Spreadsheets are wonderful things. Rhett Butler has put together a really nice cost analysis comparing the value of tropical peat bogs to palm oil. In a nutshell, this chart shows how much money the owners of these peat bogs could make in the next thirty years, depending of course on the future prices of palm oil and carbon offset credits:

Take a look at the lower left-hand corner. Note that carbon credits put money in the landowners' hands from day one, while a new palm plantation puts them into debt for the first several years. This is a big advantage, because many people will take a short-term profit in lieu of potential future gains. My much maligned post suggesting that carbon credits might accelerate protection of forest property and the storage of carbon by motivating owners to put land into conservation easements would take advantage of the same instinct. Would I take a quarter million dollars now in the hope that I am helping to slow global warming, or hold out for the potential to make a million dollars in ten or twenty years?
And what would happen to the economy of Indonesia with hundreds of billions flowing into the economy? With millions freed from farm labor, will education levels climb and fertility rates drop? Will educated Indonesians with time to think begin to contribute answers to the world's problems? Carbon offsets to third-world countries can be viewed as a form of wealth sharing and poverty reduction, not to mention they will help preserve our life-giving biosphere. To date, attempts to reduce poverty and save our biodiversity have largely failed. Maybe it is time we tried something new (or maybe my personal ecofantasy of stopping the present extinction event has hopelessly biased my thinking).
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another good oneThanks for voicing another beneficial aspect of offsets.
I'm seeing the beginning of a huge market for ecological services...
Why do people only focusWhy do people only focus on palm oil?
When virtually all rainforest soils consist of peat.
And perhaps the most devistation and risk is in Brazil.
Not from Palm Oil, but from Soybeans.
BlehSoybeans are probably worse than Palm Oil
Palm Oil atleast gets a lot more product from a much smaller footprint.
Also Soy creates significant quantities of N2O emmisions.
http://greyfalcon.net/n2o.png
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http://greyfalcon.net/forcing3.png
The owners of the palm oil plantations?The owners of the palm oil plantations...or the people who shoved those owners off their land illegally (at gunpoint) and appropriated them to make the profit? That is, after all, another aspect of substances such as palm oil.
One thing you said frightened me rather, even though I see your point:
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Big picture plz
Land Area:
Indonesia
1,919,440 km²
Malaysia
329,847 km²
Amazon Rainforest
7,000,000 km²
Everyone assumes that agrofuelswill be a big deal in twenty years. They may go the way of whale oil, which was once big business as well. The rusting remains of whale oil refineries can still be found in some places.
In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Poison Darts--Protecting the biodiversity of our world
Comparisons to the AmazonMost of the carbon in Amazonia is in vegetation, most of the carbon in the peatlands of Indonesia is in the soil. The end result is that peat forest in Indonesia locks up more carbon than the typical tropical forest in the Amazon.
Because oil palm plantations are driving peat lands conversion in Indonesia, the purpose of the model was to show that there are other viable options when it comes to land use in Indonesia.
As the article states,
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continuedThis shows carbon storage in Amazonia:
http://news.mongabay.com/2007/0508-amazon.html
Peat forests in Borneo can top 500 tons/ha; peatlands somewhat less.
take a look at this bsPeru wants to plant zillions of hectares of non-native industrial tree plantations where forest once was, and they're calling it 'regrowing forest'.
When will this crap end? Eucalyptus sucks water and can become invasive. I wonder if they'll get carbon offset funding for making these green deserts?
http://www.news24.com/News24/Technology/News/0,,2-13-1443 ...
Whiskerfish
Compensated reforestationThere is a lot of debate going on right now regarding these types of proposals, which do sequester carbon. Brazil is also a big proponent of carbon credits for reforestation. Hopefully these sorts of schemes will not come at the expense of biodiverse natural forests -- that would defeat the purpose.
There are also real concerns about land rights issue. If otherwise "low value" forest land -- at least as perceived by politicians and developers -- suddenly have value through carbon finance, it could be indigenous and rural populations who are evicted from their lands.