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   Delay And Deny Posted 10:59 am
   26 Apr 2007

   Pelosi, Reid Go Down...Greens Next?It's funny, but the Democrats think their going to be riding one white horse after another and it seems like it's backfiring.
   The military spending bill is already being rewritten and Reid/Pelosi have been casted as white-flag waivers.
   I think the the Gorestat is going to be turned down soon as the recent data on the Ross ice shelf show we're nowhere near peak heating:
   http://www.physorg.com/news96828703.html
   The core was extracted during the recent Antarctic summer from a record 4,214 feet below the sea floor beneath Antarctica's Ross Ice Shelf, the Earth's largest floating ice body. Laced with sediment dating to about 10 million years, the core suggests the Ross Ice Shelf retreated and advanced perhaps as many as 50 times during the last 5 million years in response to climate changes, said facility curator Matthew Olney.
   
   
   
   The Texeme Construct

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   Pangolin Posted 11:33 am
   26 Apr 2007

   I'm not sure you read what I read....The article pointed out that deep greens among the netroots have ferreted out the scam of "cap and trade" schemes even thought they have promoters among the Dem elite.
   As far as I know the netroots are pissed off at the Democratic Party elites for ignoring them and then feeding them bad whiskey and bullshit (literally) as a climate change policy.
   The flat earth society or paid shills for Exxon are showing up all over the net with the same, pseudo-science apologies, denials or confusers about climate change.
   The scientific community is as close to unanimous as they can get. There is warming and it is caused by human activity. It WILL BE A HAZARD to most humans.
   Why the pretend confusion?

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   GreyFlcn Posted 11:44 am
   26 Apr 2007

   Uhm so JabaloWhy is it relevant that the iceshelf has retreated over the last 5 million years, if we have had 6 ice ages in the past 650,000 years?

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   Earth Shaman Posted 12:47 pm
   26 Apr 2007

   ClimatologistsHaving the ability to track measurable trends and sample ice cores does not make a climate scientist.Understanding how our climate is wrought through the processes in our universe is key to the beginnings of anyone with a serious interest interest in our warming/severe weather trend.It matters not that there is a consensus among the so called climate guys. What the situation is those guys are believed because they have been so-called trained by a higher learning institute and that will be gospel,as far as they and their followers are concerned.The political barbs mixed into these convesations makes the situation even more bizarre.When we see the extra weather processes we have been experiencing for several years abate,will the climatologists and their followers replace the money they are taking out of our economy for their improper science?? A good question??
   
   Earth Shaman

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   Pangolin Posted 1:34 pm
   26 Apr 2007

   evaluate your risks.If the climatologists are right and we do nothing the planet heats up and kills off the majority of mammalian, avian, amphibian, piscid and lizard species. That would include several billion of the homo sapians variety.
   If the nay-sayers are right and we've modified our whole economy to a carbon free status we have most of the toys we have now but powered by solar, wind, geothermal, a few nukes and tidal power. Houses will be remodeled for efficiency and groceries will come from quaint local markets like the ones we now fly thousands of miles to see at tourist locations.
   Tourism will be sent back to the golden age when cruise ships, zeppelins and the orient express got people there in style. Mexico City and Beijing will be known for their gardens and clear air rather than for their pollution and traffic. Yeah, that would suck.

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   dannychivers Posted 6:33 pm
   26 Apr 2007

   EU Cap and Trade - a Roaring Success...for the polluters, anyway:
   http://environment.guardian.co.uk/energy/story/0,,2044717 ...
   http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,, ...
   Ho hum.

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   Billhook Posted 6:54 pm
   26 Apr 2007

   Cap, ALLOCATE & TradeUnless the title of this option starts to describe the reality,
   
   namely that without an equitable and efficient Allocation of declining emission-rights
   
   the outcome will be neither efficient nor equitable,
   
   there seems little prospect of any useful comparison of the two main policy options.
   With our petrol here in the UK taxed to cost $8 per gallon,
   
   and our purchase of it still rising,
   
   I would be interested to hear of cases where the taxation of a "bad"
   
   has resulted in the suppression of its sales by over 95%,
   
   as must happen asap with US GHG outputs.
   Regards,
   Billhook

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   sasquatch Posted 3:43 am
   27 Apr 2007

   what is improper about the science?see above.

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