In May of last year, we did a story on Freecycle, the spontaneously organized, voluntary, web-based network devoted to enabling people to give stuff away rather than throw it away.
Then in May of this year, we wrote another story, about Freecycle and its growing pains. On the one hand there was a fight to obtain the trademark to the Freecycle name. On the other hand there was controversy about a $130,000 sponsorship from Waste Management, Inc., the largest garbage company in the U.S.
Well, it appears the former fight has been won and the latter money is being
put to good use.
Today we received a letter from "media relations" at Freecycle:
We are ... making a concerted effort to reach out to all media that have run a story on Freecycle™ in order to educate them as to the appropriate usage of the trademark-protected term "Freecycle." As you can imagine, protecting such name as a small nonprofit is no mean feat.
Don't we know it. Our media relations department is working 20 hour days!
In order to maintain the concept of one which stands solely for the integrity of a nonprofit public commons we must keep the mark from becoming merely descriptive or generic.
Again, here at Grist™, we understand. We too maintain the concept of one which stands solely for the integrity of that which the public commons. Sometimes twice.
Common misuses include adapting the mark as a noun such as the phrase "freecycler." The appropriate usage would be to say "Freecycle member" (note also the use of capitalization of the mark). The first use of the phrase should be followed by a superscript TM. If you use the total organizational name, it is appropriate to add the superscript TM after the entire name: "The Freecycle Network™."
As a grister Grist™ Employee, this speaks to the very
heart of what I hold dear about The Grist™ Family of Media Publications™:
our dedication to the purity and exclusivity of our brand.
Another common mistake is to use the mark as a verb as in "freecycling" or "to freecycle" as opposed to the correct usage: "posting and item to the local Freecycle group."
"Posting and item"? Well, what the heck -- we Grist™
Employees are not going to go around telling you freecyclers Freecycle™
members how to write. What do we know?
Thank you again for your wonderful coverage. You may be interested to know that we will be launching an entirely new Web site in the coming six months which shall be free from Yahoo groups and provide a new and wonderful home to the now 1.5 million Freecycle members in over 50 countries! Stay tuned!
We shall be tuned! Grist can't wait to provide you more free™ coverage as you expand your establishment while staying close -- so close -- to the grassroots™.
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Lisa Hymas Posted 10:29 am
08 Aug 2005
Freecycle(TM) to Berate You and Me
As an enthusiastic freecycler -- oops! I mean Member of My Local Freecycle(TM) Community -- I wondered back in May if Matt Weiser's article in Grist about the network's growing pains wasn't overly critical. Now I'm wondering if it wasn't critical enough.
The Freecycle Network(TM) is now paying a "media relations" officer to badger news outlets about the inappropriateness of using "freecycle" as a verb or other unauthorized part of speech? This is how they're spending the WMI grant? And this is benefiting the environment or Freecycle(TM) Members or anyone how? What a pathetic waste of time and money.
Oh, I'll keep freecycling via the Seattle listserv, because I love the concept and because the Seattle listserv monitors and participants are swell people -- not like the paranoid, grammatically challenged bureaucrats apparently now employed at Corporate HQ.
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Andy Brett Posted 10:44 am
08 Aug 2005
Ha
Well crafted, Dave. The housemates want to know what's so darn funny.
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dreadsword Posted 2:29 pm
08 Aug 2005
Holy Smokes
I need to blot up my tears of mirth with a kleenex(tm). I think I'll print this out and xerox(tm) it for my friends. Maybe I'll mention it in a podcast(tm).
What a strange email to recieve. I mean, as a marketing person, I have to wonder what sort of organization (profit oriented or not!) would resist their name entering the cultural lexicon in a positive way.
http://www.sustainabilityzone.com
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Kristin Posted 12:27 am
09 Aug 2005
Good idea goes commercial
How f*ing ridiculous! The idea behind freecycling (oo, I'm such the rebel, not capitalizing or TM'ing) is great, redistribution of gently used items, to decrease clutter, overbuying in our communities, and assisting those in need, has apparently been left behind in the race for touting one's own importance. Media relations indeed!
When I first read about the idea in a local newspaper, I thought it was great that local chapters were popping up across the country. It makes no sense, however, to micromanage these chapters, nor to irritate those trying to do good, so that they leave, and perhaps worse, stop their charitable acts.
Kristin from sw Indiana
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CM Hersh Posted 8:44 am
10 Aug 2005
I can hardly wait
until they want to start charging for memberships or some other thing. What a bunch of leeches. A good idea, but they just want to create a bureacracy and make a couple of cushy jobs for themselves. WMI must be laughing like hell.
I use craigslist. Less structure, works great.
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Mary980 Posted 2:48 pm
23 Aug 2005
Give me a break Freecylers
When was the last time Mr. B did a count on his membership. Many of the 1.5 million members he is claiming to have are members/owners/mods etc on many groups and are counted on each one. Not to mention the thousands that have left the FCN and are still being counted in his house of falling cards.
Mary
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pmagistro Posted 8:57 am
03 Oct 2005
how could they miss the flaw??
If you ask me, despite their millions of members, they didn't get it quite right. The system is based on several thousand local groups, all exchanging free stuff -within their locale-. Did I miss something here? I thought that the internet was a network without boundaries, a way to reach out beyond your little enclave and get your message (or that used toaster) out to millions. But no, they have a group for Denver, Boulder, Arvada, North Denver...what the h*!! were they thinking? Why limit the system geographically?? I put a toilet on eBay for free and had people asking about shipping across the country. If I wanted to list an item locally - I could quite easily post it on a slip of paper at the library, or local coffee shop. So great idea, but zero points on execution. They've done a great job of removing most of the advantage that the internet has.
And the media relations? Now they've pushed the bounds of ridiculous. Why do you think google is the number one search engine these days? simple interface, sure (you don't have to join a local google group to search for webpages, that's for sure) but no! "Google" has become slang - ever hear of anyone "yahooing" or "lycosing" or "altavistaing" anything? Of course not! But we google everything, and we google all the time. In my not so humble opinion, the makers of Freecycle could hope for nothing less from their concept...if everyone in the country thought, "hmm, why don't I freecycle that old bike rather than trashing it," we would be a bunch of serious freecyclers. All I have left to say about that is "freecycle on, my friends!"
So in light of all that, for now, I think I'll stick to craigslist (obviously geographic limits make sense for apartments - "and how would you like that 1BR 1BA for $450/mo to be shipped? UPS?") and eBay.
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Lisa Hymas Posted 9:24 am
03 Oct 2005
geographic boundaries
Freecycle has local groups because it makes absolutely no sense, environmental or otherwise, to ship a free toilet across the country. The point is to exchange items with ease and relatively little environmental impact, and the best way to do that is to give them to people who live close to you.
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timoey Posted 5:33 pm
23 Jan 2006
Keeping freecycle free..
The "Keep freecycle free" campaign is going well.
For more information please see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcnext/
and
http://greenribbon.us/
Thanks!
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scarbo Posted 10:02 pm
31 Jan 2006
If you're fed up with freecycle...
There's a easier way to go about it which solves much of the dificulty inherent in the Freecycle Network(tm). Have a look at GreenGonzo - www.greengonzo.com. Its new but it offers a great way forward as it has no heirarchy of authority like TFN. Everything is collated within a database, letting you search and post without any hassle.
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Ron Steenblik Posted 7:58 pm
25 Dec 2006
Forget Freecycle: Go to Goodwill
There is a long-standing alternative to FreecycleTM: it is your local Goodwill Industries store. Goodwill operates an on-line auction as well.
My parents rediscovered the Goodwill store in their town several years ago, and started buying many of their clothes from it -- not because they could not afford to buy their clothes new, but out of thrift. They took me to it the next time I visited them, and I was impressed by how well the items on sale were organized, and of course by the bargain-basement prices. I bought several pairs of shorts at $3 a piece, and a fine pair of khaki trousers for $4. Many items of clothing looked brand new, as if they had been given as gifts to the original owners and were the wrong size.
Goodwill's image problem is that many people would feel embarrassed to be seen shopping in one of their stores, or for others to know that what they are wearing had been purchased from them. That is an attitude that needs to change.
Goodwill does a great job facilitating the recycling of clothes, toys, books and furniture, in the process providing employment for thousands of people. And one thing I doubt you will ever see, is Goodwill harassing people for making a verb out of their name.
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Nancy Castleman Posted 6:34 am
30 Jul 2007
Update on the Legal Cases Re: Tfn's Alleged TM
Tim Oey's attorneys have asked the court for a summary judgment against tfn because of what's called "naked licensing." Their motion will be heard on August 23rd.
Below are some excerpts, and the actual legal documents are in the Files secrion on http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcnext/ , for your reading pleasure.
"Courts look to three kinds of evidence to determine if an alleged trademark has been abandoned through naked licensing: whether the
trademark owner (1) retained contractual rights to control quality, (2) actually controlled quality, or (3) reasonably relied on the icensee to maintain quality. ... Here, the facts show, not only a complete absence of quality control, but also an absence of quality standards."
"As an alleged trademark owner with alleged licensees, TFN has an obligation to set quality standards so that greecyclers know that the
freecycling services offered by TFN's approved groups are consistent and predictable. TFN failed to set quality standards for its alleged
licensees. For this reason alone, TFN abandoned its alleged trademarks through naked licensing, and FreecycleSunnyvale is entitled to summary adjudication."
"Once a trademark has been abandoned through naked licensing, that trademark cannot be revived through belated efforts to inspect or supervise the quality of licensee operations."
"FreecycleSunnyvale asks this Court to enter summary adjudication upon the grounds that, because there is no material issue of the fact that The Freecycle Network, Inc., engaged in naked licensing, The Freecycle Network, Inc., abandoned any trademark rights it might have had in the word 'freecycle,' the phrase 'The Freecycle Network,' or a logo containing a stylized version of 'freecycle' and the elements of a guitar and bicycle."
"When permitting others to use its alleged trademarks, TFN (1) did not establish quality standards for its alleged licensees, (2) did not retain any contractual rights to inspect or supervise its alleged licensees, (3) did not engage in quality control of its alleged licensees' operations, and (4) permitted complete strangers to use its alleged trademarks without having any basis to rely on the quality control efforts of these strangers. FreecycleSunnyvale is therefore entitled to summary judgment on its claim for a declaration of non-infringement as well as on TFN's counterclaims, all of which are trademark based."
"Of importance is what did not happen when FreecycleSunnyvale affiliated its online group with TFN and began using TFN's logo. There
were no contracts. There were no discussions of any requirements, restrictions, or conditions on the use of the word 'freecycle' or the phrase 'The Freecycle Network.' At this time, freecycling was a grassroots movement, and neither TFN not Mr. Beal made any effort to control local groups by asserting trademark rights."
There are lots of legal references in the motion and other legal papers, but here are some quotes from a quick Web search:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark "... if a trademark owner does not maintain quality control and adequate supervision in relation to the manufacture and provision of products or services supplied by a licensee, such 'naked licensing' will eventually adversely impact on the owner's rights in the trademark."
http://www.ladas.com/BULLETINS/1995/1195Bulletin/US_Naked ...
"United States Court of Appeals Holds 'Naked' Licensing Results in Abandonment of Trademark Rights. In Stanfield v. Osborne Industries Inc., the Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit held that the plaintiff's licensing of its trademarks to the defendant, without any provision for, or actual exercise of, quality control, constituted an abandonment of the plaintiff's rights in its marks."
Nancy
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Colliewood Posted 4:54 am
14 Feb 2008
Western Suffolk NY Freecycle is a Nightmare....
Freecycle in Western Suffolk NY
Hi, I hate to start with a negative post, but what we have been through with this group has been nothing short of a nightmare.
The moderator bounces you on or off at her will.
If someone wants to know more, I will gladly answer all questions, but just a sample of why I was on a Hit List.....
Dogs and cats do need homes. Often people cannot keep them for whatever reason. But sadly, good hearted people are giving their dogs or cats away on Freecycle. After being in animal rescue for many years, more than I care to say, I wrote the moderator and cautioned her on this practice. The problem is that many bad people like to make an equally bad buck. They come posing as a nice home for the pet (they make a second income scanning sites such as Freecycle.....) adopt it, and head for the nearest lab. They get about 75 dollars per dog, and somewhat less for cats. These people are pros at what they do. They come posing as happy families (I have no idea how the kids cope) and do this bogus "adoption". The family giving the pet away never knows what really happened.
Also, there are unscrupulous posters who want to dump an aggressive pet on the site as well. I work in a pet boutique, and a child came in with 17 stitches from a dog posted on Freecycle! It had to be put to sleep and now the child is traumatized for life.
Well, this is my first post, and don't want to press it unless anyone wants to hear more horror stories, and thank you.
My name is Kathy Baca and it's a pleasure to meet you.
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