Pat Michaels slanders Al Gore on Fox’s Hannity & Colmes 15

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   caniscandida Posted 9:31 pm
   17 May 2006

   great sorrow hereDavid, I cannot tell you how miserable I feel, since I was among the first to point out how questionable Al's words sounded at that point.  If Hannity&Colmes were rooting around in Grist looking for something to use against Al Gore, I am miserable to think that I may have led them to the very words that you quoted.
   Thank you so much for doing all you can to set the record straight.

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   da silva Posted 4:20 am
   18 May 2006

   slanderous?Patrick Michaels no doubt cherry-picked from Gore's statement, but that's not equivalent to slander or libel, since it's not a false statement. Gore really did utter the words.
   I haven't seen the movie yet and I'm sympathetic to Gore's position, but I'm not sure I can agree with the words as spoken. What does "over-represent mean anyway? exaggerate? embellish? or what? I suspect Gore simply meant that he portrays the worst-case scenario within a scale of projections, before presenting more hopeful scenarios. But it was an unfortunate choice of words]
   In any case, I don't think there is any need to "over-represent" the evidence and implications of global warming. Even taking middle-of-the-road projections, the picture is plenty dire.
   And Patrick Michaels can go to hell.
   
   

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   Biodiversivist Posted 5:39 am
   18 May 2006

   I hope you get an on air apology for thatToo bad his answer wasn't a little more clear.  Michael's either deliberately took it out of context, or was too stupid to understand the  phrase when seen in full context. Either way he comes across as a dumbass.
   
   In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com

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   sunflower Posted 6:34 am
   18 May 2006

   mass extinctionGlobal warming is melting the permafrost in the West Siberian tundra.  Melting of the Siberian permafrost will, over the next few decades, release hundreds of millions of tons of methane from formerly frozen peat bogs into the atmosphere.   Methane from those bogs is at least twenty times more potent as a greenhouse gas than the carbon dioxide that currently drives global warming.  251 million years ago, at the end of the Permian era, a release of carbon dioxide from volcanic eruptions apparently heated the Earth's atmosphere by about 6 degrees Celsius.  This initial increase in temperature triggered, in turn, a massive release of methane from Arctic tundra and the oceans.  The result of this runaway global warming was the greatest c since life emerged from the sea -- 95 percent of all species in existence died.
   http://www.alternet.org/story/25351/
   So how would it be possible "to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is."   We are developing a dichotomy between those who understand the urgency, and those that don't.
   
   

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   sunflower Posted 6:37 am
   18 May 2006

   I choked on these words...greatest mass extinction since life emerged from the sea

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   David Roberts Posted 7:52 am
   18 May 2006

   AarghI'm not sure I can agree with the words as spoken. What does "over-represent mean anyway? exaggerate? embellish? or what? I suspect Gore simply meant that he portrays the worst-case scenario within a scale of projections, before presenting more hopeful scenarios.
   People seemed determined to misinterpret this.
   Look at it this way. You have a council on global warming. Its job is to speak to the American public on the subject.
   On that council, you have two groups represented. One group is called "factual representations of how dangerous it is." One group is called "discussions of how we can solve the problem." If the council was convened to speak to Europeans, the latter group would be given greater representation, since most Europeans are already convinced there's a problem. But since the council is meant to address Americans, who are not yet convinced there's a problem, the first group is over-represented.
   In other words, Gore meant he has to spend longer explaining the problem and less time discussing solutions when he's speaking to American crowds.
   It was extremely clear in person -- and, I think, fairly clear in transcript -- that Gore's meaning had nothing to do with exaggerating the danger. Nothing. Once and for all.
   
   www.grist.org

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   sunflower Posted 9:02 am
   18 May 2006

   Global Warming DisinformationYes, but even out of context, how could Pat Michaels critique the danger of global warming on FOX with credibility?  
   Challenge television disinformation in both premise and context.  

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   da silva Posted 9:42 am
   18 May 2006

   well, why didn't he just say so?Nope, not determined to misinterpret. It simply wasn't clear -- not even in context. But thanks for explaining. So, all he really meant to say was: If folks aren't convinced of the danger, then you have to hit them with the facts and convince them first, before you can talk about solutions.
   Right? So, why'd he have to gussy it up with "over-represent" this and "predicate" that?

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   David Roberts Posted 10:20 am
   18 May 2006

   Perhaps if he was sitting down to write a speech,he wouldn't use that language. But he was answering a very complicated question -- more complicated than is reflected in the transcript -- on the fly, thinking ahead to what he was going to say next. Do you think you would be a model of perfect clarity in that situation?
   And Gore, for better or worse, is not a person that uses words like "folks." He doesn't use down-homey language to convince people he's "one of them." It's probably the reason he's not president.
   He's a smart guy, he uses long words, and he likes to be precise. In this case, he botched a sentence, probably by running together two thoughts or phrases. Reading with even the slightest sense of charity would make that interpretation the obvious one. It's astonishing how people treat public figures -- no wonder he doesn't want to run.
   
   www.grist.org

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    sunflower Posted 10:50 am
    18 May 2006

    national leadershipThe national leadership vacuum in the US is the #1 problem of global warming abatement.  This problem is so deep and so severe that personal political ridicule just doesn't matter anymore, its childish and stupid.   We all must do the heavy lifting on climate chaos.  Personal wants and desires are not relevant.  Al, resistance is futile.  You have my vote whether you run or not.

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    bookerly Posted 11:59 am
    18 May 2006

    Of Course the Right Mis-Represents
    
      Hi David,
          If you get an answer (unlikey, these folks have no interest in anything remotely resembling truth, fairness or justice), please share it with us.
          No one should ever be surprised that they distort.  It is a standard campaign tactic of the right (and all too frequent in American politics at all levels, by both parties, but the right has become masters of the tactic!).
          I'm with Da Silva, curse them for liars, and move on.  
          We need to figure out how to craft a winning campaign and build a movement that will change the way Americans see global warming.  Worrying about these loonies is a waste of time.  They don't deserve the energy or the respect.
          Keep up the good work David and don't waste too much of your breath on those fools (intended as descriptive not insulting).
    patrick

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    da silva Posted 2:05 pm
    18 May 2006

    SheeshHe's a smart guy, he uses long words, and he likes to be precise. In this case, he botched a sentence, probably by running together two thoughts or phrases. Reading with even the slightest sense of charity would make that interpretation the obvious one. It's astonishing how people treat public figures -- no wonder he doesn't want to run.
    Astonishing? C'mon, man. Anyone who reads Grist knows you don't exactly go easy on public figures.
    What's more, I did read the interview charitably and, for what it's worth, I thought it was a great. Nice job.
    Still, like it or not, politicians are held accountable for the words that come out of their mouths. And what came out of Gore's mouth in that instance was (sorry) wonky gibberish. If the question you asked him was, as you say, more complicated than is reflected in the transcript, then maybe you ought to give us the unexpurgated version.
    Better yet, don't. This is all starting to seem like much ado about nothing.

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    briancarnell Posted 1:09 pm
    22 May 2006

    Pretty Clear to MeI'm sympathetic to Pat Michaels' point of view, but here it is quite clear that he's intentionally misquoting the former vice-president.
    And you don't even need David's summary here. Just read what Michaels says. Gore's saying "it's appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is" is not the same thing as saying "He says it's appropriate to over-represent the danger on this issue" as Michaels paraphrases it.
    That's an obvious misrepresentation of Gore's statement. If Gore had said "it's approriate to over-represent the danger" of global warming, then Michaels would have a point. But Gore didn't say that, so Michaels has to give Gore's quote and then quickly paraphrase it to mean something other than what Gore said.
    Pretty low if you ask me, and like I said I'm much closer to Michaels' view on global warming than Gore's.

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    Claire Posted 3:36 pm
    02 Jun 2006

    Al made himself clear -- no explanation needed.Having only heard that partial phrase of Algore's on the news somewhere, I understood completely what he'd said, same thing as in that expanded quote you provided: "It's okey-dokey to lie like a dog to those poor stupid fools who are too damdumb to already agree with me."
    Message received, Al.  ...long, long ago.

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    amazingdrx Posted 10:43 pm
    02 Jun 2006

    Lying fauxnews"It's okey-dokey to lie like a dog to those poor stupid fools who are too damdumb to already agree with me."
    The philosophy of foxnews exemplified by O'Really, Insanity, and the whole  fauxnews gang!  Excellent!!
    Throw in Booortz, Drug Limbaugh, and that new guy on the bushwackin team, snowjob.
    They lyed US right into this mess o' bushmania.  No way out now.  Nice voting Claire!!!
    
    http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

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