Senate Democrats want to pay for renewables with taxes and royalties on oil companies.
This pressure is causing the oil lobby to threaten higher gasoline prices:
Bill Holbrook, communications director for the National Petrochemical and Refiners Association, told ABC News that there are conflicting signals about what path the nation will take coming from both President Bush and lawmakers on Capitol Hill. The president is calling for a 20 percent reduction on gasoline use while some lawmakers are pushing for more biofuels.
If you process gasoline, those in the industry say that none of those developments are necessarily going to make you want to process more.
"If you're a manufacturer in any industry you're going to consider what the implications are going to be 10 years down the road," Holbrook said. "Are you going to make an investment or reinvestment now to expand production ... to continue making a product that some are trying to limit the distribution of."
Say "analysts" ...
... there "is a widespread view among the oil industry leadership that it is foolhardy to add refining capacity in a market where the federal government is actively promoting and subsidizing alternative fuels as a substitute for petroleum products."
Says a spokesflack for the American Petroleum Institute ... er, API:
"[Oil companies] are in the business to meet demand and have a reliable supply but they are also in the business to see a profit," she said. "If the demand's not going to be there, it doesn't make sense to have that investment."
They're in business to make a profit? Who knew? I wonder what level of profit would be enough to lead to refinery investments.
This is utterly craven, but probably effective. Nothing gets the attention of a junkie like threatening his fix.
(hat tip: AS)
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Rune Posted 9:58 am
19 Jun 2007
It is time to dust off our anti-trust laws
The integrated oil extraction, refining, and distribution industry has just gone on record saying that they have sufficient monopoly power to significantly manipulate prices by making decisions that will reduce the total supply of gasoline in the U.S. Even the ultra-right, business-can-do-no-wrong Heritage Foundation says so. In fact, they just said so last month as part of their argument against windfall profits taxes:
Sounds good to me. Let's see it work. Are there any prosecutors left at DOJ that are not "loyal Bushies," which is to say, faithful servants of the oil industry? No? Darn, I was afraid of that! I guess we need those windfall profits taxes after all, then. And we need them now because there is already evidence that the industry is restricting supply and significantly raising prices as a result. According the article you are quoting from, David:
What is necessary to prove the crime is a formal agreement to act to manipulate prices to the detriment of consumers or evidence of anticompetitive market signaling followed by evidence of what appears to be coordinated actions consistent with the signal. Not sure if that is apparent (yet), but now that representatives for the industry are very publicly encouraging a roll back of refining capacity, it should be easier down the line.
Of course the other part of the story is that the government mandated substitutes for oil products are going to see prices go through the roof as the industry scrambles to press limited and degraded inputs (water, soil, oil, and natural gas) into massive increases of oil crops. Again, couldn't we just spend the same money to make it possible to simply reduce demand by the full 15% target instead of putting us in a vulnerable position with respect to food security for the swelling ranks of the poor? Oh, right, loyal Bushies. Never mind.
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JohnCaley Posted 10:10 am
19 Jun 2007
How long can they get away with it ?
>> If you're a manufacturer in any industry you're going to consider what the implications are going to be 10 years down the road, >>
The oil industry MUST be shut down, NOW !
I suspect they know it, so of course they will stoop to extortion to fill their coffers. They won't fess-up until they are forced to, and so far everyone still loves their car.
LOL, I expect Big Oil will be liable for the remediation of the Earth... sued for their last toe hair... oooh wouldn't want to be in the oil business.
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Biodiversivist Posted 10:26 am
19 Jun 2007
Think about it
Taxes and royalties can be viewed as a way to remove subsidies. Removing subsidies to oil would mean higher prices, which would help make other options competitive and create an incentive for conservation. As long as those taxes go to relieve the hardship of higher prices on our poor then we would have what we need.
In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world
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Rune Posted 11:18 am
19 Jun 2007
The effect of subsidies
Well, maybe not. In the short term, the demand for gasoline is very inelastic, so the quantity of demand doesn't change much, but people are willing to pay through the nose. But what if the windfall profits tax was used to directly reimburse consumers for purchases of alternative fuels? So long as the price of the alternatives after being offset by the amount of the subsidy was less than the prevailing cost of gasoline, consumers would tend to substitute alternative fuel for gasoline until the prices, including the subsidy effect, came back into equilibrium, in part due to increases in both the price and quantity of alternative fuel.
Of course, we may not have any substitute fuels that are truly socially desirable (all things considered) and more or less competitive with gasoline under more or less today's state of the industry. But if we put the subsidy into public transportation, that could have a similar effect, promoting both lower (or at least more stable) gasoline prices and conservation. Certainly, when BART offers free rides to consumers in the S.F. Bay Area, it moves a lot of people out of their cars and onto the trains in a hurry.
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GreyFlcn Posted 11:49 am
19 Jun 2007
They haven't built new refineries for 3 decades
They haven't built new refineries for 3 decades.
Whats so suprising about them giving an "ultimatum" that they don't intend to build new refineries?
They just don't like building refineries.
By keeping the supply of refined product tight, they get to benefit of making their products artificially more expensive.
Same way refined diamonds are scarce, even though unrefined diamonds not scarce.
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odograph Posted 12:01 pm
19 Jun 2007
I'm with BioD
The cleanest way to do this would be to unwind the fossil fuel subsidies (assuming anyone even knows where they all are), but in the "cash accounting" sense, a new tax is a new cost on oil companies, tips things that way.
Any increase in costs (in any busienss) weigh toward higher prices. Fortunately, we GW/PO types want higher prices.
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JMG Posted 12:21 pm
19 Jun 2007
A little reality on refineries
I think it's ok to hate oil companies for their crimes against humanity and the environment. But the complaints by environmentalists remind me of the joke about the two old guys complaining about the food in the diner -- the one guy says "This food is terrible!" and the second goes "Yeah--and the portions, they're so small!"
As Odo says, when referring to high prices for oil, all I can think of is "You say that like it's a bad thing."
Second, raise your hand if you want an oil refinery located nearby. Hmmmm, I don't see any hands. I think you'd have a far easier time sighting a nuke near most people than an oil refinery (with good reason). Oil refineries are what rich people want to site near poor people so that rich people can keep having cheap gas. If you've ever been through Louisiana or Houston or parts of NJ, you know why new oil refineries are not popular.
Lastly, Robert Rapier explained why the refinery capacity thing is a canard (see links in original posted here: http://i-r-squared.blogspot.com/2007/06/gasoline-prices-p ...):
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Jon Rynn Posted 1:14 pm
19 Jun 2007
N.Y.Times had a similar scare article
"Oil Industry Says Biofuel Push May Keep Gas Prices High ". It's behind a fire wall. Here's some of it:
Meanwhile, demand for gasoline continues to climb worldwide. This is what passes for analysis in the mainstream press.
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