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   David Roberts Posted 3:35 am
   13 Aug 2007

   Tim Lambert is funny on this.

   As usual. See here and here.

   Because of the corrections to the GISS data 1998 and 1934 went from being in a virtual tie, to being in a virtual tie.

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   Gar Lipow Posted 4:56 am
   13 Aug 2007

   Deeply felt wish

   "...there is clearly a latent and deeply felt wish in some sectors for the whole problem of global warming to be reduced to a statistical quirk or a mistake."
   

   Really nothing wrong with the wish. It would make me very happy for global warming to turn out just to be a statistical quirk or mistake. Phasing out fossil fuels would still be important, but the deadline would not be quite so urgent. What is wrong is mistaking the wish for the reality...

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   David Roberts Posted 5:11 am
   13 Aug 2007

   MediaMatters

   No one will be surprised to hear that Fox News has been dramatically misrepresenting this development.

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   GreyFlcn Posted 5:29 am
   13 Aug 2007

   Well that figures

   Thats not global temperatures.
   It's only US temperatures.

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   Laurence Aurbach Posted 6:05 am
   13 Aug 2007

   year of records

   Meanwhile, January and April 2007 were the warmest since records began in 1880. The North Pole is disappearing before our eyes in real time. India had double the normal number of monsoon storms, causing the worst flood in decades that has killed hundreds and displaced millions. Record-breaking temperatures in southern Europe killed hundreds, and record heat and rainfall in the UK wreaked havoc.

   This article summed it up: Across Globe, Extremes of Heat and Rain

   The year still has almost five months to go, but it has already experienced a range of weather extremes that the United Nations' World Meteorological Organization said yesterday is well outside the historical norm and is a precursor of much greater weather variability as global warming transforms the planet. ...

   "What I saw just brought home exactly what the IPCC and this report are saying -- that we will be having more extreme weather," Clapp said. "What's frightening to me is that it's all happening more quickly than the earlier models predicted, which tells us that the effects of the buildup of greenhouse gases is probably more damaging than we've thought."

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   Laurence Aurbach Posted 6:16 am
   13 Aug 2007

   wish i could correct my own posts

   That first link about January and April should have been to this press release.

   Hey, this is "cool." The UN has a new Climate Change portal: http://www.un.org/climatechange/

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   WWAGD?! Posted 6:26 am
   13 Aug 2007

   Bowery Boys Didn't Drive no SUV

   
   Ever see those 1934 era movies in black and white.

   What do you remember?

   That's right, everyone was POOR!

   It was the GREAT DEPRESSION

   As in no cars, no money, no heat.

   A low point for CO2...yet the 1930s are as hot as the go-go years of CO2 like the 90s.

   Why aren't people answering this critical question???????
   

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   GreyFlcn Posted 6:28 am
   13 Aug 2007

   Why?

   Why aren't people answering this critical question???????

   
   Because it's global warming.
   Not local warming.

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   WWAGD?! Posted 6:49 am
   13 Aug 2007

   1934: A Year That Will Live in Infamy !!!

   
   The Great Depression was a worldwide nadir in industrial production -- yet it is the record holder for temperature...along with it's sister years in the 1930s.

   CO2 goes down...temperature goes up.

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression

   The Great Depression was the result of the economic downturn that started with the stock market crash on October 29, 1929, known as Black Tuesday. It began in the United States and quickly spread to Europe and every part of the world, with devastating effects in both the industrialized countries and those which exported raw materials. International trade declined sharply, as did personal incomes, tax revenues, prices and profits. Cities all around the world were hit hard, especially those dependent on heavy industry. Construction was virtually halted in many countries. Farming and rural areas suffered as crop prices fell by 40 to 60 percent.[1] Mining and logging areas had perhaps the most striking blow because the demand fell sharply and there were few employment alternatives.

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    darthschmoo Posted 9:38 am
    15 Aug 2007

    Oh, jabailo...

    Let's set aside your confusion about the difference beetween global temperatures and continental U.S. temperatures for a moment.  Instead, let's focus on your confusion about the difference between atmospheric concentrations of CO2 and yearly production of CO2.

    Let us use the analogy of a retirement account.  During the roaring twenties, we were socking it away like mad.  But in the thirties, we had very little money to put into the account.  Yet every time we went to the bank to deposit the nickel we scraped together that week for retirement, the cashier told us that our balance was higher than it had ever been.

    Lunacy!  If the account is highest when we put the least money into it, then clearly there is no link between putting money into the account and the account balance.

    If every human and every artifice of industry was removed from the planet right now, it would take millennia for CO2 to recede back to pre-industrial levels.  In fact, it would probably take a century just for the world to stop warming, since the world isn't yet in thermal equilibrium given the CO2 already present.

    There is too much inertia in the system for a hiccup like the Great Depression to fundamentally alter the overall picture.  If you think you're asking a silver bullet of a question here, then you really don't understand the science you're trying to undermine.

    If you want my vision of the future, imagine a woman in army boots and a Che Guevara t-shirt stamping on Sam Walton's face -- forever.

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