Capitalism v. environmentalism: a poll 6

Don Boudreaux, an economist, argues that doing nothing is the best policy for global warming.

As David, biodiversivist, Tim Lambert, and ThinkProgress point out, this argument has a lot of screws loose. (ThinkProgress also has a picture of Boudreaux, who looks slightly insane. He is also, by sheerest chance, with the Cato Institute, which according to a book by two University of Colorado law school scholars, "receives most of its financial support from entrepreneurs, securities and commodities traders, and corporations such as oil and gas companies, Federal Express, and Philip Morris that abhor government regulation.")

Just for a moment, let's ignore the whiff of prostitution. Let's ignore the alarming changes that global warming is expected to bring to climate, and the worsening of drought, floods, forest insect pests, hurricanes, species extinctions, among other aspects of life on earth.

Let's focus instead on the politics of the claim.

Because it's not just Boudreaux saying that we must choose between capitalism and reduced greenhouse gas emissions. Listen to many a prominent speaker on the right on this subject, and before long you will hear some version of the claim that global warming is a plot to "take down capitalism," as a writer for the National Review recently put it.

Rush Limbaugh says it virtually every time he bellows on the topic. (In January of this year, I heard Limbaugh reveal that believers in global warming were not just "anti-capitalists" but "Communists." But I can't prove it, because although he boasts incessantly about his show's success, Limbaugh doesn't offer any sort of transcript without a subscription.)

Conversely, many moderates and even conservatives think capitalism can survive -- with a few changes. The Economist has been calling for a carbon tax for years. Moderates such as Thomas Friedman and conservatives such as Andrew Sullivan have also spoken up for an energy tax. These prominent voices, along with big corporations like GE and investment firms like Goldman Sachs, don't think tackling global warming means an end to capitalism.

In the words of playwright Sherry Kramer, they seem to think: "Greed got us into this mess; greed will get us out."

Complicating matters is the fact that many environmentalists agree with the capitalists that global warming challenges our economic system on a fundamental level.

Bill McKibben argues as much in a column this month in one this nation's most popular magazines, National Geographic:

Environmentalism's method of handling global warming is flawed.

The old paradigm works like this: We judge just about every issue by asking the question, Will this make the economy larger? If the answer is yes, then we embrace whatever is in question --globalization, factory farming, suburban sprawl. In this paradigm, the job of environmentalism is to cure the worst effects, and endless economic growth makes that job easier. If you're rich, you can more easily afford the catalytic converter for the end of the tailpipe that magically scrubs the sky above your city.

But it turns out that, above all else, endless economic growth is built on the use of cheap fossil fuel. The industrial revolution began the day in 1712 that Thomas Newcomen figured out how to use a steam engine to pump water out of a coal mine, so that it could be mined more cheaply and easily, thus allowing more steam engines. Coal, oil, and natural gas were, and are, miraculous -- compact, easily transportable, crammed with Btu, and cheap. Dig a hole in the ground, stick a pipe in the right place, and you get all the energy you could ever need.

Precisely the same fuels that gave us our growth now threaten our civilization. Burn a gallon of gas and you release five pounds of carbon into the atmosphere. And as China demonstrates every day, the cheapest way to spur growth is by burning more fossil fuel. Even Benjamin Friedman, the Harvard economist who wrote a brilliant book last year defending the morality of economic growth, conceded that carbon dioxide is the one major environmental contaminant for which no study has ever found any indication of improvement as living standards rise.

Which means we might need a new idea. We need to stop asking, Will this make the economy larger? Instead, we need to start asking, Will this pour more carbon into the atmosphere?

But would a carbon tax, the most obvious such "new idea," end capitalism? Probably not. And what about using the power of technology to save the world, as Al Gore is advocating?

The point is that despite big claims from both sides, this is a big question with remarkably little consensus, not just between environmentalists and capitalists, but within those alignments.

The enviros -- roughly speaking -- divide between those who think capitalism can change and those who doubt it will (such as James Howard Kunstler, who offers the geopolitical version of a Hunter S. Thompson rant).

The capitalists -- roughly speaking -- divide between those who think capitalism can adjust to global warming and advocate some form of carbon tax, and far-right Bush administration and National Review types who look for any and all reasons, even farcical ones, to ignore our changing climate.

So, we're curious: what you think?

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  1. David Roberts's avatar

    David Roberts Posted 8:13 am
    17 Aug 2006

    I voted for the carbon tax,but it's worth noting that "carbon tax" and "what Al Gore says" are not incompatible. As reported by our very own Amanda, Gore himself called for just that:He also called for a radical overhaul of the American tax system: "We should sharply reduce payroll taxes and make it all up in CO2 taxes so the low- and middle-income people don't bear the cost burden of this big transition in energy sources."

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    sunflower Posted 8:55 am
    17 Aug 2006

    Pour moi aussiThe US per capita carbon burning is 5000 pounds per year, including all products consumption.  At $0.30/lb that is $1500 total for everything including $1.50 per gallon of gasoline and $600 per ton coal.  
    If revenue-neutral that will stimulate investment and capitalism, and send clear market signals.  I also favor diverting military spending to universities for carbon-neutral energy research and development.

    Don't carpool alone.
  3. athodyd2 Posted 12:45 pm
    17 Aug 2006

    It IS hopeless.Such was my vote, and I'd like to say it was not made idly or in jest. I hear it rarely on the news, but it is my belief that our destruction of the environment is profound and life as we know it will undergo major and painful changes. And even those words are not enough.
    It is my belief that there will, at the least, be a major reduction in human populations. These reductions not only from rising sea levels and natural events, but also from the political, international confrontations that will occur as the various countries begin to realize more tangibly what we're in for. My sense is that media and most conversations cannot directly confront what's in store; they would be called alarmist or worse. I expect a "die-off" of a significant number of humans, to say nothing of the other life forms we've already diminished or removed. But it cannot be talked about.
    Finally, here, I will say that my attitude, feelings, about this matter are of guilt in being a present-time representative of the species that has brought such ruin, and sadness at the breadth of thriving life, greenery, and all else that we have put in jeopardy. Has "intelligent life" ended life as we know it? I believe so.
    Jim Wells

    Marina del Wilmington, CA, US
  4. bookerly Posted 1:03 pm
    17 Aug 2006

    Bad choices

       The idea of ending payroll taxes and replacing them with a carbon tax has a major flaw.
       Low income people generally don't pay payroll taxes (except social security).  So, they won't benefit from and "end" to such taxes.  But they will be screwed royally by the carbon tax proposals that are floating around.
       Another problem is that it is not clear how this would affect multinationals.  Who is going to measure the carbon produced by clothing manufacturing in Bangladesh, China and India, and how will that be charged?
       Or is this another case of American Imperialism?  (We won't sign global treaties, but we will impose our taxes ideas on others without discussion or consent.)
       So, I didn't vote.
       Here's my vote.  In the US, the government put a luxury tax of say, 3000% on big cars (an annual tax), and invest the money in mass transit.  Give apartment dwellers who live in cities major tax credits.  Tax the hell out of McMansions, and also tax suburban sprawl areas.  Spend money on higher denser housing and social services in urban areas.  Kill the Pentagon (not literally).  Use that money to support the roll out of solar and wind power nationwide.  Give big bucks to developing countries so they can use solar and wind.  (GIVE).
       That should do for a start.
    patrick
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    sunflower Posted 3:24 pm
    17 Aug 2006

    IncentivesPatrick,
    I agree, taxing the energy content of products would be difficult to manage with imports and probably a WTO trade violation.  However, domestic gasoline and coal power taxes are very important incentives to reduce and displace carbon energy consumption.
    There is nothing to discriminate between the economic classes for gasoline taxes, and that is as it should be.  Helping the poor with home energy bills should continue as before.  
    Taxing carbon is a very important tool.  It will not infringe on the freedom to make choices.  Carbon taxes will also encourage investments in carbon-neutral alternatives.  
  6. rh Posted 2:10 am
    18 Aug 2006

    Carbon tax & Mr. GoreI'm with Dave - I think the way to go is some of both. Doing it right would mean the right level of rebates to the lower- and middle-classes coupled with an excellent sound bite that describes how this improves their lives.
    What concerns me is that in the current political environment (yes, the one we actually have today as opposed to the one many posters here would like us to have) I see no way that Congress could actually develop a smart new tax. Yes, the carbon tax is very rational and makes sense from a lot of perspectives and offers lots of flexibility, but the reality is that it's going to get completely twisted by the usual suspects to be something "those tax-raisin' liberals" are doing and Rove would use it to plow over anyone to the left of moderate Republican.
    And if you need some "proof" of the current Congress' lawmaking skill, look no futher than the energy bill that was signed into law just before Katrina hit.
    But, I guess the important thing is that Gore is beginning this dialogue at a higher level than it has been in the past, so that's a step toward making this a higher priority.
    rh

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