Water power 7

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   Clark Williams-Derry Posted 9:25 am
   13 Jun 2006

   Uh, no.He says:
   "Take water and electricity, and we break it down through a very unique electrolysis process."
   So the power doesn't come from the water, it comes from the electricity used for electrolysis.  Sounds like a hydrogen flame of some sort.  Probably nifty for lots of applications, and possibly more efficient for some applications as well.  But not a new energy source.  I'll eat my shirt if it is.

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   ffletcher Posted 9:38 am
   13 Jun 2006

   H2O Yields H2 and O2By breaking up the water bond with electricity H2 and O2 can be produced.  These two gases, hydrogen and oxygen, can then be burnt in a flame that will result in a temperature higher than hydrogen burning in atomsphere.  Hydgrogen flames appear to have less associated conductive heating than do other flames containing carbon.  I suspect this is due to it lower density.  It is a cool property of hydrogen of which I was unaware.

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   Icelander Posted 11:18 pm
   13 Jun 2006

   Okay...So he uses electrolysis at the point of generation to create hydrogen and oxygen, then burns it to create water.
   Is there something I'm missing?

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   amazingdrx Posted 12:27 am
   14 Jun 2006

   Debunkhttp://hytechapps.com/
   Found his site.  Patenting the electrolysis of water and combustion of hydrogen and oxygen?
   I think he's a bit too late on that.  Most of us did that in chemistry class in high school.
   Another scam is my guess.  Where is that perpetual motion energy debunking site again?  Oh yeah.
   http://www.randi.org/jr/2006-05/052606action.html
   
   http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

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   ffletcher Posted 1:20 am
   14 Jun 2006

   The Heat TransferI think the low heat transfer nature of a hydrogen flame is interesting.  Note how cool the torch remains while having a hot flame.  I checked into that and found that hydrogen produces a very well defined heat profile.
   Clearly not perpetual motion, that reliable sign of a fool, but no doubt patented, but I doubt it is the electrolysis of water.  Burbank has a hydrogen filling station that uses electrolysis of water using a method patented by Air Products.  I assume the patent is associated with the electrodes or how the voltage is modulated between the electrodes in response to the demand for hydrogen.  If using tap water rather than demineralized RO water there would also be water treatment issues that one could probably patent.

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   Clark Williams-Derry Posted 6:04 am
   14 Jun 2006

   too quick to judge?I may have been premature in dismissing this out of hand.  Apparently, there's some promise in using hydrogen as a gasoline additiive to boost vehicle efficiency while reducing emissions.  See, e.g.,
   
   http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/11/hydrogenenhance.html
   There also seem to be a bunch of "hydrogen boost" kits available on the interent -- caveat emptor.
   Stll this is not about cars that run on water (duh), which is what the news story seemed to suggest.  They still run on gas, but perhaps a little more efficiently.

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   amazingdrx Posted 10:56 am
   14 Jun 2006

   20 to 30%..Improvement in mileage with this plasma device?  Assuming that takes into accout the energy expended to create the plasma with electricity from the car alternator, that would increase mileage of an economy car about 10 mpg to 40 or 45 mpg.
   Mr Kline is claiming 100 mpg.  All based on mysterious new chenical bonds that are yet to be explained.  And a device that even though he claims  it is patented, that he presents no explanation for operation or a link to the specific patent.
   And where can one buy his new welding system?  it burns right through charcoal?  Hehey.  As Randi says on his site:  
   "Denny Klein is selling to FOX26 News in Clearwater, Florida, via their excited reporter Craig Patrick, as a system that will run a car for 100 miles "fueled" solely by four ounces of water! In the video, a hydrogen torch using "HHO technology" that Klein demonstrates, is described by ridiculous expressions such as, "hotter than the surface of the Sun," and we're told that it takes "only seconds to literally burn a hole through charcoal." Duh! Charcoal burns, dummy!"
   
    
   
   http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

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