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Polar bears in open water prompt more worries about climate change 18

Ten polar bears were recently spotted swimming in open water off of the northwest coast of Alaska, federal officials confirmed on Friday. Polar bears were not often spotted in open water until about 2004, said Susanne Miller, who heads up the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service's polar bear project. She and other biologists worry that the bears could exhaust themselves with long swims, which take more energy than moving on ice or land. Green groups point to the unusually high number of swimming bears as yet another sign of global warming, with melting ice forcing bears to swim farther than usual to hunt seals or reach stable territory. A higher-than-usual number of polar bears have also been seen on land this summer, perhaps because sea ice is retreating. The Bush administration in May declared that polar bears are a threatened but not endangered species, making sure that oil drilling could continue in their habitat.

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  1. Wolverine Posted 8:31 am
    25 Aug 2008

    Positive Use For MilitaryNow this would be a good use for all the awful military crap the U.S. has built up over the decades.  We should send Coast Guard ships to these areas to rescue the bears and bring them back to solid ice or land.
  2. Annimal Posted 10:46 am
    25 Aug 2008

    Polar PartyMore about threatened polar bears on my blog:
    http://annimal.bloggsida.se/
  3. caniscandida Posted 6:34 pm
    25 Aug 2008

    Oh well, nice knowing you.Consider other Arctic animals too: harp seals, ringed seals, walruses, beluga whales, narwhals ....
    If drilling for oil means the painful death of countless Arctic sentient creatures, then I hope I never benefit a drop from all that selfish drilling.
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    25 Aug 2008

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  5. GonzoDon Posted 1:02 am
    26 Aug 2008

    I enjoy humor as much as the next guy, but ...Thanks so much for the predictable smart-ass comments, jabailo.  You are oh so clever.
    But really.  It has always seemed to me that, whether we like it or not, once all the clever comments are put aside, we are still left with a very real moral responsibility to take seriously the kind of planet we are leaving behind to our children...
    ... to take seriously the kind of debts we are racking up and leaving for THEM to pay after we are gone (who is paying the $500 billion for our War in Iraq, anyway?  It's surely not you or me) ...
    ... to take seriously the kind of dilemmas their generation will face when there are 9 billion human beings on the planet and -- surprise, surprise -- cheap petroleum, cheap fertilizer, and cheap air-conditioning for the McMansions in Phoenix becomes but a fond memory ...
    Not to mention unaffordable food for 3 billion or so of the unluckiest among them.
    But, ah, "moral responsibility", when it comes to thinking ahead even one generation into the future -- much less seven -- has become such an outmoded, old-fashioned concept.  It's kind of like riding the trolley to work, or buying your new refrigerator on the "layaway plan".  Hopelessly quaint.
    Nah.  We're too hip now, too cool, too ironic, too self-absorbed to really "care" about anything but ourselves.  Lord knows we elect people who cater to that self-absorption.  Lord knows we listen to talk-show hosts who gratify us by wallowing in that attitude.
    Which works OK, I guess -- right up until the day the fecal matter hits the rotating oscillator.  Mark Twain: "You know the worth of water when the well runs dry".
    The smart-ass strategy seems to be to bet on the fact that we won't be around to have to clean up the mess we left.  Snarf up all the cookies now and skedaddle out of the kitchen before anyone can catch us.
    Well.  All I can say is: the next generation is growing up quickly, and boy are they going to be pissed.  
    One solution to that unpleasant development, of course, is to simply give all those young folks neatly-bound copies of jabailo's snarky, ironic, and oh-so-clever posts.  That will make them feel much better about inheriting a trashed planet, I'm sure.
    Won't it?
  6. Paleocon Posted 4:52 am
    26 Aug 2008

    How many Polar bears are there supposed to be?Do the seals they eat get a vote? What about the at-risk Orca babies  who go to bed hungry because a Polar bear ate their dinner?
    Why is the "Darwin-fish" medallion sporting crowd so upset when Darwinism is seen in action.
    How many Mastadons should there be?
    By the way, I am the guy paying for the war and every other government program.
    If you aren't paying your fair share of the price tag, that is your failing as a member of society. Will you step up and do something to change your status as a net consumer/societal leech?
    Happy thoughts and hand wringing doesn't feed any hungry kids. My tax dollars take care of a bunch of them.
  7. caniscandida Posted 6:26 am
    26 Aug 2008

    Hurray the Darwin-proto-tetrapod!Why are the Jesus-fish-medallion-sporting crowd NOT upset by all the injustices and inequities committed by pious, church-loving Christians?
    Anyone who goes out onto the street wearing or sporting an explicitly Christian symbol should be prepared to answer a lot of serious questions.
  8. Paleocon Posted 6:50 am
    26 Aug 2008

    Finally, and honest FundamentalistMost AGW Fundamentalists won't admit that they are members of a religious group.
    The contrast you draw between your religion and mainstream Christianity makes for an interesting topic.
    The Marxist underpinnings of the modern day environmental "movement" certainly has a bloody history. Many atrocities have been committed in the name of "the cross", as well.
    What remains to be seen is just how much misery the modern AGW Fundamentalists will be able to inflict upon humankind. Christianity's reign of terror is larger a thing of the past.
    Your religion, however, has the support of the broad secular left who will provide cover for all manner of incremental assaults upon our way of life.
  9. GonzoDon Posted 7:41 am
    26 Aug 2008

    Dear Paleocon,Um, apparently you haven't noticed that President Bush borrowed the money to fight the Iraq War.  You haven't paid any more dollars toward the cost of that war than I have.  Our children will be the ones to pay off that debt, one way or another.  It will start with scaled-back public services, schools, public health care, and social security, I suspect.  
    That's why they call it a "federal deficit".
    And that's a key reason why the federal deficit has reached a record size under the Bush Administration.
    It was thoughtful our good friends in China and Saudi Arabia to loan us the money, though.
  10. LaRojaja Posted 8:51 am
    26 Aug 2008

    Re: Informed honestyWe are doing horrible things to our environment. There is an awful culture of over consumption and under appreciation throughout the world. We need to start talking about real viable issues and options to make our time here count for something good rather than a great detriment. All of that said; after years of interning and studying polar bears, i've seen enough behavioural studies going to enough zoos planning polar bear environments to realize that polar bears spend a large portion of their life in the water and, yes, a portion of that in 'open water.' It's what they do and a part of their environmental behaviour. Yes, they are in diar straits and desperately need to be protected as much as possible, but observations such as a pod of bears swimming only counts to their detriment, as those who argue against their protection see it as obvious reaching. Lets put our heads toward the root issues and solutions and not toward shock value.
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    Delay And Deny Posted 12:32 pm
    26 Aug 2008

    Generation HavesWe're too hip now, too cool, too ironic, too self-absorbed to really "care" about anything but ourselves.
    My own take on it is that most of us are simply too unqualified and uninformed to take real action, so yes, we should comment and shoot the breeze, but not presume that "mass action" would have any effect...especially if it's of the middlebrow nature that most Grist Ecologists propose.
    I just thank heaven that there are enough truly brilliant people in the world willing to subsume their lives to real science and do things like creating Hydrogen from Water (Nocera).  To me that's worth a thousand "energy policies" from blowhard Democrats and puffed up imbeciles like Al Gore.
    As far as what we "leave our children", I think that again, thanks to the real innovators, like the guys at Arpa who invented the Internet, coupled with the beneficent effects of natural global warming, the next few generations will be among the healthiest mentally and physically and the most privileged to ever inhabit Earth.   Unlike GenXers who spend their lives decrying Baby Boomer excess, I imagine Generation SA (Super Abundance) building statues to the inventors of the LCD and fuel cell for having gifted them this new clean, hospitable planet.
  12. caniscandida Posted 5:23 pm
    26 Aug 2008

    fundamentalist Xianity => crazinessFYI, Paleocon, I happen to be a believing, practising, baptized, Bible-reading Christian -- but not of the fundamentalist or evangelical ilk.  I love Charles Darwin; and, IMHO, the theory of evolution as he articulated it is one of the greatest, truest and most elegant thoughts ever thunk by a human being.
    And it sincerely pains me that, for many long decades now, lots and lots of fundamentalist/evangelical Christians persist in idiotically believing that the logical conclusion of the theory of evolution is the utter abolition of all moral values.  (Cf. the story on the biology classroom in Florida, on the front page of Sunday's NY Times.)  That is pure craziness -- as well as profoundly offensive to us friends of Darwin and promoters of evolution.
  13. MAD MAC Posted 6:36 pm
    26 Aug 2008

    Polar Bears need to adaptThey either get used to living on land on the northern Coast of Alaska, or they die. Because their habitat isn't going to change to make them happy.
  14. caniscandida Posted 8:14 pm
    26 Aug 2008

    Anti-animalists need to adaptEvolution does not work like that.
    The sudden changes imposed by global warming on Arctic ecosystems are catastrophic.  This is not a question of (good ol' Republican) "survival of the fittest, and God damn the rest."
    Consider Hiroshima, August 6, 1945.  Of all the people incinerated near Ground Zero, were some "better adapted" to withstanding the effects of the explosion of an atomic bomb, and the subsequent release of radioactivity?  If so, did it matter at all?
    Arctic animals are experiencing an 8/6/45 event, extending over just a few generations.  Expecting the "fitter" of them to survive, endure and pull through is grotesquely unrealistic and ignorant.
  15. MAD MAC Posted 8:38 pm
    26 Aug 2008

    Then they will probably die"Arctic animals are experiencing an 8/6/45 event, extending over just a few generations.  Expecting the "fitter" of them to survive, endure and pull through is grotesquely unrealistic and ignorant."
    Because in all probability the ice caps are going to melt regardless of what we do right now vis-a-vis climate. You know that as well as I do. So adios polar bears. It was nice knowin' ya. Captive breeding programs would appear to be their only chance of survival.
  16. caniscandida Posted 9:03 pm
    26 Aug 2008

    Yes, they will probably die.
  17. WarMaker Posted 10:44 pm
    26 Aug 2008

    Our Great NorthI'm a proud Canadian...my wish is to see our wildlife survive the coming changes. Alas, I have my doubts. It seems between "Global Warming","Giant Corporations", how the fudge are we to battle that?
  18. Wolverine Posted 5:14 am
    27 Aug 2008

    Polar Bears In Open OceansLaRojaja,
    It's not that polar bears were spotted in the open ocean that's the problem.  It's that due to melting ice they're forced to swim distances significantly longer than those for which they have evolved.

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