The infamous "hockey stick" graph, which shows the northern hemisphere beginning to rapidly warm around the industrial age, has been backed up by new research. Michael Mann, who helped develop the 1998 graph that climate skeptics love to hate, is the lead author of the new study to be published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. "Ten years ago the estimates for earlier centuries were really primarily reliant on just one sort of information: tree ring measurements," he says. For the new study, researchers perused coral reef skeletons, glaciers, ice sheets, sea-floor sediment, stalagmites, and stalactites. Thus, says Mann, "we now have enough other sources that we can achieve meaningful reconstructions back a thousand years without tree ring data, and we get more or less the same answer" -- that is, that "the current warmth is anomalous."
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Delay And Deny Posted 12:08 pm
02 Sep 2008
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atheo Posted 12:34 pm
02 Sep 2008
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christophersj Posted 2:02 am
03 Sep 2008
Jabailo & Atheo,
I would love to see your alternative samples of sea coral and tree ring data. Oh and while you are at it, how about some alternative ice core samples from the southern hemisphere.
What is your argument here? Are you just trolling? Where is your published paper?
Skepticism is good, and it's true that the edges of global warming science are still being solidified, but cynicism towards a significant body of peer reviewed science, with a political agenda that is anti-carbon tax, and pro fossil fuel (which is what I suspect), is pathetic, small-minded, and harmful to myself and others.
But this is old now. There is a 100% chance anthropogenic carbon will be heavily regulated in the near future and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. At this point, the positive and clear thinking actions of many others completely outweigh and crush your cynical neuroses.
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Boyscientist Posted 2:21 am
03 Sep 2008
They did not ignore the medieval warming period.
"The reconstructed amplitude of change over past centuries is greater than hitherto reported, with somewhat greater Medieval warmth in the Northern Hemisphere, albeit still not reaching recent levels."
The new research (with many more proxies) found no such warm period in the Southern hemisphere.
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Delay And Deny Posted 3:20 am
03 Sep 2008
Yes, that's that question...where is this published paper? And then we can see what data are presented...
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Delay And Deny Posted 3:21 am
03 Sep 2008
"reconstructed amplitude of change"
Gee, isn't that the stuff they throw you out of college for?
It used to be called, "making up the data"...
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Paleocon Posted 4:17 am
03 Sep 2008
But this is old now. There is a 100% chance anthropogenic carbon will be heavily regulated in the near future and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. At this point, the positive and clear thinking actions of many others completely outweigh and crush your cynical neuroses.
You sound like Mugabe gleefully announcing that farms would be taken by "war veterans".
Frightening stuff, but at least you are honest about what this is all about.
Wealth transfer.
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amazingdrx Posted 4:38 am
03 Sep 2008
...that Jews are sub-human."
And that has what?!? To do with the topic at hand? No doubt Fred Thompson's speech all about graphic torture excited you paley, but try to dial your S/M ecstasy down in public. Hehey.
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Paleocon Posted 3:02 am
04 Sep 2008
That is embarrassing.
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amazingdrx Posted 3:43 am
04 Sep 2008
Yep. Not only embarrassing though, considering McBush voted for the bill that prohibits selling alaskan oil to US consumers.
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Paleocon Posted 4:41 am
04 Sep 2008
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/legislative/sap/110-2/saphr ...
Are you talking about something else?
Presidents can't "vote" for Bills. They can "veto" them. Is this a spelling issue? :-) LOL
Dave
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Paleocon Posted 4:45 am
04 Sep 2008
Are we talking about the same bill?
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amazingdrx Posted 4:50 am
04 Sep 2008
Can't find the specific bill, it is from a few years back. It mandated that all alaskan oil go to offshore markets. McBush voted for the exxonmob backed provision.
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Boyscientist Posted 4:51 am
04 Sep 2008
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Paleocon Posted 6:19 am
04 Sep 2008
McCain is a lifelong politician. My vote for McCain is a vote against Obama. Very simple.
Obama represents a virulent strain of class warfare that depends up class envy and spite. These are among the basest of human emotions and people who exploit them disgust me. There is nothing uplifting of hopeful about state sponsored wealth redistribution as a means to acquire power.
When Gore appealed to racists with his Willie Horton ads against Dukakis, I was disgusted. (Back when I the President of the Young Democrats in college.)
The left in this country is blinded by the color of his skin.
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Pangolin Posted 6:46 am
04 Sep 2008
Surprised though you may be, just like all the liberal environmental bloggers said the economy tanked. The economy works on strict energy in/energy out principles and all the silly games we play with digital money don't change that.
Conservation is cheaper than drilling. Cheaper than war and yeilds more net energy for productive purposes. Conservatives have opposed real conservation measures at every turn.
The Olduvai Gorge Theory, absent countermeasures, appears to be right on schedule. Welcome to the die-off. Liberal/Conservative doesn't matter a damn bit to my rice farmer neighbors who can't afford fuel for their tractors.
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christophersj Posted 1:54 pm
04 Sep 2008
I'm not advocating class warfare in any way. There is a 100% chance carbon will be regulated because both presidential candidates claim they will do so to one degree or another. How can this be interpreted as anything other than a plain fact.
Take a deep breath, then read what the actual scientists who study the climate are saying. Then look at the opportunities that can come with our energy transition to renewables. I'm driving through West Texas today and I see a win/win situation: thousands of wind turbines and jobs and profits on every horizon surround me for miles and miles and miles, all the while reducing the potential global warming catastrophe.
The train has left the station.
The egg has been fertilized.
-CJ
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amazingdrx Posted 12:43 am
05 Sep 2008
While the 98% of citizens whose hard work has propelled the economy the super rich have cashed in on are left behind? With bankrupting medical emergencies, failing mortgages (caused by corporate financial manipulation), lost jobs, and soaring energy and food prices.
Who is behind any class warfare if it is in fact happening? I would call it corporate kleptocracy.
Now we are asked to accept the burden of yet another war, with Iran? War for oil, again, based on lies. Even before the other two wars are over.
Republicans get us into huge debt, with crony contracting and industry self (no) regulation, and democrats get us out of it with economic boom. Time for democrats to pay the debts built up from war and crony contracting and financial manipulation, again. Re-regulation to stop the thievery.
Get out of the way and let us revive this economy and save our country once again. The rescue plan to return the manufacturing, job, and tax base is ready to go, as soon as Obama shoulders the responsibility. Getting off the oil addiction, saving the climate, and ending oil wars is a necessary step to recovery.
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Wolverine Posted 5:42 am
05 Sep 2008
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Russ Posted 5:55 am
05 Sep 2008
If I recall correctly, this wasn't a specific bill, but rather during one of the Reps' attempts to give legislative authority for ANWAR drilling, in committee a Dem, I forget who, tried to add a provision that any ANWAR oil has to be sold domestically, but the Reps shot it down.
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