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Memo to James Hansen: Your opposition to Waxman-Markey is ill-conceived and unhelpful 8

Climate Wire (subs. req’d) reports today:

NASA’s leading climate scientist says he hopes that climate legislation proposed by Democratic Reps. Henry Waxman (CA) and Edward Markey (MA) to introduce carbon emissions trading to the United States fails. He says lawmakers should abandon cap-and-trade initiatives altogether and implement a simple carbon tax instead….

“Trading of rights to pollute … introduces speculation and makes millionaires on Wall Street,” Hansen said in his keynote lecture at Columbia University’s 350 Climate Conference held here Saturday. “I hope cap and trade doesn’t pass, because we need a much more effective approach.”

Hansen also stands opposed to so-called “cap and dividend” proposals that would introduce pollution trading and a near full auctioning of emissions, with proceeds from the auctions going back to the public. Instead, Hansen proposed a “tax and dividend” approach to tax fossil fuels at the point where they are extracted from the ground, to set a firm price on carbon. Proceeds from the tax, rather than from the auctioning of allowances, would then be distributed to consumers.

“It could be implemented in one year, as opposed to decades with cap and trade,” he said. “The bureaucracy is very simple.”

Why oh why do even smart people like NASA’s James Hansen think that there is such a thing as a “simple carbon tax”? Have you folks ever looked at the friggin’ tax code?

Seriously, nothing bugs me more than this notion that Congress would ever pass a “simple” carbon tax, even if it were politically feasible, which it most certainly is not. Well, one thing bugs me more — people who attack the first serious chance we have to get major energy and climate legislation because they are operating under the severe misimpression that the political system of this country might embrace a tax.

Nobelist Al Gore, who also embraces a 350 ppm target like Hansen, combines political realism with his climate science realism, which is why he takes the exact opposite view that Hansen does — see Gore on Waxman-Markey: “One of the most important pieces of legislation ever introduced in the Congress … has the moral significance” of 1960s civil rights legislation and Marshall Plan.

Let’s be very clear here, since there are obviously a great many smart people who keep pushing a carbon tax instead of cap-and-trade, who are wasting a lot of time tilting at windmills, so to speak, when they should be building them instead (with the help of Waxman-Markey):

  1. A carbon tax, particularly one capable of deep emissions reductions quickly, is a political dead end. Neither the Obama administration nor senior members of Congress support a carbon tax. Quite the reverse. Obama (and Clinton and Biden) campaigned on a cap-and-trade system. That is the only game in town. Now you can choose to play checkers when everyone else is playing chess, but don’t be surprised if everyone else starts to criticize or ignore you.
  2. A carbon tax that could pass Congress would not be simple. Advocates of a tax argue that simplicity is one of its biggest benefits. Again, those advocates seem bizarrely unfamiliar with the tax code in spite of the fact that they pay taxes every year. And those advocates seem unfamiliar with what happened the last time Congress tried an energy tax. Does anyone think a carbon tax could be enacted into law that did not have various exemptions or that did not allow companies to pay part of that tax by purchasing offsets? Get real, people. Again, we ain’t playing checkers here. The Waxman-Markey cap-and-trade bill isn’t complicated because its authors want a complicated system. It is complicated because this is a complicated issue and various powerful interests get to weigh in and influence the outcome to protect their interests. The same would be true of a carbon tax bill.
  3. A carbon tax is woefully inadequate and incomplete as a climate strategy. Why? Well, for one, it doesn’t have mandatory targets and timetables. Thus it doesn’t guarantee specific emissions results and thus doesn’t guarantee specific climate benefits. Perhaps more important, it doesn’t allow us to join the other nations of the world in setting science-based targets and timetables. Also, a tax lacks all of the key complementary measures — many of which are in Waxman-Markey — that are essential to any rational climate policy, but which inherently complicate any comprehensive energy and climate bill. Also, the notion that you could return all the money of a tax back to the public is rather naïve at best and counterproductive at worst.

Let me elaborate on these points.

1. A carbon tax, particularly one capable of deep emissions reductions quickly, is a political dead end. There simply aren’t any major politiciansin office who support one. So I’m not certain who is going to introduce this imaginary “simple carbon tax” as a bill, and I’m quite certain very few are going to vote for it. The Obama administration campaigned on a cap-and-trade, and they are the only ones who can change the direction of US climate policy, the only ones who could move us to a tax. Since they aren’t going to do that, it is a monumental waste of everyone’s time for people like Hansen to rail against cap-and-trade. You might as well howl at the moon or look for gold at the end of the rainbow.

The weird thing to me is not that Hansen refuses to combine policy/political realism with climate science realism. He is, after all, a climate scientist — the one I admire most greatly (see “American Meteorological Society gives James Hansen its top honor“) — and not a politician. The weird thing to me is that Hansen refuses to be internally consistent and advocate policies that match his scientific statements. I have blogged on this at great length here: “An open letter to James Hansen on the real truth about stabilizing at 350 ppm.”

Let me repeat the key point: It is utterly inconceivable that you could stabilize atmospheric concentrations anywhere near 350 ppm by using a carbon price as your primary mechanism.

A price isn’t what is needed to stop building any new coal plants and shut down every existing one in 10 years in rich countries and 20 years everywhere else — and replace all that power (plus growth) with carbon-free generation and efficiency. Plus you have to build all the necessary transmission.

Indeed, I can’t imagine how high a price would be needed but it is probably of the order of $1000 a ton of carbon or more starting in 2010. Talk about shock and awe. Remember, we are talking about a carbon price so high that it actually renders coal plants that have been completely paid for uneconomic to run. And once you stop new demand and start shutting down existing plants, the price of coal will collapse to almost nothing.

Once you start building all of the alternatives at this unimaginable pace, bottlenecks in production and material supply will run up their costs. The collapse in coal prices, making existing plants very cheap to run, together with the run up in the price of all alternatives will force carbon prices even higher.

But, in any case, if you want to replace all those existing coal plants with carbon free power that fast, again the carbon price is almost beside the point. How are you going to site and build all the alternative plants that fast? How are you going to site and build all the power lines that quickly? How are you going to allocate the steel, cement, turbines, etc? How are you going to train all the people needed to do all this?

There is only one way. That is a WWII-style and WWII-scale government-led mobilization. As Hansen and his coathors conclude in their landmark paper (see “Stabilize at 350 ppm or risk ice-free planet, warn NASA, Yale, Sheffield, Versailles, Boston et al“):

The most difficult task, phase-out over the next 20-25 years of coal use that does not capture CO2, is Herculean, yet feasible when compared with the efforts that went into World War II.

Well, we didn’t accomplish the WWII mobilization through a pricing mechanism. So if you support 350 ppm — and as readers know, I have various issues with that target — then you need to be honest with the public about what the right policy approach is and not go about A) offering policy proposals that won’t get you 350 and B) criticizing others who may not embrace your target for advancing a different approach that also won’t achieve 350 ppm.

2. A carbon tax that could pass Congress would not be simple. I would have thought this was obvious were it not for the large number of very smart people who believe otherwise. Again, look at the U.S. tax code. Let’s also look at what happened with the BTU tax. There were granted:

… a steady string of energy-tax exemptions to key lawmakers, special pleaders and important industries. Farmers won exemptions on diesel fuel for tractors. Majority Leader George Mitchell won an exemption for home heating oil, an important commodity in New England. Clinton himself agreed in an April telephone call (from a Congressman at a pay phone in Oklahoma) to change the way the tax would be collected on natural gas, electricity and oil.

And as for rip-offsets, strong political forces are insisting upon a cap-and-trade system that includes large amounts of offsets to substitute for a fraction of the emissions permits/allowances that carbon-emitters need to buy. I am not a fan of rip-offsets (see “The one simple change that could vastly improve Waxman-Markey:  Sunset the rip-offsets“) — although they are not as bad as many people think, as I will discuss in later posts.

But why wouldn’t those same strong political forces insist that carbon-emitters be able to pay some of their carbon tax through the purchase of offsets? It would be very “simple” to introduce that into this imaginary carbon tax bill. But it would create a bureaucracy comparable to the one needed for Waxman-Markey.

It’s the golden rule, folks. If you have the gold — in this case, the lucre from selling unsustainable, polluting energy — you get to write some of the rules.

And if Hansen thinks that it would be politically possible to raise carbon prices that high without diverting some of the money to affected industries, again, I’m not certain what country he is living in.

And again a carbon price isn’t going to solve the problem by itself. You need a bunch of complementary measures that complicate the legislation. I have been meaning to write about a recent Carnegie Mellon University report that came to that exact conclusion, but until I get around to that, you can look at the Green Car Congress piece on it, “CMU Paper: Market-Based Mechanisms for CO2 Reduction Will Be Insufficient to Attain Mid-Century Goals.”

Hansen sort of acknowledges this:

But ultimately, an effective response to climate change will require a variety of actions, he argued. That includes a new, much stronger international agreement, action by U.S. lawmakers to finally put a price on carbon through a tax, and new policies designed to ultimately phase out fossil fuel consumption.

“We’re going to have to make the decision to leave coal in the ground” or burn it only at power plants utilizing carbon capture and sequestration technology, Hansen said. “Perhaps the best chance is in the courts,” he added.

Courts? Yeah, that’ll get it done in the time frame needed.

Fine, “we need new policies designed to ultimately phase out fossil fuel consumption.” Waxman-Markey isn’t perfect, but it has some of those policies and it’s a start.

3. A carbon tax is woefully inadequate and incomplete as a climate strategy. Let me just focus on one issue here — the need for targets and timetables. A climate bill must have binding targets and timetables if it is to achieve any desired emissions or concentration goal. That is especially true because we need to have a credible piece of legislation to convince the rest of the world that we are serious about emissions reduction.

Thus the “simple carbon tax” bill would have to have binding, specified targets and timetables similar to (if not stronger than) Waxman-Markey. It would have to have some sort of mechanism for constantly adjusting the tax to make sure emissions goals were being met. The obvious mechanism is to simply auction the permits and let the market decide what the price is. Otherwise, you have to develop an equally complicated bureaucracy that keeps changing the carbon price based on past performance and that keeps trying to guess what future price is needed to achieve the binding targets and timetables.

So again, whatever this carbon tax bill would be — at the end of the day it would probably look a lot like a cap-and-trade system with exceptions and allocations for certain industries, international and domestic offsets, various complementary measures like energy efficiency standards, and some complicated oversight board but constantly adjusted the price.

I can appreciate Hansen’s frustration with the politics and bureaucracy surrounding a cap-and-trade. But I think that is far more an inevitable outcome of the nature of this legislation and the nature of our political process than it is inherent in the policy measure. And the notion that the political system would somehow accept a much higher price of carbon through a tax bill but not a cap-and-trade bill is, again, naive.

The Climate Wire story notes:

Public remains apathetic about climate Hansen also said climate activists need to be more vocal and strategic in getting the public to lobby harder for action to reduce emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases. He pointed to recent public opinion polls showing that among Americans’ concerns, climate change ranks nearly last in the order of priority, well behind the economy and the United States’ dependence on foreign oil.

“It’s hard for people to realize that we have a crisis, because you don’t see much happening,” he said. “If people understood the implications for their children and grandchildren, they would care.”

Well, again, a surefire way to make sure that you don’t see much happening is to keep campaigning against Waxman-Markey, because that is the only serious comprehensive energy and climate legislation around.

Hansen also urged conference participants to press the United States to negotiate a robust international agreement by the final negotiating round of U.N. climate change talks this year at Copenhagen. He said the new agreement has to be much more far reaching than the Kyoto Protocol, which he deems to have been entirely ineffective, and the Copenhagen talks should emphasize action by the United States and China.

I can’t argue with that, except to say that the world would be much happier — much more willing to join us in climate action — if we passed something like Waxman-Markey than if we passed the imaginary simple carbon tax.

No, Waxman-Markey won’t get us to 350-450 ppm, but it takes us off of the business as usual path, which is the most important thing, and it accelerates the transition to a clean energy economy, which is the second most important thing, and it establishes a framework that can be tightened as reality and science render inevitable. That is, after all, the same way we saved the ozone layer. The original Montréal protocol provisions would not have done so. But they got tightened overtime.

Hansen is right that it can take a few years (not decades) to establish a cap-and-trade system. That’s why we need to start now.

Joseph Romm is the editor of Climate Progress and a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress.

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  1. guade00 Posted 8:52 pm
    05 May 2009

    Whatever we do, we better do it fast. And it had better make a difference in worldwide GHG emissions, or we're pissing in the wind.
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    Ken Johnson Posted 9:41 pm
    05 May 2009

    Here's a puzzle: Cap-and-trade and carbon taxes both put a price on carbon. In the case of a tax, you know up front what the price will be. With cap-and-trade you haven't a clue; prices can fluctuate wildly from day to day. So why is cap-and-trade more politically acceptable than a tax? Do industry lobbyists like price volatility?

    Romm says "A climate bill must have binding targets and timetables if it is to achieve any desired emissions or concentration goal." But targets aren't "binding" unless you are able and willing to enforce them at $1000/ton. But you aren't. So how do you both guarantee the targets and ensure that prices stay well below $1000/ton? Well, you make the targets so meager and anemic that allowances will be sufficiently cheap under worst-case economic scenarios. But the worst-case scenarios don't materialize, so prices collapse to a level that is not only far below climate sustainability requirements, but also far below your willingness to pay. So how is it that cap-and-trade is more environmentally effective than a tax?

    Romm perpetuates misunderstanding and ignorance by presenting cap-and-trade and carbon taxes as mutually exclusive alternatives. He doesn't recognize the possibility of a policy that guarantees at least a fixed minimum price while also guaranteeing an emission cap.
  3. Alec Johnson Posted 9:44 pm
    05 May 2009

    Thank you for this! While I have the utmost respect for James Hansen and Climate scientists in general, their expertise does not extend well to politics and the reminder you provide above is a healthy corrective. Getting Waxman-Markey passed could well be one of the most important pieces of legislation to ever emerge from any legislature in history. Time is not on our side and Obama's political capital won't last forever. Those who ignore political realities and the realm of the possible do so at everyone's peril.
  4. Tyler Durden Posted 9:34 am
    06 May 2009

    There's no reason a cap on emissions could not be added to a carbon tax, which solves those issues that Mr. Romm raises.  The problem with cap & trade or setoffs is that they don't actually reduce emissions.  Look at Europe.  Caps without exceptions and without trading or setoffs would be the best solution, but the people in power, and most others too, are not willing to give up their unnatural, opulent lifestyles in order to save the planet.  So we continue to muddle along, pretending to take action when in fact nothing is being accomplished.  Have you actually read any of the studies that showed that carbon emissions are increasing in every country, regardless of cap and trade or other programs?
    Humans need to grow up and quit thinking they can have their cake and eat it too.  Either we simplify our lifestyles and begin living a lot more naturtally, or there will eventually be no planet left that we can live on.  And this goes not only for the rich countries, but for the other ones that want to be rich and are doing as much environmental damage as possible in an attempt to become so (China, India, etc.).
  5. SallyVCrockett Posted 10:51 am
    06 May 2009

    I absolutely disagree that a carbon tax is a political non-starter, especially given that Waxman-Markey is taking on water at an alarming rate and is being made totally ineffective with all of the giveaways needed to garner support among committee members.  If framed the right way, members on both sides of the aisle could support a revenue-neutral carbon tax that both bolsters the economy and mitigates global climate change.
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    Jon Rynn Posted 1:33 pm
    06 May 2009

    Wait a minute!  This is what Joe saidThere is only one way [to phase out coal plants quickly]. That is a WWII-style and WWII-scale
    government-led mobilization" 
    Does anyone know if Joe has written about this government-led mobilization? (shameless plug: I have)  If a government-led mobilization is what is needed, why are we even arguing about cap-and-trade vs. carbon tax?  Why aren't we talking about the details of a government-led  mobilization?Another interesting line of Joe's:Let me repeat the key point: It is utterly inconceivable
    that you could stabilize atmospheric concentrations anywhere near 350
    ppm by using a carbon price as your primary mechanism.
     Which includes cap-and-trade, I assume.  Notice I'm not arguing against waxman-markey, I would argue quite the opposite, the point is that if government-led intervention is what is needed to do the job, let's go for government-led intervention.
  7. mikeyohare Posted 1:46 am
    31 May 2009

    You say "A carbon tax is woefully inadequate and incomplete as a climate strategy". In my experience that is not true. I live in Sweden and since the two oil crises in the 1970s the government introduced steadily increasing fossil fuel taxes. Today, Sweden is well on the road to becoming fossil fuel free. The EU cap and trade scheme has helped, but it was the fossil fuel taxes that made it happen as they were simple and effective.They also helped enable great developments like the 100% locally renewable energy system in The Western Harbour, Malmo.You can read more about what Sweden and Malmo has done on my website Cities for People
  8. david lewis Posted 9:41 pm
    07 Jun 2009

    Romm has had trouble with Hansen ever since Hansen announced he was going to publish saying the maximum acceptable level of greenhouse gases the atmosphere could stand had already been exceeded.  Politics, as Romm understands it, can't deal with that reality.  At that point, Romm descends into gibberish.  Hansen's ideas are "ill conceived", his contribution is "unhelpful", etc.  Perhaps Romm's head exploded.He's like a chain smoker who is told he's dying of lung cancer who announces that the plan everyone's backing to slowly increase the number of cigarettes he's smoking over the next 41 years (but to smoke less than he otherwise might) is the best and only thing that can be done, why its historic, and significant, and by god its achieveable.  Romm wants us to believe that his doctor who tells him he must end this habit as soon as possible is the one whose ideas are "ill conceived".  Its his doctor, Romm tells us, whose advice is "unhelpful".  Its laughable. Romm, and all those who maintain that Waxman-Markey is the only way forward, are in effect saying that a plan that will increase the forces driving global warming during every year of the next 41 years and leave these forces still increasing in 2050 is the only reasonable thing that can be done.  We've simply got to kill the planet, albeit if Waxman-Markey is enacted slightly more slowly, and all those who say some other way must be found are mad. I wonder. Hansen, on the other hand, says he was initially "stunned" to find himself being the one to have to say this, but he's faced up to the implications of his research and he's asking us all to be realistic, and do the impossible.  As it is, according to Hansen's research, the planetary system has already been committed to enough warming that there will be no ice left at the poles, which means 260 feet of sea level rise over the next few centuries, it is the end of this age of life on land and in the oceans, and it is hard to see how the international tension all this change happening so rapidly will set off can result in anything other than nuclear war. Hansen's prescription is to call for stabilizing the composition of the atmosphere as quickly as possible and then start on the task of returning the composition of the atmosphere to what it was several decades ago. Waxman-Markey pretends this assessment does not exist.  But everone knows about Hansen. Its bizarre. How could Hansen back a bill such as Waxman-Markey, which is not aiming to stabilize the composition of the atmosphere at any level of greenhouse gas, but rather aims at what its backers think is politically achieveable?  Reality at some point will make itself felt. Even Romm believes that reality will cause everyone to rethink what is being done now.  Romm is saying that we should pass this bill because it will save a bit of time later when the climate s&*t really starts hitting the fan.  Romm refers to the way the Montreal Protocol laid out a framework to stop ozone depletion but didn't actually aim to do it, until the Ozone Hole was discovered over Antarctica and finally everyone screwed themselves up to take action.  So what would Waxman-Markey save, a few months?  Most economists agree that a carbon tax would be more effective and would be easier to implement in any case, so who needs a framework for a second class tool that isn't aiming at a solution? We've forgotten how fast civilization can act when it sees a real need to save itself. Whatever, Romm should drop his critique, if we can call it that, of Hansen.  Hansen is a master of the science, and Romm may know a bit more about how things work inside the Beltway.  We've got enough morons attacking scientists because they don't like the hard truth that the scientists are trying to bring to the debate.  We don't need Romm telling us Hansen doesn't know what he is talking about.  The guy who doesn't know his own declared ground is Romm. Politics can be about changing what is politically feasible, and Romm either doesn't understand that, or he's forgotten. 

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