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Umbra on vinyl records 10

Umbra,

I know that PVC is bad, and vinyl records are PVC (right?), but is there any harm in keeping the records I already have, or should I get rid of them? And if so, what's the best way to do so? I've recently been trying to phase out any "bad" plastics, including anything that leaches, and while I understand the danger of plastic leaching chemicals into a water bottle, is there anything all that bad about playing an old vinyl record? I've even seen them used as fruit bowls! Is that safe? I really enjoy listening to the old-time music and have quite an extensive collection, and I love the crackle produced by little dust particles hitting the needle. It gives it a timeless sound. However, if you say they've gotta go, then that's what I'll do.

Andrew Berardy
Rochester, N.Y.

Dear Andrew,

You would throw out your entire record collection at the behest of someone you've never met? I don't think that's wise.

Reduce, reuse, relisten?

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The situation with your LPs is similar to the fur coat problem we encountered a few weeks back. Both are Reuse with a social dilemma attached. Vinyl is a very bad plastic for all the reasons we and others have repeatedly mentioned (dioxin, lead, poor recyclability), and I have adopted it as the Easy Plastic to Avoid. We have our little mnemonic slogan, "No Vinyl, That's Final."

The animal-rights people might as well have a little slogan, "We Aver: No On Fur." My advice to the fur lady was, obey the animal-rights people if you are prepared to do so, and get rid of your fur. The fur was "vintage," though, so no animals were killed on her recent behalf; they had been killed long ago at the hands of ye olde trappers. Similarly, no vinyl was pressed on your behalf, and digging through "vintage" records at yard sales and thrift stores produces no new vinyl.

The two problems with your vinyl records, that I can see, are in trendsetting and disposal. You may have admirers who decide to use LPs and then go buy new LPs. This is the anti-vintage-fur argument: You are making evil vinyl hip. As for disposal, when the records go in the trash, they may be incinerated or crushed and release end-of-life toxics. However, I can't find evidence that you harm yourself or your family through playing LPs -- though I personally would draw the line at vinyl fruit bowls. Can I find out if heating the vinyl enough to reform it into a bowl is harmful to the crafter or the eater? No. But from what we know about vinyl, its ability to offgas, and the poisonous additives that may or may not be in records (lead!), I'm persuaded that vinyl fruit bowls are a fun item we can do without.

The reason I will not recommend getting rid of your record collection, though, is that there is no better alternative. Fur coats are far from the only choice in winter warmth; but of the available music formats, none is particularly pure. Compact discs come packaged in vinyl and are often backed with aluminum (a resource-intensive metal). One could try to avoid owning discs, and just download digital files, but electronic music storage devices, such as mp3 players, are filled with the heavy metals that make tiny electronics possible. Maybe the anti-vinyl lobby is just less powerful than the anti-fur lobby, but I can't work up much concern about your old records. Honestly, I wasn't that concerned about the vintage fur, either, I was just reporting on the accepted stance. Reuse away, my friend.

Scratchily,
Umbra

 

Yours is to wonder why, hers is to answer (or try). Send your green-living questions to Umbra.

Umbra Fisk is Grist Research Associate II, Hardcover and Periodicals Unit, floors 2B-4B.

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  1. demolitionwoman Posted 8:43 am
    04 Feb 2008

    On the reuse of vinyl recordsIf you're not going to listen to the music on 'em, there are a few crafty people in Seattle that make bags/purses out of them.
    One could also cut them in half or quarters and make  notebook covers out of them.  Or use them as placemats.
    From the PVC-is-bad-for-your-health side of things:  really, unless you're physically humping the records, they're not going to do much damage to your health just sitting there and being listened to.  
  2. Gatta Posted 2:55 pm
    04 Feb 2008

    Golden OldiesOld LPs aren't doing any harm sitting on a shelf or spinning on your stereo. Keep them and enjoy them, and take good care of them so you won't have to throw them away. (Get a DiskSaver.) I have LPs you can't find on CD, and I love to listen to them. Am told there is even a resurgence of enthusiasm for LPs; people love the soft sound of the old recordings. YIKES! Does that mean that us Golden Oldies are undermining ecology? That companies are going back to marketing vinyl records? Say it ain't so, Joe!
  3. undyau Posted 3:18 pm
    04 Feb 2008

    diamond meet pvc, pvc meet diamondEvery time you play a record the diamond tipped stylus is grinding away in the groove creating...  PVC dust.
    Playing the things sounds downright reckless... I did see a new record player that played with a <DrEvil>laser</DrEvil> replacing the regular stylus, but like Umbra says you then have to put up with heavy metal.

  4. Des Emery Posted 4:09 pm
    04 Feb 2008

    vinyl recordingsIf music - real music, that is - means anything to you, then keep and use vinyl hi-fi recordings.  You will never get the quality sound, both high and low register in full range, from the computerized, compressed, digital things that pass for recordings nowadays.
    Just when hi-fi was getting into three-dimensional reproduction of music, whether from orchestral or singular source, the urge to have our own private audio in our ear took over.  What a pity.  This generation will never know what real music is like, evidently preferring to drown out the world with noise instead.
  5. J4zonian Posted 1:21 am
    05 Feb 2008

    vinylavoidanceCome on, isn't this a sign (even Umbra's answer) that we're so far from being healthy we don't even think about making our own music? As someone (George Carlin? Jerry Mander?) said, "Once you turn it off there are an infinite number of channels to choose from." Although we probably do it badly some places you can certainly find toxin-free violin-, guitar- and flute-manufacturing, and the off-gassing of singing along with your Rise Up Singing songbook is minimal and can be taken care of with a few Impeachmints. Look beyond. If you don't know the hands who made the product, boycott it.  
  6. Storm Dragon Posted 6:14 am
    07 Feb 2008

    Speaking as a musician....I must admit that J4zonian has a point.  Too often, we think of music as something to buy, not something we can make at home.  However, consider this: In these modern times, listening to recordings is a valuable way to learn new songs, and a source of inspiration for the budding musician.  (And let's face it, Rise Up Singing is very difficult to use if you haven't actually heard the songs.) From the standpoint of the working musician, it is advantageous to have a recorded sample of one's music, preferably on CD.  The recording technology, alas, is not particularly "clean".  Let's see what we can do to make it better!
  7. Gatta Posted 12:14 pm
    13 Feb 2008

    Making music, and beyondAs a recorder player (sopranino through bass) and percussionist, I have to agree with by J4zonian and Storm Dragon. There is nothing so wonderful as making your own music, in groups or by yourself. My recorders are made of wood (mostly sustainable, rosewood, pearwood, boxwood. Only one, a cranky little soprano, is made from ebony. My drums are of wood, goatskin, brass, and ceramic.
    Just out of idle curiosity, what are CDs and DVDs made of? And for that matter, what are their jewelboxes made of? Vinyl? Something we don't even want to think about? What happens to all those CDs and jewelboxes once they go out of fashion and the little teenyboppette tosses them? Inquiring minds want to know.
  8. themrfreeze Posted 4:28 am
    14 Feb 2008

    Nothing wrong with old LPsOkay, now I had to create an account and reply to something.  :)
    I don't see the environmental negative to a person buying and enjoying old LPs.  If anything it's BETTER for the environment, as that'll just decrease the number of LPs and old turntables that wind up in the landfills.
    I would imagine that over the long term, the environmental impact of an LP lover would be drastically lower than that of somebody who listens to CDs or MP3s, even if that LP lover occasionally buys a new LP.  The hardware needed to play these is cheaply built and frequently replaced (iPods, computers, portable CD players, etc.).  Turntables are simple machines that are (by necessity) solidly built and can last for decades.  My 1976 Dual turntable works great...try finding a first generation iPod from 2002 that's still working.
  9. dwarmstr Posted 8:59 am
    16 Feb 2008

    CDs and their casesCDs themselves are polycarbonate.  Most CD cases (at least the brittle clear ones) are polystyrene.  
  10. Greenpointer Posted 4:40 pm
    18 Feb 2008

    PVC: Perverted Vinyl Conflagrationso I'm doing this little radio piece on how phthlates are bad for kids, mkay, like how they're in kids toys, mkay, and I'm looking over at my Jimi Hendrix "Axis: Bold as Love" record and it's beautiful artwork all big and colorful, and the weight of the disk in my hand just feels like gravity man, ya know... and the crackle as the needle touches down on the outer groove just rights me... and so like once the music's playing, I'm having all kinds of vivid psychadellic and emotional experiences and reflections... the world and war and time and togetherness and melody and math and my mom and nature all collide in a massive lotus flower with a many-headed diety whispering the secrets of the universe directly into my mind...
    where was I...(?)
    oh... yeah... so like if I'm letting off PVC dust and I should trash my records for a recorder, flute, or maracas... y'all must be B-U-G-G-I-N because I know one thing, I AIN'T no and NEVER WILL BE no Jimi Hendrix... u dig?

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