Virginia OKs uranium mining study 29

A proposal to mine uranium in south-central Virginia advanced this week when a key state body approved a study of the matter. The targeted site is in Virginia’s Pittsylvania County just north of the city of Danville and close to the border with North Carolina’s Rockingham and Caswell counties.

A subcommittee of the Virginia Commission on Coal and Energy OK’d the study yesterday after deciding on exactly what issues should be examined, the Richmond Times-Dispatch reports:

Some opponents asked the panel to vote against the study, hoping that would kill the mining proposal.

But state Sen. John Watkins, R-Powhatan, a member of the subcommittee, said approval of the study did not mean approval of mining in Pittsylvania.

“That decision is a long way down the road,” Watkins said.

The panel will look at mining’s effects on people’s health and ecosystems, identify pollution issues and review current mining regulations. But it denied a request by Del. Watkins M. Abbitt Jr. (I-Appomattox) to consider how water pollution specifically might be prevented. The subcommittee’s chair, Del. Lee R. Ware Jr. (R-Powhatan) argued that the study already included that issue.

The study, which will be conducted by the U.S. National Research Council, is expected to cost $1.5 million and last about 18 months. It remains unclear how the work will be funded, according to the paper.

As Facing South reported previously, Virginia has banned uranium mining for the past 25 years. Virginia Uranium—a privately-held company formed several years ago by the owners of the land where the uranium was found—has been pressing to get the ban lifted. To that end, Virginia Uranium contributed almost $30,000 to state lawmakers last year alone.

The Pittsylvania County site is believed to hold the largest undeveloped uranium deposit in the United States and the seventh-largest in the world. It holds an estimated 60,000 tons—enough uranium to power all the commercial nuclear plants in the country for about two years. The company estimates its value at about $10 billion.

While the company has maintained that the uranium could be mined safety, uranium mining has a history of causing serious environmental health problems, having been linked to chromosome abnormalities, birth defects and cancer in communities from Texas to Germany.

Uranium mining also poses a serious threat to drinking water. In 1979, for example, a dam holding uranium mining waste at a New Mexico facility owned by the Virginia-based United Nuclear Corp. burst, sending more than 1,100 tons of toxic discards and 90 million gallons of contaminated water into the Rio Puerco. Once an important drinking water source for nearby Navajo communities, the river remains dangerously contaminated today.

Officials in Virginia Beach are among those opposing the uranium mining plans. They have noted that a tropical storm or hurricane could breach the mine’s waste impoundment and pollute downstream water bodies including Lake Gaston, the city’s drinking-water source.


(This story originally appeared at Facing South)

Sue Sturgis is the editorial director of Facing South, the online magazine of the nonprofit Institute for Southern Studies in Durham, N.C.

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    Atomicrod Posted 5:19 pm
    23 May 2009

    Sue:It is important to remember that Virginia has approximately 147 coal mines within its borders and a number of large coal fired power plants. Each of those facilities represent a source of potential environmental damage at least as large as the single uranium deposit.The owners of the land where the uranium was found are members of a family that has owned and farmed the land for generations. They intend to continue living in their family home, which tells me that they will be quite careful in extracting the tremendous energy value out of the land.With your reporting of the amount of uranium located there, you mentioned that it could supply all of the nuclear power plants in the United States for 2 years. What you did not mention was that was under the assumption that we never improve our utilization of uranium from its current wasteful, once through cycle. If the 60,000 tons of uranium was fissioned in breeder reactors, it could very well supply the entire US electrical power demand for 25 years or more.In my mind, that is a quantity of energy that is worth exploring.Rod AdamsPublisher, Atomic Insights.Host and producer, The Atomic Show Podcast
  2. Linda Goin Posted 6:26 pm
    12 Jun 2009

    Hello Sue - thank you for carrying this story, as it seems that not many folks realize how important this study will be - if the moratorium is lifted, it will present the first opportunity to mine and mill uranium ore east of the Mississippi. Concerns about how the weather will affect this mine are legitimate. This proposed mine will be open pit with open tailings ponds.What you did not make clear is that this study is not site-specific. It is a statewide study. The uranium vein runs from North Carolina into northern Virginia, and lifting the moratorium means that the entire state will be open for mining.I'm very pleased that Mr. Adams identified himself, as his letter is interesting, yet correct. He is a fine proponent for using spent uranium rather than to dig for more in a state that is highly populated with many water systems. Frankly, I'd prefer using spent uranium rather than become part of a dangerous experiment.Linda Goin
    Publisher, Appomattox (Virginia) New
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    Atomicrod Posted 6:36 pm
    12 Jun 2009

    Linda - If you are so concerned about water quality, what are you doing to stop coal mining and coal burning in VA? Rod AdamsPublisher, Atomic Insights
  4. Linda Goin Posted 2:16 pm
    19 Jun 2009

    Sorry for the delay, Rod; I did answer you, but either Grist eliminated my answer or I did not press 'send.'My response was that I am focused on the uranium mining issue only. The only reason I responded in the first place was because the article is about uranium mining. I refuse to answer to a bait-and-switch from uranium to coal in response to the man who publishes Atomic Insights. How silly would that look?
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    Atomicrod Posted 5:11 pm
    19 Jun 2009

    Sue - Unlike you, I cannot approach issues in isolation. I began learning about atomic energy at a young age, when I asked my dad - an electrical engineer who worked for utility with a lot of oil burning power plants - if there was any way to get electricity without needing smokestacks.Of course, he could have taught me about wind and solar instead, but he realized I wanted electricity all the time, not just when the weather was right and the sun was shining.With the technology we know, there are only two choices burning coal, oil or gas or fissioning uranium, thorium or plutonium. If you fight against fission, you are fighting for coal.Of course I have a point of view and make that very obvious from my publication's name. However, do you think I make much money from my advocacy or that I depend on following someone else's lead in this topic? As we both know, you also have a point of view and do not approach this issue as a disinterested bystander. Rod AdamsPublisher, Atomic InsightsHost and producer, The Atomic Show PodcastFounder, Adams Atomic Engines, Inc.
  6. Linda Goin Posted 6:48 pm
    19 Jun 2009

    Rod - I don't know if you were addressing Sue or me - you addressed your response to Sue, but it appeared that you were addressing my focus. I admire your advocacy. Truly, I do. But, I'd rather do without than do with uranium mining. I have no beef against nuclear power plants. None at all. I have a problem with what fuels them.Have you ever lived near an open pit uranium mine? I have. Have you had friends' property values drop at the mere mention of in situ mining in the area? I have. Have you had friends die of cancer, yet professionals state that it has nothing - nothing - to do with the dust from the uranium waste pile twenty miles down the road? I have.If I am fighting against uranium mining, I am not fighting for coal - no more than if I fight against cancer, then I'm fighting for heart disease. I am addressing the article written above, which is focused on the uranium mining study, which affects the uranium mining moratorium in Virginia. As you mentioned in your first note, we have enough depleted uranium to fuel our nuclear reactors for a while...no sense in mining any more uranium - especially in an area so close to urban areas and near a major drinking water source. You obviously know about Coles Hill from the knowledge you imparted previously. Surely, you also know the dangers of that particular location and the political implications of lifting a statewide moratorium in the process.You obviously have a stake in the 'atomic' industry, Mr. Adams, so I don't fault you for your desire to bait and switch when a problem arises that affects your industry. But, I think this nation needs to address the messes left behind by the 'atomic' industry before any more doors are opened. I think the Navajos would agree with me on that one.
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    Atomicrod Posted 3:01 am
    20 Jun 2009

    Linda - I apologize for my carelessness in my response - I was addressing your comment. While I understand your history with the uranium mining industry, I am confident that the people associated with Coles Hill will be good stewards and successfully avoid the effects that you describe. Technology has come a long way since the 1950s and 1960s. As I understand it, the deposit is mainly on the land of long time residents of the area. It is near their ancestral home. Based on the information that I have read, they intend to remain residents of that home while the mining takes place.That is a pretty good indication that they intend to act responsibly. If nothing else, they deserve to be able to conduct a detailed study that can be reviewed by both interested and disinterested parties. You and Sue seem to be fighting against the very idea of a study - that indicates a certain predisposition to the answer and a strong rejection of knowledge. That position is not something I can understand.Your analogy about battling cancer versus heart disease is not relevant. Cancer and heart disease are not competitive ways of achieving similar end products - coal and uranium are. Both are essentially sources of useful heat that can be converted into electrical power - surely one of the most useful and flexible products ever developed. They are also almost exclusive competitors; if you want reliable, low cost power, they - along with natural gas in certain areas - are your only real choices. If you make it more difficult to obtain uranium and force the supply down, you will shift the playing field a bit towards coal and gas. That is the inevitable result of making it more difficult to obtain uranium and taking what might be the largest deposit in the US out of consideration for extraction. Fighting against fission is fighting for fossil fuel combustion whether or not you want to admit it.  Finally - I would agree that we have plenty of uranium that is already above ground but that material is in a form that requires a more fully developed industrial base of recycling and fast reactors than we have in existence today. We could have been there by now, but anti-nuclear activists (some of whom were very definitely pro-coal, oil and gas activists as well) managed to convince a very lightly trained and experienced, self-proclaimed "nuclear engineer" to shut down the industry that could have made used nuclear fuel into a useful industrial scale input to our energy supplies. We will need mined uranium for quite some time as we expand the atomic industry and work to eliminate the emissions from coal, gas and oil.Rod Adams
    Publisher, Atomic Insights
    Host and producer, The Atomic Show Podcast 
  8. Linda Goin Posted 6:48 pm
    20 Jun 2009

    Dear Rod. I wouldn't be so confident about Walter Coles and company. Although that land has been in his family for generations, he does not live there. And, only a fool would live within minutes, let alone less than a mile, from an open pit mine (if it would even be possible re: regulations). This "family-owned" mining operation is a fallacy. Santoy, out of Canada, already has merged with a portion of VUI and plans to take that portion of the company public (the finance division).Nuclear technology has NOT come a long way since the '50s and '60s. When mining took a dump after 3-mile island and when the price of uranium dropped, the industry pretty much went horizontal, not vertical. Even the new-generation nuclear power plants (re: Discover magazine June 2009) are not ready to go on line for another decade, if then.The only thing that has changed is the development of in situ mining, which is mining without the open pit. It still affects water sources, although it does eliminate the need for waste ponds. Instead, the waste is left underground.I am not fighting the idea of a study. What I feel, however, is that the study will not stop what is happening at Coles Hill, no matter how dangerous. The study is not designed to allow mining or disallow it - it merely looks at the safety of uranium minng in the state. It is not site specfic. That study will not tell anyone how safe uranium mining might be at Coles Hill.The largest deposits of uranium happen to be in the four-corners region out west, Rod. It sounds as though you have picked up some rhetoric from this particular issue in Virginia and you're repeating it. You tend to forget that I am anti-uranium mining - I am not anti-nuclear energy. And, the nuclear industry has been plugging along for the past twenty-five years, albeit rather shoddily.Tell you what - if you can produce evidence of a new way to safely mine an open pit uranium mine in the eastern U.S. (an experiment, as mining has never been conducted east of the Mississippi), I would be happy to hear about it. I've already talked with Patrick Wales, the geologist at VUI, and his description of the mine is no different than the one that the EPA just finished cleaning up at Uravan, CO. Cleaning up, btw, with U.S. tax dollars. How is that "new" and "different"?Then, if you can tell me how this country can safely store nuclear waste, I'll be happy to hear that as well. We are not "there" today because the easy way was to simply store it in leaky containers at Yucca Mountain (and elsewhere - just about each state has its dirty little nuclear waste stockpiles).Your industry, Rod, did not progress simply because it wasn't worth the money. Uranium just now is heading north price-wise, and that's the heat under the nuclear power industry. Miners, residents who live near a uranium mine and milling process and more will suffer for what you and other pro-uranium mining individuals want. Money, nothing more.
  9. Smidgen Posted 12:26 am
    21 Jun 2009

    I live in KY where this country's only uranium enrichment facility is located.  The health issues that so many of the gaseous diffusion plant's workers have suffered are the stuff nightmares are made of.  I don't want anymore uranium traveling the entire length of my state.  The thousands of barrels of  radioactive waste at the plant are rusting...and there's nothing anyone can do but wait for the nuclear holocaust.I'm well-aware of the uranium mine and mill proposed at Coles Hill, VA.  Everything Linda says is true.  Should mining be permitted, the entire state will suffer as a wide vein of uranim runs north and south through almost the entire state.  Since mining has never been carried out in the US in a densely populated area, let alone one with the erratic and sometimes ferocious weather patterns found in VA, any attempt at mining uranium there will be an experiment.  And if the history of open-pit mining is any indication, the experiment will be devastating to all living things for at least 80,000 years if not longer.  There are many Virginians who don't want their lives used as the ante for such a potentially lethal gamble.Viginia Uranum Inc,, along with all its sundry subdivisions, holding companies, etc. is using every trick in the industry's play-book to snooker the residents closest to the proposed mine site into believing that nothing but good things (and maybe a little dust) will emanate from this mining/milling endeavor.  VUI claims it will create hundreds of good-paying jobs and dump gazillions of dollars into the local and state economies but fails to mention the ruination of property values, contamination of rivers, lakes and streams that feed parts of NC as well as Virginia Beach and the military intallations in the Tidewater area, the end of safe farming, the myriad serious health issues that have affected so many residents in areas where U mining has been mined around the world. The internet has opened the floodgates of information for otherwise gullible citizens...the industry propaganda is losing its luster as the truth seeps out.  The tragedy is that even as citizens learn about what could easily happen to them if the mining goes forward, they do not have the financial clout to buy off as many influential people and agencies as the mining companies have.  When a company spends close to $1M to lobby a legislature that did not overtly deal with anything U-related, folks know that good ol' Walt Coles' claim of being a good  neighbor who won't harm anything or anyone is hollow and pure b.s.Tell me, Mr. Adams...how close do you live to an open pit uranium mine?  If you're as far from one as I think you probably are, then let's change the question:  Would you let your children attend school at one of the private residential academies that are within 15 miles of the mine site...drink the water...swim in the lakes...boat and fish in the rivers...eat locally grown fruits and vegetables and locally produced meat?  Would you want your children on a school bus traveling the same 2 lane, curvy country roads as the trucks transporting U ore?  There will be a handful of people who make money if this mine and mill are allowed.  But you are more likely to realize capital gain from them than are the overwhelming majority of the citizens that will live in the shadow of Coles Hill.  In fact, you are more likely to gain in any way possible that those living in Coles Hill's shadow.  There's something wrong with that.                                   
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    Atomicrod Posted 3:59 am
    21 Jun 2009

    Smidgen:Actually there has been uranium mined in the Eastern United States. I spent many years living close to where it occurred. I also spent many happy hours swimming in the local lakes and encouraging my daughters to do the same. You see, my home state of Florida - a pretty densely populated state, by the way - is one of the world's primary sources of phosphate, which happens to occur in nature with a relatively large portion of uranium. The central part of the state has a large number of open pit phosphate mines. Back when I was a young lad and uranium was selling for about $40 per pound (when $40 meant far more than it does today) the phosphate miners determined that it was worthwhile to remove the natural uranium component from the material that they were mining. http://www.dep.state.fl.us/geology/programs/hydrogeology/uran_iso_appl.htmI have also lived for months at a time within just 200 feet of an operating nuclear reactor. I encouraged my son-in-law to enter the profession as well. (I tried with my daughter, who is also an engineer, but she did not want to be stuck operating the power plant of an aircraft carrier while having to also deal with pilot egos.)The waste handling methods of the nuclear industry are FAR superior to those of the fossil fuel industry, its main competition in the power production business. All of the used nuclear fuel is safely being stored, nearly all of it right on the site where it was first generated. NONE is being stored at Yucca Mountain. There have not been any cases anywhere in the world where a person has been injured due to exposure to used nuclear fuel. That is because we handle it with care and use a very simple mantra of controlling time, distance and shielding to protect workers and the general public. In contrast, our competitors, the fossil fuel industry, simply build taller smokestacks or ash storage ponds and hope that dilution is the solution to pollution.You are right about one thing - the internet has opened the floodgates of information. It is no longer controlled by the corporate media and subject to the fossil fuel advertising dominated corporate decision making that allowed enormous quantities of misinformation and scary stories about nuclear energy to be published without effective response from people who had access to better information. If you think that VUI lobbying with a $1M is an example of influence peddling, what do you think that the tens to hundreds of millions of dollars spent by coal, oil and gas interests is?Rod Adams
    Publisher, Atomic Insights
    Host and producer, The Atomic Show Podcast
  11. Linda Goin Posted 7:26 am
    21 Jun 2009

    I have to butt in here, Rod, and thank you for the information re: Florida. Thank you, Smidgen, for your comments as well.Rod, you stated, "There have not been any cases anywhere in the world where a person has been injured due to exposure to used nuclear fuel."For those who are following this conversation, please read Montrose, Colorado's Daily Press special edition on uranium mining and health (http://www.montrosepress.com/special_sections/ - top left of all special sections). And please note that Rod states, "used nuclear fuel," not uranium from mining nor radiation from failed reactors or exposure to nuclear reactors that may cause thyroid problems (http://www.rt-image.com/blog/BehindTheZine/index.cfm/2009/6/9/Remember-Erin-Brockovich).My focus in addressing this article has been and will remain on uranium mining; although, it is important to note that you, Rod, keep comparing nuclear power (not uranium mining) to the entire coal industry. Coal mining is inextricably linked to the power generated by coal, just as uranium mining is connected to the power generated by uranium - nuclear power. Mining cannot be divorced from coal, nor can it be divorced from nuclear energy.When people suffer from the effects of uranium mining and they don't have the necessary documents or record-keeping that follows that person after working in a mine, when they get sick a few years later, many government entities and individuals like you, Rod, want to blow off the sickness as something that occurred from another source. Even the guy who fell into a vat of yellowcake and who has problems consistent with toxic exposure is denied compensation - surely he must have received this toxicity elsewhere, right?This is the problem for all miners - lack of documentation on health problems. But, when entities such as VUI dangle money and jobs for over 500 people (and we have yet to find an open pit mine outside Uravan that employed 500 people - perhaps you could help us with that, too, Rod), the people - who have never mined a day in their lives look to people like you, Rod, to help validate their hopes and to mitigate any risk they might learn about.While you might see me as a radical against nuclear energy (which I have stated before that I am not), I wonder how you can sleep at night. But, then I think that, perhaps, you are in complete denial about the problems that exist in this industry.
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    Atomicrod Posted 7:59 am
    21 Jun 2009

    Linda - You asked for information about an open pit mine that employed 500 people. According to its home page, the Rossing uranium mine in Namibia employed 1,175 people as of the end of 2007.http://www.rossing.com/emp_humanpotential.htmIt seems to me that the responsibility for health documentation is a shared one - if an employee is in an enterprise with known health hazards then he/she has has the responsibility to follow the safety rules and to keep records of their own if they suspect that they have been unduly exposed. There are plenty of industries in the world where people have the potential for interacting with hazardous materials ranging from cleaning supplies to solvents to fertilizers to colorings for plastic products. Even office workers have been known to suffer ill health from sick buildings or fabric preservatives in improperly ventilated areas.I am not in denial, but I really do not sleep very well knowing that the world is rapidly depleting its millions of years worth of stored hydrocarbon resources and dumping the residual waste products into the atmosphere when there is an available, lower cost alternative that produces NO atmospheric waste products.Once again - I will agree with you that uranium mining would not currently be necessary if the developers of breeder and high conversion rate reactors had been allowed to continue their work in the 1970s-2000s. We would be well on our way to a closed fuel cycle with reuse of all of the material that is now considered to be "depleted uranium" or "spent nuclear fuel". However, that is not where we are at this point and uranium mining is still necessary and valuable. Since it is, I prefer for Americans be able to compete for the work and to obtain the revenue rather than automatically sending it somewhere else. That is true even though most uranium in the world market comes from such friendly countries as Canada and Australia. Though I live in Maryland, I work in Virginia and have some knowledge of the state's economy.I know there are plenty of people out of work who would certainly prefer a good stable employment opportunity to the alternative. I also know that there are a lot of people in areas not far from Coles Hill that gladly descend into underground mines every day to extract coal, despite the known dangers. I am not naive enough to believe that mining is without hazard, but that is true even if the mining is for sand and rock in a quarry. I would certainly be interested in how one can generate any energy at all without mining something like copper, gravel, iron, coal, uranium or thorium.Rod AdamsPublisher, Atomic InsightsHost and producer, The Atomic Show Podcast
  13. Linda Goin Posted 9:35 am
    21 Jun 2009

    Rod - thanks for that information on the African mine. I find it interesting that the company that owns 69% of the Rossing mining interest is a Canadian company, Rio Tinto Alcan (as Santoy also is a Candian company, as are many companies mining uranium in the U.S. - that's really keeping the money in the country, eh?). I also discovered the Rössing mine (and the associated uranium mill tailings pile) is the by far largest single uranium mining-related operation in the world. In my mind, it then becomes the single largest liability in the world as well (see more issues re: Rössing at http://www.wise-uranium.org/umoproe.html).  The cost to the individual taxpayer is something that is not disclosed fully . Taxpayers are paying for the cleanup on mines that date back to the mid-twentieth century in America. These reparations are interesting, Rod, as nothing can be built on former uranium mining and/or milling sites. In fact, the EPA and DOE are creating museums at Rocky Flats and Uravan so people in the future will not forget that uranium waste is stored underground. This makes those properties into perpetual radioactive parks - similar to what VUI has planned for their property once mining has been complete (according to Patrick Wales, the geologist for VUI). Sounds pretty, but you really don't want to camp there.All I have is history to go on, Rod, and in all the years of uranium mining, milling and enrichment, only one plant was ordered to clean up an active site (in April 2009 - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/04/22/state/n134606D87.DTL&type=politics). And, it wasn't until this past year when the EPA got serious with operating mines about cleaning up their water and only in one region (http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/6427a6b7538955c585257359003f0230/d72d23794801d6a1852574fd008186ea!OpenDocument). It wasn't until this past year that the EPA finally got around to thinking about cleaning up Navajo land, forty years after the last active mine (http://intercontinentalcry.org/us-moves-to-clean-up-uranium-on-navajo-land/). This is your tax dollars at work - cleaning up the past. And, it's not ancient history. These reparations are ongoing, perpetual history. (for those who are curious - type "epa uranium cleanup" in a search engine and grab a cup of coffee - this search can be a real learning experience).These costs must be added to the bottom line of what nuclear energy costs the consumer. Additionally, the medical costs may rise, as more effort is being made to track illnesses of workers after they leave uranium mining. For you to say that uranium miners in the past were negligent is brutal - they were told that uranium mining was safe - or, in the case of the Navajo - were told nothing at all. They had no clue that they needed to watch for cancers that might take five to ten years to become life-threatening. There were no regulations in place to limit the exposure time for miners as there is now. Whether those regulations are being followed is now up to the mining company AND the miner, who - hopefully - is aware of the possible results of being over-exposed to radon gases and uranium dust.Kids at Uravan were sliding down uranium tailings to the waste ponds
    fifty years ago - they had no clue that they were living with toxic
    materials. Years later, many of those residents have died, so they
    cannot bear witness to the toxicity of the chemicals they worked with.
    They have died from various cancers. But, many of them smoked
    cigarettes, so the government feels that they cannot tell if the Uravan
    residents died from toxic waste or from smoking (including those who
    received second-hand smoke vs. hands-on exposure to radioactive
    materials).The proposed miners from Pittsylvania County (which, by the way, will
    be totally inexperienced, IF they are hired), will not need to descend
    into a mine, fortunately, as you mention. This uranium mine is slated for open
    pit. While underground mines
    are more dangerous than open pit mines for miners (simply because of
    possible seismic action and enclosed spaces with radon and dust), open
    pit mines and their accompanying waste ponds endanger entire regions
    and their populations.On another topic - once again you are divorcing uranium mining from nuclear power when you state, "there is an available, lower cost alternative that produces NO atmospheric waste products." Uranium mining produces radon gases, the dust is known to cause cancer, and radiation is rampant on those abandoned mines that companies leave behind when the price of uranium slid downhill. And, as I stated, no one ever counts the cost of medical problems (the ones that RECA does acknowledge and pay for), the cost of operation of a mining and milling process, the cost of the loss of land for perpetuity and the cost of cleanup. It all adds up to become one of the most expensive forms of energy available - very close to coal, but it exceeds coal in that some of the true costs have been discounted do to lack of information. This is not a well documented industry."Once again - I will agree with you that uranium mining would not
    currently be necessary if the developers of breeder and high conversion
    rate reactors had been allowed to continue their work in the
    1970s-2000s. We would be well on our way to a closed fuel cycle with
    reuse of all of the material that is now considered to be "depleted
    uranium" or "spent nuclear fuel".I agree with you on that one, Rod - but it seems that the industry lacks altruistic adventurers or visionaries. Otherwise, we'd be there anyway if nuclear power truly was the panacea for all energy-related ills. Uranium is not the Greek goddess of healing (Panakeia); the Navajo have a name for it - Leetso - the "yellow monster," or the evil that prevents a successful life.
  14. Smidgen Posted 10:06 pm
    21 Jun 2009

    I'm not nearly as patient as Linda nor as savvy but I can tell when the argument is being deflected to keep it on one of the industry's play-book pages.  I don't have the time or the inclinaton to play those games.I do know that whatever uranium was mined in Florida was more or less by accident...that no one ever set out to mine tons of uranium as they have in the mid-western and western parts of the country or in Virginia.  Apparently the uranium captured in Florida was either so insignificant in amount or otherwise not attractive to the U industry that it gets virtually no mention in the mining literature online (per your own blogsite).Your continual attempts to turn the conversation to something other than its original topic is just another tactic used by those who must stick to the play book/rhetoric/spin or risk running smack-dab into their own consciences and seeing just how much of one's own wealth has been acquired at the serious expense of others, including their health and even their very lives.  Those who amass money and "toys" at the expense of others, including (and especially) our grandchildren and their progeny, are indeed among the most selfish on the planet.  Stay safe within your little village of card houses and sham friendships...the real horror of what your industry has perpetrated on others for eons to come would be devastating to deal with at this stage of your life, I'm sure.    Linda asked how you slept at night and I'd have to answer that you probably sleep better than she and I do...you are convinced that you owe nothing to anyone and that anything you've acquired has been because you played a better game than the guys that lost.  You maintain a world that reinforces that fantasy/fallacy.  I've always wondered at night if there was one more person I could have helped or if there was something else I could have done to bring some brief period of normalcy and basic human comfort to others...one more tidbit of education I could have shared that would have helped that person become self-suffieicnt and able to support him/herslef and perhaps a family one day.  We see the world, and our responsibilities to those who inhabit it, entirely differently and I know I could never embrace your world and its tactics.  But the day we're both planted, Mr. Adams, we will carry the same amount of money and "toys" with us to the great beyond...exactly none.
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    Atomicrod Posted 11:44 pm
    21 Jun 2009

    Smidgen - As I told Linda, I do not sleep well at night. That fact is pretty well documented on line - you can see for yourself the date and time when many of my posts on Atomic Insights have been published and if you are really interested you can do some searching for my comments in other forums dating back to USENET days with my (JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

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  16. Linda Goin Posted 12:57 am
    22 Jun 2009

    Rod, I really don't understand where you're coming from, seriously. I do appreciate your willingness to talk, as you have provided a format for me to give readers links and information about uranium mining. But, unless you come up with more outrageous statements, I feel the only reason I need to respond to you at this point is to set the record straight.I did not say that uranium mining was the cause of radon. Anyone who has researched uranium knows that traces of uranium are found everywhere, as it is part of the earth we inhabit. Exposure to radon is especially problematic for people who live in tightly-sealed homes with basements. Radon has been proven to cause lung cancer - it's unfortunate that many homes have been built over naturally-occuring uranium veins close to the earth's surface, as those homes are more exposed than others to radon gases.But, some people lived in homes that were built over AND with radioactive materials, such as the ones in Grand Junction, CO - http://www.junctiondailyblog.com/index.php?article=521 - this was a problem that could occur again. (Grand Junction is located north from some of the most historicallyactive U.S. uranium and vanadium mines in the Four Corners region).The problem with uranium mining and milling, Rod, is that it lifts that uranium out of the ground and exposes it to more people. Scientist Dr. Gordon Edwards wrote in a December 2007 that, "When radon gas is released from a uranium mine, it deposits solid
    radioactive fallout – including polonium-210 – on the ground for
    hundreds of miles downwind of the mine site." http://pacificfreepress.com/content/view/2064/81/Additionally, other contaminants are brought to the surface during the mining process and left in the waste ponds during the milling process. In the Uravan site, EPA - during the Superfund cleanup - discovered contaminants including radioactive products such
    as raffinates, raffinate crystals and mill tailings containing uranium and radium.
    Other chemicals in the tailings and ground water were heavy metals, such as
    lead, arsenic, cadmium and vanadium. http://www.epa.gov/Region8/superfund/co/uravan/Uravan is not an isolated incident, and as I mentioned before, cleanup on abandoned mine sites has - for all intents and purposes - just begun in many toxic areas. Uranium mining has left behind a legacy that is disgusting, deadly and irresponsible. And yet you propose doing more of the same on pristine land that need not be mined for any specific reason other than money.For those who are interested in more information on uranium mining and the constant degradation that uranium companies put residents through, please follow and read more at the links below. I hope you know that I am not an alarmist. In fact, I truly wish nuclear power could work, as it would create jobs. But, the risks are too high for this process to continue, and too damaging for future generations. While I've been called a NIMBY by some, I wouldn't wish uranium mining in anyone's back yard. U.S. Nuclear Accidents: http://www.lutins.org/nukes.htmlUranium mining and milling wastes - an introduction: http://www.wise-uranium.org/uwai.htmlCARD (Coloradans against Resource Destruction): http://www.nunnglow.com/uranium-mining/open-pit-mining.html (this link leads to information on open-pit mining. Check out the entire site - these folks have been on point constantly to keep the uranium mining company in their county on the straight and narrow - keeping track of uranium mining companies - and people like Rod - remains a full-time job for many volunteers).Finally, the Navajo. As with any profession that involves extraction, the poorer members of society often are enlisted with promises and lies to do the dirty work. The uranium miining that occured on the Navajo nation is a complete disgrace. You can learn more here: http://serc.carleton.edu/research_education/nativelands/navajo/
  17. Smidgen Posted 1:09 am
    22 Jun 2009

    My last name is Barnes.  Smidgen is the name I go by.  I'm retired on disability from community college teaching and counseling.  My income is Social Security and some small savings.  Why that matters, I don't know but there you go.Mining does not in any way diminish radon...it simply releases it so that it can blow far and wide with the gentlest breeze or with gale-force winds Southside Virginia frequently experiences.  The radon escapes from the open pit, from the tailings piles/ponds, the ore as it's transported...the only way to control most radon is leave it undisturbed in the ground.  Those unfortunate to live in an area with unnaturally high radon presence need to be aware of this and take precautions to have their homes tested and the radon abated if possible.  Perhaps you should read Gordon Edwards' explanation of radon...your understanding is a bit like the man who told a friend in VA that he was all for the mining because it would release raidation which would help cure cancers naturally...without all the medical expense.  Not quite...not quite.Virginia will not benefit from the mining of its uranium.  A beautiful state will be destroyed, north to south, along the entire uranium vein.  Pittsylvania Co. will only be the first area mined because Mr. Coles and his sister are aging and their children no longer wish to reside on the family estate.  Few, if any, persons in the area will benefit financially...the investors will walk away with fortunes...the rest of the area will fare no better than those towns devastated in the west and midwest.  Real estate values are already dropping, and not just because of the housing crisis...folks don't want to move to an area where they'll live in the shadow of a mine.  Businesses are also shying away...they don't want the pollution either.   Military installations in VA Beach are expressing concerns due to the threat of polluted drinking water sources.  There will not be hundreds of good paying jobs created...right now there are only around 300 U mining job in the entire US.  No one in Southside can climb down from their tractors and begin U mining.  Please dont delude yourself into believing that Southside will benefit from this...it will not.  Past is prologue...and history shows us that U miing, particularly open-pit mining, is devastating to wherever it's undertaken.This repartee has run its course.  Best of luck to you and your family.  We'll let those in Southside know that you're not afraid of living in the shadow of a mine or enjoying/drinking the water there.  Perhaps you can considering retiring to the area where you can see just how clean and economical U mining really is.  There should be lots of property available if this mine is approved.  If you don't mind cancer, you can probably get a lovely home for a small song. 
  18. DGM Posted 6:15 am
    22 Jun 2009

    Looks like Rod is holding his own on this one.  I just thought I'd drop a couple supporting words.  Why would anyone be afraid of a study?  If you think there are issues with mining then put requirements in place that they deal with the problems that they create.  They already have to put the land back essentially how they found it.  Preventing them completely from mining is a ridiculous point of view.  That's the same problem we have with foreign oil.  If we have it here we should produce it here to eliminate our dependence on foreign countries.
  19. CleanEnergyInsight Posted 9:45 am
    22 Jun 2009

    It seems that some people ask for more research and studies to be done, and when they are commissioned or end up coming to a conclusion that those people don't like, they want another study or say that one shouldn't be done at all.Linda and Sue, it seems that both of you are doing a lot of research on some of Rod's comments, which is great. Maybe, you can do some additional research on the economic health of this area in Virginia.As a quick aside, I didn't really understand how the opinions of legislators from Virginia Beach had any weight in the decision that was made since they don't live in this area.I and the Co-Editor of my blog are both personally from the Coles Hill area. I was born and raised in Ridgeway, VA. He is from Dry Fork. I have personally experienced having friends and family lose their jobs in the textile and furniture industries in this area. Henry and Pittsylvania counties have lost tens of thousands of jobs in the past 20 years. With the highest unemployment, drug, and crime rate (per capita) in the state, this area is in need of something. Danville has recently tried unsuccessfully to turn the city into a retail capital. They are in need of an opportunity to get people jobs. This is that opportunity.What good does it do to harbour such animosity towards progress and production in an area that is so thirsty for it?Mining this deposit will do wonders for the economy in this area. The facts and statistics speak for themselves when it comes to this mining opportunity.It is true that the mining technology has improved over time. What good are statistics from 50 years ago on mining practices in this debate? We have come a long way since then.Was it mature to question the personal integrity of Mr. Coles either? Do you personally know him? Did your "research" lead you to this conclusion?As someone from this area, who has actually lived there, and as someone who works in the nuclear industry and knows the science is proven and safe, I'd just like to tell you two to let science do its job. Hopefully, this deposit will lead to economic growth in an area that needs it so much. We'll see how the study goes.Until then...Carrington DillonClean Energy Insight Blog
  20. Linda Goin Posted 2:48 pm
    22 Jun 2009

    Mr. Dillon, if you want to put all your eggs in one basket, that's your issue. Frankly, I'd rather see some economic diversity for Southside. Uranium mining doesn't allow for that possibility. In fact, in most uranium mining areas, the towns and cities around uranium mining lose a great deal of potential value. Uranium mines turn real estate into slums. Let's talk Chatham turning into a ghost town like Uravan, or a water-issue town like Norwood. I've lived there, so I know from where I speak.As far as the folks in Richmond - they are concerned about their drinking water. As far as the folks in KY, they're concerned about taking your yellowcake across the mountains and into western KY for enrichment. Your project affects more people than you're willing to admit, which seems to point to some territorial issues and some pride in ownership. This is a statewide issue, not specific to Coles Hill.If you read my comments, you would know I'm not against the study. I, too, am a Southside Virginia native, but it turns my stomach to think of an open pit mine in southern Virginia. If I were a rich woman, I would introduce another industry to divert attention. Instead, I'll do what I can to find another economic solution other than uranium mining. How's that for a deal? Are you game to join in?
  21. Yellowcake Sucks! Posted 8:50 pm
    22 Jun 2009

    Hi AtomicRod (makes me think you can leap tall buildings in a single bound and glow in the dark, or something), I have been out to the Coles Hill estate.  Quite old, lovely, and in a bucolic setting.  Believe it or not, it was on tour during the Historic Garden Week in Virginia this past spring.  Funny thing was, there were no clothes in the closets at the manor.  I didn't look, but a very brave (okay, inquisitive) friend visited the home, too.  Seems no one really lives there.  Coles, the V, and his wife, Alice, live in the city of Danville--that'd be 30 miles away from the proposed mine site.  Uh, I mean sites.  They'll be two large mines at Coles Hill (and I mean large--as in the tailings piles, alone, will cover 55 city blocks!), the North and the South Mines.  Another interesting note: The heavy, heavy wrought iron fence sections that had been around the family's cemetery were stacked up against a tree.  Think they were moved there just to cut the grass and weedeat?  The word is, he, Coles, will move his relatives' remains elsewhere.  Wouldn't want the relatives to drop any lower than they already are, would we?  Do you really think, with 30 years of proposed blasting to excavate the uranium ore, the cemetery, much less the house, is going to withstand the constant vibration of mine activity and blasted flyrock?  Oh, the word is, the historic home will be dismantled and sold off.  Is this, in fact, true?  I don't know, but do you really believe Coles is going to live in a house that sits between the North and South Mines while daily blasting (to quote you: "quite careful in extracting") is ongoing at each?  For a period of 30 to 40 years?      
    Perhaps, you think Mr. Coles is a good steward of the land.  Forgive me, but it seems his and Virginia Uranium Inc.'s (VUI) exploratory drilling for uranium has already caused his neighbors problems with their well water.  For example, one neighbor who lives a couple of miles from Coles Hill had a pre-drill lead level of 2.0.  (Ideally, lead levels in drinking water should be 0.)  It's now up between 18.0-19.0, post-drilling.  (Forgive me, again, but I don't feel like looking up the lab value designation, but lead levels greater than 15.0 are "actionable.")  He and his wife, and many others of Coles' neighbors, are no longer drinking their well water--they have to drink store-bought water.  (BTW, I hear it's getting to be quite expensive, too.)  But, no, Coles and VUI are certain that the now-high lead levels in his neighbors' well water are not related to the exploratory drilling activity.  Seems Coles' unfortunate neighbors share the same problems with the folks at Goliad, Texas after exploratory drilling for uranium was done there.  They can't drink their water, either, for fear of getting sick.  Oh, and Coles' water is now high, so I hear, for lead, too.  But, he lives in Danville, remember?  No filling the pot with store-bought water to cook potatoes on the stove for him.Yes, I suppose we should build more nuclear power plants to solve this country's energy needs and to put that fancy yellowcake at Coles Hill to good use.  I understand 45 nuclear power plants would cost an estimated $810 billion dollars to build.  (Each costing somewhere between $12 to $18 billion.)  And if we started tomorrow, we could have nuke plants online in just 10 to 12 short years.  Really, no sweat, A-Rod, this country's only in the hole by $11 trillion dollars already.  What's $810 billion more? I won't go into the obvious, "what are you going to do with all the highly-radioactive spent fuel rod waste" question because the the nuke plants that are supposed to be able to burn this waste have historically had problems burning the stuff!  And, I hear the nuke plants in this country aren't already set up to do this.  They'd have to be majorly modified or built anew.  Is there any truth to this? And, of course, there's Yucca Mountain to hold all the waste.  All the knowing, lobbied politicians like to soothingly float that bit of information out there.  No matter that Nevadans are fighting it tooth and nail from ever opening or that the facility would quickly fill with the already-existing waste should it open tomorrow.  Oh, and I hear (within the last three weeks' worth of news) that Mr. Obama just might not use the facility after all.  We've only sunk $30 billion into the building of the facility already.  Oh, that's right, what another $30 billion, here or there, to add to the debt our children and their children will have to pay back?It doesn't seem to bother Walter Coles that his ancestors' homeplace, going back for generations, will become a Superfund site one day.  He's looking at a $10-billion-dollar ore deposit to make the destruction of his boyhood home a little easier to take.  Sadly, his neighbors, whose families have also lived around Coles Hill for generations, won't be so lucky.Well, enough.  I think my screen name says it all: Yellowcake Sucks!          
  22. Smidgen Posted 9:03 pm
    22 Jun 2009

    Rod's not holding his own...he's avoiding the issues as much as possible and reciting the industry mantras when he's not allowed to change the subject and avoid the issue.  You're doing the same thing by bringing in foreign oil.  But let's move on.You said this:  "...put requirements in place that they deal with the problems that they
    create.  They already have to put the land back essentially how they
    found it."  You need to research uranium mining just a bit more.  There is nowhere in the world where "they" have "put the land back essentially how they found it".  There are some places that, to the naked eye, appear to be somewhat rehabilitated but they're still radioactive...so much so, that any activity undertaken on them, if any at all is allowed, is inherently dangerous due to the amount of radiation.  There are "requirements" to be met at any mine site but not obeying them is followed by a fine that is like pocket change to the mining companies.  There's a requirement in this country to rehabiitate the site but thousands of U mine sites have instead been abandoned.  The companies simply restructure, declare bankruptcy and leave.  Billons of your tax dollars and mine are still being spent cleaning up after these companies.  If you live in VA, then you must know that the study is not going to be specific to the site in Pittsylvania Coumty, it's going to look at the entire state.  There's a huge vein of uranium that runs north/south through the central/east-central portion of the state.  Pittsylvania Co will only be the 1st mine...not the only mine.  The study is not going to say whether mining will be safe or not at any given location. There's no uranium shortage...there's no need to ruin the state of Virginia.  You need to do a little more research.        
  23. Smidgen Posted 10:30 pm
    22 Jun 2009

    Carrington...nice of you to chime in!  You should have mentioned that you and Rod are buds!  Nice of him to help you develop your blog and pro-nuclear ideas.I don't even know where to start with educating you on this issue.  Let's start with Virginia Beach and why the legislators there are interested in the Coles Hill mine.  It's because the city gets almost all of its drinking water from Kerr Lake which could easily be contaminated with radioativity and heavy metals from the mine.  This means that Va Beach would have virtually no drinking water.  Surely you're aware of not only the large population of Va Beach but also its large tourist industry.  And the number of military personnel stationed in the area.  Fort Story?  Little Creek Naval Amphibious Base?   Norfolk is right next door to Va Beach...even more military personnel and massive installations.  Oceana? Norfolk Naval Station?  Any of these ring a bell?  We could be looking at a huge threat to national security if these personnel and their families were forced to live without drinking water and had to relocate.  And the area would be looking at economic ruination.  Oh...and Walter Coles' sister lives in the Beach area.  His brother-in-law, after a long career in Richmond as a politician, is now a lobbyist for the mine.  Before you reply that he would never do anything to jeopardize his own family's drinking water, let me remind you that when you have a gazillion dollars, you can walk out of your devalued home and relocate to anywhere in the world.   You have said, "The facts and statistics speak for themselves when it comes to this mining opportunity."  Yes, Carrington, they do.  You should avail yourself of them while you're still young and able to get out of the nuclear industry cleanly.  The facts and statistics re: mining are hideous and deadly.  Do a little independent research.  You'll see.As long as you stay in the nuclear industry and drink the "clean and safe" Kool-Aid, you'll be living in a world of professional deceit.  The mining of uranium is not safe and is not clean.  Nowhere in the entire world is there a clean, safe mine...nowhere.  But your seniors in the field don't want you to think about that part...they don't want to think about it either.  Read about the abandoned mines...the contaminated water and land...the cancers...the deserted towns...the devastated economies.  If that's what you want for Southside, then you're on the right track.And, while we're at it, let's briefly discuss this study.  If I were sure this study were going to address pertinent questions, give definitive answers and be unbiased and in-depth, I'd be all for it.  So far, no one knows who's even going to pay for it.  VUI has offered...that certainly doesn't really present the picture of neutrality, does it?  Have you looked at the study questions that were accepted by the Commission?  Have you seen the caveats that the study will address nothing specific to Coles Hill?  That it will will be broad and vague and address mining all along the huge vein of U that runs almost the full length of VA?  That it will not be specific to any particular site/town/locality?   That it will not in any way address the economics as they pertain to PittCo or Danville or Southside?  Will not recommend any particular mining strategy?  Won't address tailings or water pollution?  What's it going to study?  The potential amount of state tax dollars?  You will not see any specific answers to any questions regarding Southside...that's been publicized for months.  It amazes me that with all the facts about uranium mining on the web, we're still spending time answering questions like these.  Don't research the nuclear industry, research uranium mining.  Otherwise, you'll get nothing but the industry line...the industry play-book...and the eventual devastation of the area you say you call home. 
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    Atomicrod Posted 1:05 am
    23 Jun 2009

    Smigen - The materials left over from uranium mining are never more radioactive than the original rocks and sand from which they came. Nothing in the process adds radioactive materials, in fact, the opposite is true since the goal of mining uranium is to extract the useful radioactive material, concentrate it and ship it out for further processing.Based on current market prices, the uranium under a single family owned estate in a large state that already encloses 147 active coal mines is worth close to $60,000,000,000. Certainly the owners of that estate will receive a fair portion of that if mining is allowed to proceed, but extracting the material safely and within current regulations will also require the input of both manual and creative labor from many people.There will certainly be local effects - but that would also be true if Cole's Hill was simply rock or sand that is useful for road construction or concrete manufacture. I have no idea how many quarries or sand pits the state of Virginia encloses, but since I work in a high rise in Northern VA near National Airport, I can tell you that there is a whole lot of material in use above ground that used to be underground. The roads, bridges, high rises, and all of the other accoutrements of modern living have a large component that comes from open pit mining operations of one form or another.It is certainly your privilege to fight to preserve pristine land, even if it does not belong to you. It is your privilege to determine that you would prefer to live in a more primitive, back to nature style similar to the way people lived in the 19th century before there was widespread electricity, running water, interstate highways, or even many railroads. I have spend many joyous hours sampling that way of life, some of them in your home state as I hiked along various sections of the AT. However, I would not choose to live that way all of the time and neither would most of the 300 million people living in the US today. If we did, about 80% of us would be hungry, thirsty, and either sweating buckets or shivering.My family was not lucky enough to be in the 20% of a much smaller population who lived comfortably in the 18th century. I freely admit it - I like living now and having access to the comforts brought by the efforts of many hard working miners, plumbers, machinists, electricians, construction workers, truckers, and engineers. Finally - I ask both you and Linda to quit the personal attacks that question my motives. I have told you at least once, but I will say it again - I am a professional naval officer and have never worked for the nuclear industry. I publish information sources on the web using my free time, freely available software like Blogger, and tools that I own for personal use anyway. I do this because I have been given the privilege of learning through excellent teachers paid by taxpayers and through the experience of serving my country in a specialized field where I have seen for my own eyes how a mass of material that could fit under my office desk supplied all of the energy needed to drive a 9,000 ton submarine around the ocean for 14 years without refueling or emitting anything to the environment that was not already there. (We warmed a tiny bit of the ocean temporarily as we passed through.)NO ONE can pay me to say something that I do not believe. NO ONE gives me a list of talking points. NO ONE provides me with a playbook. In fact, many people in the utility industry find me rather irritating when I ask them why they continue to consume a billion tons of coal per year, accept the myth that natural gas extracted by "fracking" deep underground seams is clean, or scar beautiful mountain ridges to put up massive, 40 story tall wind turbines that are merely a sop to people who dream that the wind and sun - which have ALWAYS been around - are going to somehow produce more than about 2-3% of the power that we need to run the country we have today. Rod Adams
    Publisher, Atomic Insights
    Host and producer, The Atomic Show Podcast
  25. DGM Posted 4:55 am
    23 Jun 2009

    Economic diversity?  Are you actually planning on going to this area of Virginia and starting a business?And as far as turning your stomach.  I hope you have a strong one, because there are lots of open pit mines in all of Virginia.  They just mine things other than uranium.  It sounds like you dislike uranium more than other materials, otherwise you would be out protesting every mine in the state.
  26. SouthsideMiner Posted 6:44 am
    24 Jun 2009

    I've made a decent effort to read all the discussion prior to deciding to make a comment. While making a swift scan over the majority of the comments, there are a few things I find worth mentioning:Firstly, the mentions of how things can become "easily" contaminated are somewhat disturbing. The usage of that rhetoric makes those posts look very shabby, as there is no scientific yard stick on may utilize to measure the "ease" of environmental complications.Second: As for the Virginia Beach legislators, you are referring to the same
    region that shot down plans to build a massive wind energy plant in the
    Chesapeake for fear that the turbines would kill too many birds.Thirdly, Linda, if you are opposed to uranium mining, but you also said you're not supporting coal mining, what methods do you support? I assume things like solar and wind, but considering that they, combined, only sum to around 0.1% of the energy produced in the US, they're clearly not the solution. Therefore, it appears to me that you are either against mining of anything altogether, or you're against being near a mine. In either case, I'll point out the importance of each. Everything you used to type your comments was mined. Moreso, every aspect of your life, your household appliances, your cell phone that does everything but make waffles, your furniture, your windows, all of it was mined in some fashion. If you're just against being near a mine, that's not really much of an argument, at all.As for your recommendation of in-situ mining, I am somewhat baffled as to why you would recommend it. First off, you are talking about in-situ leaching, which is the process of dissolving ore and pumping it out of the ground. You already talked about the effects on the water supply, so, why didn't you mention it when professing this great idea? In-situ leaching has been well-known to acidify groundwater, and in the event of a system failure, instead of having a solid material being moved, you have a liquid, radioactive slurry contaminating streams/lakes/etc. Additionally, there is a risk of subsidence when the ore is dissolved, as well as bacterial contamination of groundwater. It seems to me that you heard, "No pit," and thought, "Gee! What a great idea," when in actuality, there are still some concerns worth addressing.
  27. Linda Goin Posted 7:18 am
    24 Jun 2009

    I am FOR conserving energy. This is the only energy method that can be used without impact on future generations. Mining more uranium is not conservation. Additionally, if I could be proud of what mining companies and nuclear energy advocates have done and said in the past, I may even be on the fence. But, when I read the comments that you all have written, you come up with the same, generic arguments from the 1950s and 1960s. It's nothing new, nothing that would convince me that uranium mining and nuclear power is any safer or better than it is, even as it is being conducted today. Finally, I know how irresponsible mining companies can be - all mining companies. I, at least, have history on my side as well as experience living near uranium mining. That history, and the impact of that history in my life, has created my cynicism and my activism against uranium mining AND milling.Southsideminer - you did not take your time with my comments. I never said I was an advocate for in situ mining. Read again. I'm glad to hear that you have your doubts about this type of mining.Thanks to all of you for your insights. I am grateful for that. 
  28. SouthsideMiner Posted 8:24 am
    24 Jun 2009

    I don't know if you just didn't want to answer my question or not, but I will paraphrase it. If you are against mining, what suggestions do you offer? Or am I wrong, are you just against uranium mining and no other form? You can't just eliminate uranium and call your argument complete. You have to replace nuclear energy with something else, something practical. I'm not against in-situ mining, either. My statement was intended to point out that all the complications you listed are potential complications, not constant ones. I have confidence that open pit and in-situ can be equally successful when they are properly implemented.And, realistically, no, you don't have history on your side. If you can cite the historical event that leads to the rational deduction that all mining companies are irresponsible, I'll drop out from Virginia Tech. That comment was just plain bogus. I am sorry that your personal history has caused you to dislike the industry so much, but the industry is elemental to the progression of new energy. Keep in mind that advocacy has shown that it quite rarely goes hand-in-hand with science and/or logic.
    Also, if you don't mind, what remarks did others make that came from the 60's? 
  29. NAYGN Keith Posted 3:41 pm
    29 Jun 2009

    There is some very valuable history provided in the discussion above. I don't think any of the posters here will disagree that some horrible atrocities have resulted from irresponsible uranium mining. Do not let those great sacrifices be for naught. Every civilization experiences industrial growing pains. These are especially rampant with lack of regulation or lack of enforcement. China is experiencing many of the environment problems that the US experienced in our own industrial revolution. History shows us that uranium mining is no different. Thank you for all the history provided in the previous posts.

    I am going to do my best to keep economics, power production, and politics out of this post. My goal is to simply state the facts about the regulations currently in place on uranium mining operations in the US. I have not seen any information provided about this topic by any other posters, and I feel that it is pertinent and necessary to this discussion.

    Below is a great background to the topic:
    http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/fact-sheets/mill-tailings.html

    In addition to State, Federal, and EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) standards for permitting, the NRC (Nuclear Regulatory Agency) has additional laws that apply to uranium mining. The additional laws can be found below:
    http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-collections/cfr/part040/part040-appa.html

    These laws are the result of the Uranium Mill Tailings Radiation Control Act (UMTRCA) which was enacted by Congress in 1978. This act is broken into two titles:

    Title I: Reclamation Work at Inactive Tailings Sites‘Two sites in North Dakota were withdrawn and tailings from some sites were combined, resulting in 19 tailings disposal sites.'

    ‘By August 1999, 17 more sites were completed and brought under the general NRC license, including sites at Ambrosia Lake, New Mexico; Burrell, Pennsylvania; Canonsburg, Pennsylvania; Durango, Colorado; Falls City, Texas; Green River, Utah; Gunnison, Colorado; Lakeview, Oregon; Lowman, Idaho; Maybell, Colorado; Mexican Hat, Utah; Naturita, Colorado; Rifle, Colorado; Salt Lake City, Utah; Shiprock, New Mexico; Slick Rock, Colorado; and Tuba City, Arizona. The only remaining sites are those at Grand Junction, Colorado and Moab, Utah.'

    ‘DOE initiated the groundwater cleanup phase of the UMTRA Project in 1991. It has completed all of the 20 scheduled baseline risk assessments for the groundwater cleanup phase and has transmitted them to concerned parties. Two sites did not have groundwater contamination. DOE has developed Groundwater Compliance Action Plans for demonstrating groundwater compliance at 13 sites and submitted them to the NRC for concurrence. DOE has demonstrated groundwater cleanup compliance at eight of those sites.'
    Title II: Licensed Uranium Recovery Facilities and Mill Tailings Sites‘Of 16 uranium recovery facilities currently licensed by the NRC under its regulations (10 CFR Part 40), there are 12 conventional uranium mills and four in situ leach (ISL) facilities. There is also one former conversion facility under reclamation for 11e(2) byproduct material. Two of the conventional mill site licenses have been terminated and the reclaimed tailings areas transferred to DOE for long-term care under the general license provisions of 10 CFR 40.28.'

    ‘No NRC-licensed conventional uranium mills are operating. One mill is in stand-by status and will likely resume commercial operation in the future. The remaining conventional uranium mill sites have completed, or are completing, reclamation activities to provide long-term stabilization and closure of the tailings impoundments and the sites. Two of the four ISL facilities are presently operating, one is on stand-by status, and one will likely resume operations in the future. The NRC inspects these sites at semiannual to three-year intervals depending on the operational (or stand-by) and reclamation status.'
    These quotations from the NRC site describe in detail the activities nationally for ALL uranium mining operations. These results show tremendous effort and progress with this issue. The number of sites that are now clean and under continual monitoring is staggering.

    Below is a chronology of accidents resulting from uranium tailing pond failures. Please notice that there were many in the US prior to 1980 and zero after these laws were enacted. Also keep in mind that tailing pond failure, while a large one, is only one dimension of environmental impact that results from uranium mining. This site was provided by Linda Goin.
    http://www.wise-uranium.org/mdafu.html

    The law also covers requirements for capping, ground water monitoring, and rainfall runoff standards. Again, these requirements must be addressed before a company receives its permit from the NRC to build and operate. This involves a detailed review by the NRC of every aspect of the mines design and construction. Review and monitoring persists not only through the design stages, but through operation and decommission. Any new mine in Virginia is most certainly accountable to these standards.

    Also find the EPA's soil cleanup standards here. These laws caveat cleanup of the conditions 10 CFR Part 40 is meant to prevent:
    http://www.epa.gov/superfund/health/conmedia/soil/pdfs/ssg_appd-e.pdf

    I hope these sources provide some clear information about the laws that apply to new uranium mines. I hope it also provides a current status of the mines in the country. Linda, Rod, Smidgen, Carrington, and other posters: I encourage you to keep this conversation factual and positive. After reading all of your posts, I believe that we all want the best for the environment and general public as a whole. The sacrifices made by the individuals adversely affected by uranium mining can only be justified by responsible prevention and advocacy. Please let me know if the information I have presented is incorrect or if you have any questions.Regards,
    Keith Hernandez
    NAYGN Member 

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