Breaking news: Permafrost loss linked to Arctic sea ice loss 10

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   LGT Posted 5:09 pm
   12 Jun 2008

   Make sure you don't drink too much!Drunken Forest
   
   http://feww.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/drunken-forest/

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   314159265 Posted 7:59 pm
   12 Jun 2008

   Greenland Ice?I guess Artic sea ice loss also accelerates Greenland ice loss, thus sea level rise.

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   Hmpf Posted 10:06 pm
   12 Jun 2008

   So how do we get politicians to take this serious?If they don't, we're screwed, aren't we?
   Here's an idea. What if environmentalists went and, en masse, joined existing parties, ideally parties in power? If enough of us did that, we might be able to influence the political agenda - arguably to a greater degree than as individual citizens. (Though maybe that's a plan that makes more sense where I live - Germany - than in America, I don't know.)

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   LGT Posted 11:13 pm
   12 Jun 2008

   PoliticiansHmpf
   You're serious, I take it. Right?
   Politicians aren't appointed to the job for their ability to make decisions; they are there to rubber stamp the cabal's agenda!

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   JMG Posted 11:26 pm
   12 Jun 2008

   "With Speed and Violence"Fred Pearce's book: With Speed and Violence -- it's all about these tipping points that push us into our appointed collision with our destiny.  Oh, the costs have having become much more clever than wise.
   
   The 5% Project

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   billgee Posted 11:41 pm
   12 Jun 2008

   Right. Right. Right.Its Freds book, no doubt.
   BUT ITS HANSENS PRESENCE
   The costs of having become wise
   Saddening, isnt it?

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   stevenearlsalmony Posted 11:59 pm
   12 Jun 2008

   Perhaps politicians and economists need...................to embrace science.
   letter to the editor
   
   Chapel Hill (NC) Newspaper
   
   June 11, 2008
   Solutions exist if we apply the science.
   Humankind is surely experiencing the fulfillment of a Chinese proverb: "We live in interesting times." Many of our brilliant scientists report that God is a delusion. On the other hand, intuitive and gifted believers regularly tell us that these scientists themselves suffer from a form of delusional atheism. No one knows, I suppose, which of these groups is correct.
   I am one of those people who believes the family of humanity can use God's gift of science to take the measure of any global challenge and find solutions that are consonant with universal values. But, before we can move forward to reasonably address and sensibly overcome a challenge to human wellbeing and environmental health such as global warming, that challenge needs to be openly acknowledged and widely discussed. I suppose it is a function of my life experience to suggest that we accurately "diagnose" whatever the challenge is before proceeding to implement "treatment" options.
   If great spiritual and scientific leaders are somehow on the right track when realizing, "The Earth has a human-induced fever and could overheat," then at least one available treatment option is to carefully and skillfully examine the extant scientific evidence related to global warming and to make necessary changes in human behavior, both individually and collectively.
   All of the above serves to set the stage for our consideration of a question. How can politicians and economic powerbrokers in the human community be empowered to muster the "political will" necessary for addressing human-driven climate change as well as for providing the substantial economic incentives and financial capital necessary to overcome this potential global threat to life as we know it and the integrity of Earth?
   -- Steven Earl Salmony, Chapel Hill

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   sindark Posted 7:12 am
   13 Jun 2008

   GreenlandWould substantial loss of permafrost threaten the Greenland ice sheet in any way, aside from releasing heaps of methane?
   
   a sibilant intake of breath

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   13 Jun 2008

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    Hmpf Posted 8:05 am
    13 Jun 2008

    ITAC? (Is There a Cabal?)I don't know if I believe in a cabal, exactly. I do believe there are strong forces lobbying for destructive policies, on the higher levels of the political system.
    However, it also seems to me that, short of a genuine revolution - and I think we can't build the necessary groundswell for that kind of thing in the time remaining for the needed changes - the only option we have is to get 'the system' to change course as much as possible while still keeping the system itself. (Believe me, I'd rather lose the system, but, as I said, I don't believe that's doable in the available time.) We can either do this by achieving a massive change of consciousness among the general population, or by achieving the same/a similar kind of change among a smaller group with more direct influence. (Ideally both, of course.)
    Campaigns like the 350 campaign try to do the former - and I think it's a great campaign, make no mistake! But it's hard to reach the entire population, especially since the media, by and large, are not on our side. Also, even if we managed to miraculously create this massive change in consciousness, it would then still have to be taken up by the 'people in power'.
    So, I don't think we should put all our eggs in the 'independent campaigns' basket - we need to make use of all available channels of influencing public consciousness/opinion. Working within parties to spread awareness there seems to me to be one of those channels, and a potentially powerful one:
    Fifty 'private individuals' who are concerned about an issue are just fifty private individuals, or, at best, a grassroots group. They may get some attention on a local level occasionally.
    The same fifty individuals within a party, however, could form a potentially more powerful group that might even get national attention. They could also help to change the party, from the ground level up. The inevitable party inertia notwithstanding, it may be easier to change the thinking of a relatively small group of people, such as a party, than it is to change the thinking of the entire population. And, higher-up politicians are still dependent to some degree on the approval of their parties; they need to get nominated and elected for posts etc. Creating a more 'eco-friendly' political climate on the ground level might help to influence the 'higher-ups'. It would also, probably, confer a higher degree of visibility to environmental concerns in general.
    Of course, all of this only applies if more than a couple of people are willing to try this approach. A certain 'critical mass' is needed for any change...

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