    Fur exposurewearing fur can be an anti-fur statement depending on the state of your antique fur.  If the fur is pristine, it will look 'nice', that is, presentable in public as a 'pro-fur' statement.  Now imagine a somewhat ratty fur that has the leather or scuffed part died red.  This fur will appear to be 'gross', while still warm and comfortable (at least physically).  It will be a challenge to wear in public, as it will offend 'pro-fur' people with the reality of an image representing the previous animal's pain.  I tried this with an old 'Guardia Seville' leather coat and got quite a gamut of reactions.
  44. Denali10 Posted 3:35 pm
    15 Jan 2008

    Won't Wear It (also notes on Alaska trapping)I thought about purchasing a jacket with a synthetic fur ruff on the hood and I decided that even wearing a fake fur promoted the fur trade and I didn't buy it.  Regardless of what people needed to do to survive historically, we don't need to trap and kill our coats, hats and rugs today.  There are better alternatives.  Also, I live in Alaska and I haven't run into any "deeply respectful men who are brave enough to exist as part of nature that is no stranger to difficulty and death."  Trapping is inhumane and unnecessary.  Trappers in Alaska take over 1000 wolves a year (not to mention the lynx, wolverines, etc.)  In addition, the Alaska Board of Game opened up the Chugach State Park to wolverine trapping this year despite the protest of many citizens.  By the way, there are less than 20 wolverines in the area that they've opened to trapping.  How's that good for the animals?  Don't believe all of the hunter propaganda.  If Alaska's board of Game has their say, Alaska will become a moose farm where the only predators are man...
  45. jex Posted 11:15 am
    16 Jan 2008

    BoboI liked your point about 'population control'. There's one case I can think of though where it is entirely justified - here in Australia. There are many many introduced animals here that stuff up the environment. Wild camels, wild horses, wild boars, wild foxes, wild cats, wild goats, wild rabbits, european bees and wasps... they all are introduced and all do MAJOR damage, tearing up the native flora and either hunting or competing thousands of native animal species into extinction. They are the animal equivalent of humans; it's sad, but in Oz, killing a fluffy wuffy bunny rabbit does much more good than harm. In fact our government spends kabillions trying to control these animals.

    'Pony skin' boots are made out of stillborn baby calves. (My friend works at a boots factory). I'm not sure if that's more sad, or less sad.
  46. frw Posted 3:43 pm
    16 Jan 2008

    Wear The Coat!!!llj said it best above.  There are plenty of ways to wear this coat without supporting the current fur industry in any way.  I like the inside-out idea.  The benefits of re-using to the habitats, animals and the global environment trump all of the no-fur-no-exceptions arguments.  And that's not even considering your obvious sentimental longing to keep it and wear it.  Go ahead, get creative, find a way to honor grandma, and the little minks' grandmas who all died to leave you this coat.
  47. kristofeichenlaub Posted 1:44 am
    17 Jan 2008

    Welcome to a living planet!    I would like to start off by saying that at this point I am honestly striving to live a vegetarian lifestyle along with living an otherwise fairly environmentally friendly lifestyle.  No, I am not perfect but then nobody is.  One issue that I find rather disturbing is the massive, apparently one sided, animal rights movement.  Yes, I agree that animals are living things and that they deserve respect.  In fact, I am a part-time animal trainer and animal rights activist.  The issue I take is the idea that it for the mere reasoning that it doesn't kill or cause pain to animals that we should all be vegetarian and not use any animal products.  The problem with this logic is that surprisingly (at least to some) plants are living things as well.  Not only that but just like animals plants work hard to stay alive and respond to injury just as animals do.  No they don't usually scream or cower when you cut into them but then neither do fish (at least not that I have seen) which does not mean to it is right to kill fish but that all living things and in my opinion all non living things are due respect at least at some level.  To be clear I respect George Bush, I mean come on, for an apparent idiot with little to no apparent morality or thought beyond self preservation and benefit to dupe so many in this country into voting for him by clever tricks, skilled deception and word play (note I don't attribute most of these directly to him as by all outward characteristics he has none of these abilities) does deserve respect.  Moving on.  While a fur coat may take the lives of hundreds of cute and furry animals it can also last a lifetime or more, keep you warmer than virtually any other material, and in an optimal setting give not only improve your on sense of self worth but also increase your understanding, compassion, and respect for the animals slain.  On the other hand, a box of cereal costs the lives of possibly millions of blameless wheat, corn, barley, or oat seeds that are the equivalent of human embryos for nothing more than providing you a substandard (protein regardless of the source powers the body for longer per unit weight/mass) energy source for a few hours.  The only real benefit that I see to plants as a food source is the concept of trophic levels.  If you do the research, which I have as a former wildlife biology and biology education student, it becomes clear that eating plants has the primary benefit of allowing a human total environmental footprint to shrink drastically in that the resources a plant needs to feed a human is much less than animals need.  Eating is simply the consumption of refined energy.  As heterotrophs (different feeding) living things we cannot refine our own energy we can only consume prerefined energy.  Plants can as autotrophs, they use solar energy (energy from the sun) and chemical energy (from soil, dissolved minerals, etc) to power their life processes.  Animals have evolved as a somewhat parasitic organism that feeds off of what plants have gained.  Most plants seem to have accepted this reality by doing things like using our consumptive habits to further their own goals (packaging their seeds, their children, inside lovely, tasty, completely nourishing and healthy vessels called fruit so that we might eat them and transport them to new locations and then deposit them with a valuable energy supply in the form of our feces) while attempting via thorns and poisonous chemicals and other methods to stop us from eating them directly.

         Thus by this logic I would say that eating a vegetarian lifestyle is generally not any better in the lives consumed department especially if you don't keep up the your end of the bargain by replanting the seeds you eat.

         The best lifestyle I can think of is a return to a fairly hunter-gatherer lifestyle in which people grow what they can in limited space and within their ecosystems constraints, gather what they can from the wild in both plant and fungal life that we can successfully consume as well as animal life that further refine energy from sources we can't directly consume (note:  cows eat grass, we can't we eat them to get at the grasses nutrients) if we all did this and followed this lifestyle in as primitive of methods as possible we would by my thinking have a much more sustainable lifestyle.  By the way I do realize that this means there needs to be large tracts of public wild lands for this to work, and that many could not succeed at this (they would most likely die off which is unfortunate but would greatly benefit everyone and everything but themselves, and that this would greatly limit out upward climb as species in some ways but then so would death by overpopulation and indirect suicide by our own stupidity and self absorbance.  All in all if everyone starts looking at everything (not just some specific lives like babies and certain cute and fuzzy animals) as sacred and realizing that lives are meant to be spent (that is it would seem why they all end someday no matter what you do) thus that they should be made the most of not only by the being that owns the life but by everyone then maybe we could stop worrying and be happy.  ~Kristof
    P.S.~Eat, drink, love, be loved, live, be happy, and most of all do your best.
  48. brendabrn Posted 4:29 am
    17 Jan 2008

    furIf it's already made into a coat, then use it as a coat!  

    Let's not get too carried away here: an item that exists deserves to be well-used until it is no longer usable - the old New England Yankee-credo of 'use it, use it up, then use it again' until there's nothing left.  If you view the creature that provided the fur with respect & honor, & you need the fur to be warm/safe/protected/survive, there is no dishonor in wearing a fur coat.  

    I don't advocate going out & slaughtering animals solely for the benefit of their skin/fur, but it is obviously true that the modern replacment fabrics generally tend to petroleum-derived, & where's the benefit to Gaia in that?  

    The fur-trim on Air Force parkas in the Arctic is from an Arctic fox or wolf because that fur is created to provide warmth & to be ice-free in that environment - no disrespect in using it for its intended purpose if the original owner can no longer enjoy its benefits, eh?  I have no fur in my world beyond that worn by my animal companions, but I wear wool & cotton & silk because the fibers serve to protect me & feel good, too, & their owners/producers don't contribute to the horrific problems of global warming (when we wouldn't need any fur anyway, right?)  

    Bottom line: you know if you are being honorable, you know your own intent - accept responsibilty for your decisions & go for it!
  49. Wren Posted 3:39 pm
    17 Jan 2008

    Reusing what is already in existenceI figure, as long as you're not buying it, you should use it until it's no longer usable in some way or another.  You did not buy the coat, in fact, the coat is older than you are, so it's the most eco friendly solution to use it SOMEHOW rather than to throw it out or let it rot in your closet when it could have a use.  The real question is whether it is SOCIALLY or maybe even MORALLY acceptable to wear it, more than ecologically.
    I am a seven-year vegetarian (and yes, that means I won't buy fur or leather, either... if an animal has to die for it, I won't buy it, with the only exception of food for my cat... because cats don't generally do well on veggie diets, and I'm not going to make another animal suffer (my cat) in order to save other animals from suffering.  For cats, it is pretty necessary to eat meat; not so for humans... and yes, I have seen a vegan food for cats, but even that comes with a mess of warnings about how not all cats fare well on it, so I am not going to risk her health trying it) and I still own a few pairs of leather shoes that are yes, more than seven years old (shows how often I wear them, eh?).  I am not going to throw away something that is perfectly good and buy new ones, because that is creating waste both in the tossing of the old ones and the creation/shipping of the new ones.  Plus, I am not rich, and that is economically not smart for my budget, either.  So, I will use them until they are unusable, just like anything else, because the damage was already done by the time I came to this state of consciousness/morals, and to toss-and-buy would create MORE damage.  So I say, if it doesn't bother you to wear it, wear it (I never knew you could reverse a fur coat... that's a good idea).  If it does bother you to wear it, however, and you feel like everyone on the street is leering at you, then use one of the other (useful) ideas, such as donating to an animal rehab center (while some may think it's creepy, the little baby animal that would use the fur doesn't think to itself, "hey, this is the skin of aunt millie" ...it thinks, "warm, soft, familiar.").  You could have a custom button made for the coat if you do decide to wear it that reads something like "This coat is older than I am, and I inherited it. I am using it until it is worn for ecological reasons," or whatever.  Personally I couldn't wear it and would give it to a rehab center, but I can deal with my shoes until they're worn out, so we're all different.  Being an animal rights activist and also an environmentalist doesn't clash for me... I don't go to the extreme of one at the cost of the other.  For instance, a lot of vegan retailers advertise their "cruelty free" VINYL wallets and bags.  I'm sorry, but there are other non-leather alternatives that don't involve VINYL (for the love of Pete).  So I'm not buying their stuff just because it's not derived from dead animal parts.  On the flipside, a natural/organic/eco-friendly retailer that I love offers DOWN bedding, and I'm sorry, but that's just too cruel for me.  I don't care if it's encased in organic cotton and has no chemicals involved in it's production... there are other alternatives to chem-laden bedding that don't involve plucking some poor bird in horrible ways that I have read about and will not relate here.  The point is... it's not all or nothing.
    Oh, and for the person who made the comment about eating the cereal is killing so many wheat and oat plants, instead of cows or whatnot... you are actually killing less wheat and oat and corn and so forth by eating the wheat and oat and corn yourself, rather than the beef.  There is always more corn, etc. involved in the raising of the cow than there is in your bowl of cereal.  There is some statistic that I am too lazy to look up right now that will tell you exactly how many pounds of grain went into making your one pound of meat.  It's always more grain used per pound of meat, because they have to feed the cow/pig/sheep of course, and they eat so much grain over their lifetime.  I never thought about that either until I read it in some veggie book. I do believe that plants are aware (For more on this subject, I highly recommend reading the book "The Secret Life of Plants").  Not only because I am an animist Pagan, but because of the scientific evidence such as that talked about in aforementioned book.  So I'm happy to know that eating the plants by themselves is not only saving the animals, but also many more plants (and after all, we have to eat SOMETHING).  So I try and remember to be grateful to the plants that died/gave a part of themselves for my food.
    Anyway... I hope the original question-asker tells us what her ultimate decision was! : )
  50. amc89 Posted 4:41 am
    23 Jan 2008

    lots of petroleum used to make furOne above poster's suggestion that fur farmers start raising their animals in a free range manner made me laugh.  There's no way to raise territorial predators such as fox and mink in a free range system. They'll all kill or injure each other. So it's completely unrealistic to expect the fur farming industry to let mink and fox out of their tiny, barren cages any time soon.
    I am disappointed that some people concerned about petroleum use simply assume that real fur is a petroleum-free product just because it came from an animal and is therefore "natural" and "renewable". Let's think about this a bit more deeply.  To take the hides and pelts of an animal and make them into a fashion product, you're going to need to work on them a bit. Fur is processed and dyed with a number of harmful chemicals such as chromium, often in China, a country with few environmental and labor regulations. And once you buy a fur, new or used, you'll need to have it cleaned.  And the only way to clean a fur without damaging it is dry cleaning, which involves some pretty horrific chemicals.
    Also, a tremendous amount of fuel is needed to ship these pelts around the world. Pelts from animals raised on fur farms or trapped in the woods (and I don't think these trappers are driving hybrids to check their trap lines) are shipped to the auctions, manufacturers, distributors, retailers and so on.  It also takes a huge amount of fuel to house, feed, and slaughter the thousands of animals on fur farms.  It takes about 40 mink to make just one full length fur coat.  
    So the bottom line is that if you're concerned with petroleum use, don't spend your money on a $5000 real mink coat that needed large amounts of harmful chemicals and fuel to produce when you can buy a synthetic coat that very likely used a fewer quantity of chemicals and fuel and probably costs a lot less. The main reason why real fur is so expensive and is considered a "luxury" is because of the huge amounts of input needed to produce it.  Common sense really.
    Same goes for wool and leather. Just because it's a "natural" material doesn't mean it's environmentally friendly.  Livestock accounts for 18% of global greenhouse gas emmissions, and that includes cows, sheep, and goats.  Leather and wool are also processsed and dyed with harmful chemicals.
    If you don't want to buy a synthethic coat, buy a coat made from recycled materials, organic cotton, hemp or other animal-free eco-friendly materials.  These products may be a bit more expensive than the convential synthetic coat but will almost always be cheaper than real fur.
    As for the gassing of mink with carbon monoxide, this is cruel because mink are semi-aquatic animals and can hold their breath for a very long time and thus it can take a long time for a mink to die when gassed, more so than another mammal that is not semi-aquatic.
    As for trapping, it's important to keep in mind tha many animals still trapped for fur are predators that are declining and that play an important role in the ecosystem, including lynx, wolves, wolverines, leopard cats (native to Asia) and bobcats.  Coyotes are not declining, but it's still unfortunate that they're being trapped so heavily given that they are important predators that kill fawns, rodents and other animals we often view as "pests".  And with coyotes, studies have shown that the more you target them, the more they reproduce, so trapping is most definitely not the way to control their numbers (though I don't think they they need to be "controlled" in the first place).
    If you inherit a fur item, I think Umbra's suggestion of donating it to a wildlife rehabilitator is the wisest choice. Anything we can do to support injured wildlife and improve their chance of recovery should be supported.  Most wildlife rehabers in the US and Canada are volunteers and depend on donations of supplies and funds.  
    For more information on locating a wildlife rehaber near you, visit

    http://www.nwrawildlife.org/page.asp?ID=214
     
  51. eram Posted 7:08 am
    23 Jan 2008

    how much petroleum to make one fleece?Did someone answer that? Sorry if I missed it, but I'd like to know.
  52. Northerngirl Posted 1:52 pm
    26 Jan 2008

    fur coats, PETA, etc.I lived in Edmonton for a few years, and sure envied the warm fur coat my housemate inherited from her mom.  Go ahead and wear the coat when it's really cold out, I say--you're lucky to have it.  I support the right of First Nations people to pursue a traditional way of life, and that includes trapping and hunting. I think it should be done as humanely as possible, and I don't support using fur in the fashion industry, but I believe there are valid uses for it. As far as donating the coats to homeless people or victims of war:  how ABSURD!  If it's so wrong for me to wear my grandmother's coat, how is it OK for some Afghani refugee to wear it?  And when I went to PETA's website, I was appalled by their use of naked women in their anti-fur campaigns. Yes, let's promote the dignity of all life, and that includes female human beings!  
  53. Gatta Posted 10:28 am
    29 Jan 2008

    Ancestral FurWear the fur coat as a bathrobe and spread it over your bed at night. You'll sleep warm and be warm around the house.
    Alternatively/in addition, have it sewn into a waterproof silk or synthetic cover. It will still keep you warm, and nobody needs to know what your waterproof coat is padded with.
    Destroying the coat won't help the mink. They've been dead longer than you've been alive. Frankly I find the idea of mink teddy bears and throw cushions perfectly revolting.
    --Gatta
  54. Gatta Posted 10:53 am
    29 Jan 2008

    Wearing FurOn the subject of native people trapping fur-bearing animals in their native habitat: I treasure the observation of one of my friends that the only people entitled to wear fur are Eskimos and cats.
    For what soft-hearted sentimentality is doing to animals in their native habitats, I strongly recommend Stephen Budiansky's The Covenant of the Wild, for a common-sense approach to wildlife management, which does NOT include killing off predators (per the agendas of that idiot in Boise, Idaho and that idiot in Washington, D.C.) to save the poor deer and elk or make some moron with a high-powered rifle feel like a Great White Hunter.
  55. Gatta Posted 12:52 pm
    29 Jan 2008

    Ivory?If the thought of wearing ivory disgusts you, by all means donate the necklace and earrings to a zoo or an animal-welfare museum. You are right, the problem is the same as for inherited fur. I guess it all comes down to what turns your stomach.
    However:


    You might want to read what Stephen Budiansky has to say in Chapter 1 of Covenant of the Wild about the protection of elephants in African game parks, where populations are falling drastically due to the poaching of elephants for black-market ivory, versus the elephant management program in Zimbabwe, which involved the local villagers in maintaining the elephants and their habitat. The villagers shared in the income from tourism and the ivory from culled animals. From 1960 until 1990, when the international ban on the sale of ivory went into effect, the population of the elephants in Zimbabwe nearly doubled. Elephant habitat also increased, because some villagers turned their land back to elephant habitat instead of farming it. And as you may imagine, the local people come down very hard on poachers.
    You might want to give some thought to the ivory carvers of the Far East who have been put out of work by the ivory ban. East Asian craftsfolk are not generally wealthy people.


    (One farmer did just that while he was sitting around cussing the elk antler that had just ripped up yet another tractor tire. Why not collect the elk antlers that littered his fields and ship them to Indonesia to give the out-of-work ivory carvers something to work on? It was a win-win solution if there ever was one. It helped the ivory carvers. It got the antlers out of the farmers' fields and gave them a little bit of extra income. And it didn't harm the elk, who drop their antlers every year and aren't too fussy about where they do it. Though I suppose we can't all be that inspired.)
    If you want the look of ivory without the guilt, check out vegetable ivory. Vegetable ivory comes from the tegua nut, which grows on the tegua palm. The tegua palm grows in the South American rain forest. Harvesting the nuts gives a source of income to local villagers and gives them an incentive to keep tracts of rain forest standing where the tegua palm grows. Tegua nuts also give out-of-work ivory carvers something to work on, and the result is indistinguishable from elephant ivory. Tegua nuts are a renewable resource. There's a crop every year and an incentive to plant some of the nuts to make more tegua palms.
  56. amc89 Posted 5:45 am
    30 Jan 2008

    Most fur does not come from Aboriginal peopleThe reality is that very few fur items on the market today come from animals trapped and killed by aboriginal people in Canada or elsewhere. Most fur comes from fur factory farms, and the fur that does come from trapping typically does not come from Nunavut or other aboriginal territories.  Most trappers in the US and Canada are Caucasians, not Aboriginal peoples.
    Your average fur coat or fur-trimmed garment, which is often not labelled as to country of origin, found at Macy's or Neiman Marcus likely comes from a fur farm in Utah, Wisconsin, Nova Scotia, Europe (most of which are in Denmark, as well as Finland, Norway, Russia, and Poland) or China. China now actually raises more fox than Finland, which traditionally has been the main fox fur producing country.  In terms of mink farming, China is second only to Denmark. Needless to say, animal welfare and environmental practices on Chinese fur farms has been found to be extremely poor.  Investigators documented Chinese fur farmers frequently killing the animals by slamming them down on the ground and skinning the animals while they were still conscious.

  57. joyf1 Posted 3:56 am
    04 Feb 2008

    mink farm storyIn response to berwind who mentioned the mink farm.   Well, I was there.  The farm is off I-80 heading into Salt Lake City.  It was a snowy, wet, October day when activists released all the animals.  The mink headed for the woods behind the farm, not onto the interstate which was higher than the farm.  Unfortunately, many mink died of exposure.  A lot of neighbors in the area attempted to rescue the animals but were unsuccessful.  The whole thing was a tragedy but no accident happened on the road.  Just to straighten the record.  Thanks
  58. FurDiva Posted 4:47 am
    16 Apr 2008

    Yes...Wear your fur.

    Or if you feel that you just cannot, therei s always the option of selling used furs.
  59. joshswat Posted 4:56 am
    26 Oct 2008

    Sorry if I offend you...but I have no problem with fur.  We as a people, and I'm talking about the entire human race, have been wearing since the dawn of time.  I find it amusing that in the past few decades we have decided that we are above it.  No, I don't think it's right to bludgeon them to death for the furs, but there are ways to humanely put them down.  I do however think it is wrong to keep supporting the oil companies and have them drill and pollute our planet to the point that the ice caps melt and all our beloved polar bears drown to death, because we thought it was wrong to wear a mink, and instead went with synthetic fibers.  Fur is natural, and its population control.  This planet is already severely overpopulated as it is.
  60. joshswat Posted 5:42 am
    26 Oct 2008

    and I want to addTo those who don't believe in wearing fur, I respect your decision.  I'm not going to criticize you for not wanting to support it.  My room mate doesn't believe in it, and I support her.  I just ask that you don't criticize those who do wear fur, just because they don't share your beliefs.  We live in a free country where we can have these opinions.  Also, I don't think I've ever heard of PETA blowing anything up, so I wouldn't accuse them of that.  I do think they are a bit tyrannical in their pursuit of animal rights (not everyone can be a vegan).  They have stated that they don't throw red paint on fur wearers though, so that's good.  With the cost of fur, I wouldn't want to be the one throwing the paint.  I do believe that is considered destruction of private property and I would personally sue the hell out of anyone who did that.  I think we should all show some tolerance and stop the bickering.  Do what you feel is right and don't judge those who don't share your beliefs.

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