RNC: Palin bullish on energy
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GreyFlcn Posted 3:45 pm
03 Sep 2008
Like Dick Cheney scary.
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Whiskerfish Posted 6:50 pm
03 Sep 2008
Nevermind the 'bridge to nowhere' that Palin supposedly canned, what about the REAL road to the bridge that she hasn't?
What sort of idiot stops a bridge -- but carries on pouring millions into building an ecologically-destructive road to that bridge?
That has NO POSSIBLE FUNCTION unless the bridge is built?
Reprise:
As we speak, they're trashing a swathe of nature on Gravina Island (the island opposite the town of Ketchikan) to build massive roads to 'link up to the bridge'. Gravina currently has a population in the low hundreds, who commute by boat to Ketchikan.
Ketchikan relies on unspoilt natural scenery for its tourist industry. In other words, the State of Alaska is using Federal tax dollars to inflict damage on Ketchikan's economy. (Tourism is is the town's largest industry.)
Which contractor's pocket is being lined for building useless, environmentally-damaging infrastructure? Why is the NYT not digging into this? Where are the TV ads with sweeping aerial shots of this road? Crap -- I flew over the area a couple months ago -- the evidence of lunacy is in palin sight!
If this is effective governance, Mrs Palin, then I'll be a money-grubbing civil engineering firm in your State anyday!
Whiskerfish (back in Africa from Alaska)
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caniscandida Posted 6:53 pm
03 Sep 2008
Quite the contrary, he is a grave danger.
God knows why Sarah Palin thinks bringing "small-town values" to DC would improve anything, when small towns in the US can be about as vile, stifling and murderous as any society known to mankind. And the Republicans' constant refusal to acknowledge any virtue in the US's big cities -- which is where it's at, basically -- is creepy.
Sarah Palin should be forced to watch "The Handmaid's Tale."
By the same token, Barack Obama and other Democrats have not said nearly enough about urban issues.
It should be recognized that our cities are not to be dismissed as problematic sinks. Our cities are the glorious pillars of our republic and our civilization.
And inasmuch as that republic and that civilization are pretty crappy, our hope for reform and improvement also comes from within those very cities -- NOT from Wassilla, Alaska, Mein Gott!
Chickens deserve our true friendship! So do fish! So do other sentient beings! Let us learn to be kind.
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Green Granny Posted 7:35 pm
03 Sep 2008
"We must be the change we wish to see in the world." -- Mahatma Ghandi
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caniscandida Posted 8:20 pm
03 Sep 2008
That so many Americans should apparently be willing to listen to Sarah Palin's environmental nonsense is both embarrassing and frightening.
Whiskerfish,
please tell me one thing about Africa and/or African wildlife, of grave environmental importance, that I can pass on to my honorary godson, who knows a great deal about African animals, and was recently in South Africa and Botswana, and earlier in Kenya and Tanzania.
He is a great kid. And he loves all the animals. So please tell me something, something hopeful.
Chickens deserve our true friendship! So do fish! So do other sentient beings! Let us learn to be kind.
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Pangolin Posted 9:09 pm
03 Sep 2008
We have no idea what to do when our money won't buy what we require anymore. We wave the paper but the paper is worthless. Actual mental effort is required and those left who know how are isolated and ostracized.
All the kings horses and all the kings men won't help us unless we can see the reality of our environmental damage. Palin, and the GOP, deny that reality with their last breath.
Put the Carbon Back
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vakibs Posted 9:28 pm
03 Sep 2008
Alaska can do nothing for the next 5 years. With the best hopes, it can produce 80 million barrels of gasolene per year after 5 years. This will not solve even 1/20th of the US energy woes.
What is "being bullish on energy" mean ? I would rather use the term "piggish on energy" to highlight the stupidity of these arguments.
And for the rest of crowd singing "drill drill drill" .. more like "sheepish" ?
The whole of her speech is filled up with Orwellian weird stuff such as "left is right", "war is peace", "slavery is freedom" and "change is McCain".
It is time the Republicans got spanked well in the media for all the outright lies they sprout.
pangolin, greenmom, caniscandida
You can fool a few people for always. You can fool everyone for some time. But you cannot fool everyone for always. Americans will see through the Republican lies this time.
Let's think in terms of eco-dollars.
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gmobus Posted 12:36 am
04 Sep 2008
Remember how enthusiastic all republicans were back in 1999 about that guy? Look how that turned out for them (and us). Remarkably most of those same republicans who voted (twice) for Bush and now want to distance themselves from him don't even recognize the irony of this situation with Palin (actually with McCain too).
How many of them even consider reflecting on their decisions in 1999 and the 2004 election? How many of them think it would be appropriate to apologize for what their party has done to this country by their poor choices? Watching the convention you would think that nothing bad has happened and it's go go go with McCain/Palin.
But to be fair, what have the democrats done to correct the situation. Sure they took over the Congress (barely) but what since then? The democratic contender is, in my opinion, a better candidate for president. But only just barely.
The next four years should tell the story. I conjecture that neither party is able to come to grips with the big issues, energy, markets, CO2 emissions, population, and general growth-think, etc. What happens in the next four years will either prove me wrong (my hope) or show us what to expect until we figure out that politics as usual is killing us.
George
George Mobus,
Associate Professor, Institute of Technology,
University of Washington Tacoma,
and Professional Student for Life
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Kissybee Posted 1:06 am
04 Sep 2008
I'm canadian, and when George W. was elected the first time I was baffled. The second time I was furious (but praising the wise forefathers who made the two-term limit rule).
Now that there's a chance for something different, the fact that there are so many people who haven't learned their lesson; who actually cheer for this woman; who don't look far enough outside their borders to realize that their country has become an international laughing-stock thanks to republican bigotry and fascism, is utterly terrifying.
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Bob Wallace Posted 1:08 am
04 Sep 2008
(Look at the people who sat in the audience if you want to get an indication. Sort of like a last effort in a loosing war. Barricades maned by the elderly and children.)
At this point it might be a lot more efficient to direct our energy toward educating the "other 70%" of Americans.
People need to understand that there just is not enough oil under American soil to bail us out. And that oil will get nothing but more and more expensive as world demand increases and the 'cheap to pump' wells dry up.
People need to understand that we can build a non-fossil fuel economy largely within American boarders, thus decreasing our shipments of American money overseas and creating many thousands of new American jobs. Jobs that can't be exported.
We need lots more innovation to produce even better solutions than we have right now.
Those of us who can't innovate can educate. We need to do more to make Americans wiser.
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randino Posted 1:17 am
04 Sep 2008
The right and the GOP are like Jason in the Halloween series. You think they are dead and before you know it, you are once again being chased around the house by the miraculously ressurected maniac.
The wages of complacency are bitter. Beware!
Randy Cunningham
Cleveland, OH
Randy Cunningham
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amazingdrx Posted 1:22 am
04 Sep 2008
You are from a hockey loving nation, so maybe you can answet this. Relating to Brstol's joyous condition: Do you call the fathers "baby daddies" or "baby hockey daddies"?
There maybe many more of us joining you in Canada if this election turns out to be 4 more years of invasion and gas guzzling.
http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin
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amazingdrx Posted 1:29 am
04 Sep 2008
Well maybe so, but it was also the chant at the convention.
It is obvious that these good folk are extremely happy that they can get us angry with chants like this. I suggest we instead make fun of them.
http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin
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archigeek Posted 1:51 am
04 Sep 2008
The mellotron is your friend.
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PolluteLessDotCom Posted 1:58 am
04 Sep 2008
I would like to have a few links to much-read, conservative blogs listed here where I can add my comments. Anyone got some?
Karsten
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amazingdrx Posted 2:32 am
04 Sep 2008
...As the founder of the Alaska Independence Party said.
http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2008/9/1/3 ...
But Sarah is not a member. Go through the shredded and burned party records and prove she is? Too late now.
They have one of their own a McBush heatbeat away from independence, by presedential decree. Or just maybe the VP is powerful enough to grant Alaska indepencence? After Cheney, unilaterally declaring war based on lies, who would be surprised?
http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin
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Tahoe blue Posted 3:42 am
04 Sep 2008
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trock Posted 4:00 am
04 Sep 2008
McCain tonight will be giving a speech in which I predict he will come our for drilling in ANWR because Palin told him it is a good thing and the people of Alaska want it.
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trock Posted 4:00 am
04 Sep 2008
McCain tonight will be giving a speech in which I predict he will come our for drilling in ANWR because Palin told him it is a good thing and the people of Alaska want it.
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vlekstrand Posted 4:05 am
04 Sep 2008
Also no one has yet quoted her high school nickname correctly. She was Saracuda. No high school teenager feels it necessary to spell out the conjunction.
Also there is a book "Sarah: How a Hockey Mom Turned Alaska's Political Establishment on Its Ear," by Kaylene Johnson -- is at No. 12 in all of books on Amazon." if you wish to know more about her.
From the environmental standpoint, she is no friend.
Virginia L. Ekstrand
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GonzoDon Posted 4:33 am
04 Sep 2008
Apparently that is what passes for an "energy policy" among the fundamentalist Christian Republican Party these days. Which makes one wonder in what possible, meaningful sense can this party be considered any different from the party that gave us Bush/Cheney in 2000, and again in 2004?
When Palin suggests she wants to go and "shake up" Washington, what does she have in mind? Somehow I don't sense that the oil & gas lobbyists who already run that town are quaking in their boots at the prospect.
Mavericks my ass. Looks like 4 more years of the same Bush/Cheney crap to me, even if they bend over backward to avoid mentioning Bush & Cheney's names out loud.
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Pangolin Posted 5:00 am
04 Sep 2008
The bridge to nowhere was a giant pork project that will always be to nowhere because there is nothing on that island but rain, trees, rain, muskeg and rain. Muskeg is a kind of cold-water blueberry bog that can suck you down like something out of a nightmare. Worthless unless you are a moose or a bear.
The Gravina Island bridge was proposed as a $398 million project for an island with 8,000 people on it for a per-capita subsidy of $49,750.
Alaska is a giant, money-sucking, welfare state. The fact that the MSM doesn't mention that fact tells you where the bias is in this election. Oh, the state got the money anyway for what it's worth.
Put the Carbon Back
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mtvyfan Posted 5:20 am
04 Sep 2008
You will be delighted to hear Rep. Michelle Bachman lay out why she is qualified to run, like she sold the former Gov. of Alaska's plane on ebay....yep you heard it that was the only thing that Bachman could come up with for Palin's qualification. Then you will LOVE James Carville just rip Bachman apart on her stupid comments while she sits there with this big Botox barbie doll grin on her face. I laughed my ass off. Go, Carville, go.
"For as long as space endures, and for as long as living beings remain, until then may I too abide, to dispel the misery of the world." - Shantideva
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mreinbold Posted 5:41 am
04 Sep 2008
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caniscandida Posted 6:40 am
04 Sep 2008
Being a big fan of both Pangolin and GreenMom, I am tickled pink that that other excellent contributor Vakibs should have thrown us together in the same basket.
Love also to Amazing, as always, and George Mobus, and Randino, and GonzoDon, and MTVyfan. New-comer Virginia Ekstrand, who may or may not choose to be our Seven-of-Nine, is most certainly welcome.
By coincidence, we watched the double episode of "Star Trek: Voyager," "Scorpion," in which Seven-of-Nine, aka wife of an Illinois politician with kinky tastes, was introduced: arguably the beginning of Barack Obama's national career.
Chickens deserve our true friendship! So do fish! So do other sentient beings! Let us learn to be kind.
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caniscandida Posted 7:04 am
04 Sep 2008
Definitely a bon mot worth treasuring.
Chickens deserve our true friendship! So do fish! So do other sentient beings! Let us learn to be kind.
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mreinbold Posted 7:13 am
04 Sep 2008
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caniscandida Posted 7:14 am
04 Sep 2008
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The news this week is the Republican Convention, and the animal news is the choice of Sarah Palin as McCain's running mate. Before I write any further on that issue, I need to stress that DawnWatch is entirely non partisan. If you've read Thanking the Monkey you know of my commitment to non partisan animal activism. It would be unfair to the animals for their advocates to alienate half of the human population. And in Thanking the Monkey, I explain that the somewhat common assumption that animal advocacy is a left wing issue is false. Democrat voting records are better on animal issues overall, but the exceptions are shining. Republicans John Ensign of Nevada, and Christopher Shays of Connecticut are just two of those current outstanding exceptions. And former Senator Robert Smith of New Hampshire, an ultra right wing conservative, is the only person to date to speak passionately against vivisection on the Senate Floor.
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wicked." (p9).
In an extraordinary twist of fate, Scully was selected to write Sarah Palin's speech, which aired last night. Let us hope that in the time Scully and Palin spent together working on the speech, he began to influence her thinking. I hope every Republican on this list will urge her to read his book!
I write that because unfortunately Palin's history on animal issues is disturbing. Bad animal stances are hardly a Republican monopoly. I think most of us remember watching John Kerry walk out of the woods swinging dead ducks as he attempted to woo the NRA. And many of us were disturbed to hear Hillary Clinton speak glowingly of her childhood duck hunting days. Obama also supports the rights of hunters, though thankfully he has said outright that he does not hunt so we need not fear similar spectacles from him.
Indeed, Obama's record on animal issues is better than most. I have spoken to him personally and found a keen awareness of and interest in the connection between the livestock industry and global warming. And as a senator, long before he was in the presidential race, he posed for photos for an anti puppy mill book. Yet animal issues are hardly at the forefront of Obama's campaign -- he is no vegan Kucinich.
While McCain has some environmental policies that would kill billions of animals living in the wild, his history of leadership in the discussion of campaign finance reform is pertinent. In Thanking the Monkey I argue that campaign finance reform could be the number one animal rights issue -- that's because of the democracy-decimating strength of the farm and biomedical lobbies.
I also discuss single issue voting. That's how the National Rifle Association keeps its power. Candidates know that a percentage of folks large enough to swing an election will vote entirely based on a candidate's gun position. The animals will be better off when our movement has that power. Yet, I also argue that a compassionate world view is not species specific, and cannot leave out humans. So I acknowledge the strong case for taking all of a candidate's stances into account when casting a vote.
Those are the reasons why DawnWatch will never take a Republican or Democratic stance, and will never tell you for whom you should vote.
But in the current election we have an unusual media opportunity to make the animals' voices heard. While most of the population are not vegetarian and may not rate animal issues at the top of their agenda, numerous polls have shown that the vast majority of Americans do care about kindness to animals. They back animal welfare and environmental protection laws and are against egregious cruelty. Sarah Palin has so far shown a level of hostility to animal interests that is well outside the norm. Her presence on the ticket therefore gives us the chance to let it be known that such a stance matters, and that to most people, both Democrat and Republican, it is a negative.
You can learn the details of her stances on various websites. The Defenders of Wildlife site may be the most comprehensive. It tells us, "As Governor, Sarah Palin has championed aerial hunting of wolves and bears" and it includes distressing video of aerial wolf shootings. About whales it tells us, "Governor Palin opposes the listing of the Cook Inlet beluga whales, citing the listing as a threat to oil and gas development, despite their genetic uniqueness and the fact that their numbers have decreased from 1,300 in the 1980s to about 350 today. And it reminds us that Palin opposes listing the Polar Bear as endangered:
"Governor Palin has actively opposed the listing of the polar bear despite the fact that Alaska's top marine mammal biologists agreed with the federal scientists who believed the bear should be listed." (You can read her own words about that in a New York Times op-ed she wrote, published January 5, 2008 -- http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/05/opinion/05palin.html Thanks to Michael Oswald for that link.) The Defenders of Wildlife information and video is on line at http://tinyurl.com/6objq8
Her animal unfriendly policies are unfortunately not that unusual amongst candidates. What is unusual is the strong tone of antipathy towards animal protection. Sarah Palin's parents are reported to have a bumper sticker that reads, "Vegetarian: Old Indian word for bad hunter." That's the kind of joke many of us would find funny, if it weren't coming from folks whose living room is strung and hung with heads and carcasses. The Palin pictures say as much as her policies. You'll find some on the web page version of this alert at http://www.DawnWatch.com/Palin.htm. They include photos of Palin's parents watching television in a living room decorated like a child's worst nightmare, one of Sarah Palin on her office couch with a dead grizzly skin and head draped next to her, one of her speaking at a podium while decked out in fur, and a shocking photo of her and a very young girl (her daughter?) with a bloodied caribou they have just shot.
Again, DawnWatch will never tell you how to vote in this, or any, election. There are great arguments for single issue voting on behalf of the animals, but my greatest hope is that the rights of animals become an issue of significant public importance, and therefore part of public policy as such -- not that they trump all other issues.
We therefore must not waste this extraordinary opportunity to bring the animals into the public conversation. Every single newspaper across the US now has news of Sarah Palin, so now is the time for every newspaper to include letters to the editor letting it be known that to compassionate Republicans and Democrats alike, a cavalier attitude towards the slaughter of animals and the decimation of species is unacceptable. We owe it to the animals to push animal protection onto the platforms of both political parties and to make it clear to candidates on both sides that their stance on animal issues is part of what shows us their moral standing. Regardless of her party, Palin's wardrobe, decor, and policies give us the perfect opportunity. Letters from Republicans will pack the most punch.
Your letters are the most likely to be published in your local paper. Some small papers publish close to 100 percent of the letters they receive. So please, take a moment to speak up for the animals. It is time they got a voice during the election media frenzy.
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Chickens deserve our true friendship! So do fish! So do other sentient beings! Let us learn to be kind.
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mckittre Posted 7:42 am
04 Sep 2008
In the case of Ketchikan - logging on Gravina Island. In the case of Knik Arm, allowing Anchorage (already a very sprawl-like city), to sprawl over into the Susitna river flats.
Something not to be forgotten when we think about Palin's environmental record.
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Green Granny Posted 8:31 am
04 Sep 2008
A pro-Hillary colleague of mine said today that she'd never in her life voted for a Republican, but maybe this time she would because of Ms. Palin. I asked her what she knew of Palin. She knew nothing other that last night's speech. So I told her. . .
How many others are similarly swayed by empty rhetoric, gender, and beauty? Probably a large proportion of the American electorate.
There is so-o-o much at stake here. We cannot afford a McCain victory.
"We must be the change we wish to see in the world." -- Mahatma Ghandi
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Green Granny Posted 8:36 am
04 Sep 2008
Most people, it seems, don't understand this. We need to support and encourage and push for more public education on this.
"We must be the change we wish to see in the world." -- Mahatma Ghandi
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Whiskerfish Posted 8:43 am
04 Sep 2008
there is a ferry - I've been on it a fair number of times. But it sometimes stops when the weather is really, really bad. That's not such a problem because the only reason 99% of folks take the ferry from Ketchikan to Gravina is to get to the airport -- which is usually closed when the weather is really, really bad.
A bridge would make 'development' of Gravina more possible, and roads make logging a little easier. I don't think the lack of this bridge approach road would have stopped the logging already underway, but it's clearly subsidised it a bit.
You can see a map of the proposed bridge at
http://www.supportourbridge.com/
The road that's already being built is south of the runway on Gravina (the left-hand island on the map). You can safely ignore the crap about needing the land to grow Ketchikan as there's currently no huge demand for housing land on Revilla (and, hint hint, any journo wanting to find this out can go to the Ketchikan Remax office and ask them how house prices have been doing lately, as I did).
You can learn more about the destruction of Gravina at
http://www.tongassconservation.org/gravina.html
Cheers
Whiskerfish
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Whiskerfish Posted 9:04 am
04 Sep 2008
Not a single big paper seems to have actually SENT A REPORTER TO KETCHIKAN. Fer crying in a bucket - there are TWO or more flights a day from Seattle!
So we're stuck with a bunch of maybe she did, maybe she didn't bs in the papers. Even the Huffington Post misses the boat...
The arrogance to think that you can report remotely on this stuff is embarassing. There's this uppity 'WTF, it's only Alaska' attitude from the media that plays perfectly into Palin's framing game. They write in an careless way, don't know the territory and can't see the obvious lies -- because they're not on the ground, seeing the obvious road.
Isn't it scary that someone sitting in Cape Town, South Africa, has a better idea of Ketchikan than the New York Times does?
Whiskerfish
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amazingdrx Posted 9:26 am
04 Sep 2008
That speech writer is funny eyyh? I wonder if he has some comedy lines in store for Mcbush tonight?
Obama and Biden don't need speech writers. No speech writers can help in meetings with foreign leaders.
At 3 am? No speech writers around to help you answer the call from the pentagon Sarah. Hehey.
http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin
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hapa Posted 11:59 am
04 Sep 2008
would we be talking about the same NYT that ran war propaganda in 2002-3? the one that consistently runs foreign affairs articles with no named sources and none outside the government? the one that writes authoritatively from inside the green zone?
the one that refused to tell the iran-contra story and held back the information on FISA avoidance until after a new supreme court justice had been seated?
that NYT?
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mreinbold Posted 3:59 pm
04 Sep 2008
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PolluteLessDotCom Posted 11:02 pm
05 Sep 2008
We need to put straight facts forward not language and concepts Joe and Jane Smo do not understand, have prejudices about, or even fear. Pointing out where someone is wrong in not "left", it is the right ting to do. As in "correct". And you can do that to please yourself (and those who think like you already) or you can do that to convince those who think differently. Each requires different language.
Karsten
http://www.polluteless.com
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caniscandida Posted 2:04 am
06 Sep 2008
Yesterday this was sent to me, with the introduction that Jon Stewart once again shows himself to be the most reliable news source:
http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/cc_insider/2008/09/jon ...
Chickens deserve our true friendship! So do fish! So do other sentient beings! Let us learn to be kind.
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amazingdrx Posted 2:37 am
06 Sep 2008
Maybe Obama could build on that to restore our economy and moral suasion around the globe? A department of satire might be a good place to start.
http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog John Schneider, Northern Wisconsin
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Pangolin Posted 8:49 pm
06 Sep 2008
While there wasn't much town there was lots of waterfront and that waterfront had barges. Heck I suspect Alaskans and barges are like cows and hayfields if you looked closely enough.
A bunch of the barges that I did notice were piled with logs. So that's how I know that any argument that a bridge is required to log anyplace in Alaska is bunk. Logs are moved every day on barges in Alaska and British Columbia.
That bridge was pure pork of the highest order. Ketchikan is going to thin out and die as it's economy is depedant on cheap diesel fuel for boats and jet fuel for planes keeping the tourists and fishermen moving. Sail power and large shipping isn't going to keep that town alive in the face of high oil prices.
It's the best thing for the trees and fish though.
Put the Carbon Back
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Tootsie Posted 10:53 pm
08 Sep 2008
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