One month’s worth of data laughable as proof of global cooling 13

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   LGT Posted 7:11 pm
   14 Apr 2008

   Old news for some of us . . .J-Romm wrote:
   
   This leading NASA scientist was himself stunned by the "temperature derivative"
   this is old news for some of us ...
   http://feww.wordpress.com/2007/10/15/only-zero-emissions- ...
   The best [and the only intelligent] course of action on global and national levels would be an immediate "powerdown" to the "safe" energy consumption levels of about 60EJ, while allocating most of the resources to creating low-energy communities that provide food, shelter, education and safety for as many people as possible.

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   LGT Posted 7:19 pm
   14 Apr 2008

   In case anyone missed this . . .How safe is your city [your country, or indeed your planet?]
   http://edro.wordpress.com/collapsing-cities/

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   amazingdrx Posted 10:17 pm
   14 Apr 2008

   Frightening LGTBut even more frightening is the mass ignorance of the facts.  Mass delusionbal media is doing it's job too well.  Those Mayan cities where everyone suddenly dissappeared or the population of ancient Rome suddenly going from millions to thousands after destruction of the aqueducts.  These are the forgotten warnings.
   What about the Gulf Stream conveyor?  Could the halt of the flow cause reflective cooling from less snow melt in northern regions?  Is there a chance the double exponential effect could be tempered with this sort of event?
   Right now human welfare is secondary, since humans caused this.  Crop and food disruption could really sound a warning that government can't ignore.  With food riots already in progress from ethanol farming (commodity grain prices tripled), this seems to be another counter exponential effect.
   There is not much that be called actual civilization left, measuring the state of present corporate culture and governance.
   All we have is our circle of family and friends and what is left of the natural world.  The mass culture is on a continual hair trigger for massive disruption and collapse.
   Liberty asociated with traditional human rights has already been completely undermined by the corporatist reaction to terrorism.  Official state kidnapping, torture, and murder are accepted as a matter of course.
   We are in a world of hurt, about to become a world of chaos.  Maybe Jim Kuntsler is right?  
   My feeling is that the catastrophic return of a new ice age can protect pockets of civilization isolated in interior areas like the northern midwest.  But then disease wafting in on the air from the great conflagration could even wipe out these outposts.
   Is our future history already written?  We died off because humans couldn't "get the math" of exponential change?  
   
   http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

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   Pangolin Posted 1:05 am
   15 Apr 2008

   Not true, not trueWhy, just this morning NPR had a 15 year old girl with a website who says that she can refute all your climate change froo-fraw.
   Teenage Skeptic Takes on Climate Scientists and single-handedly debunks all you doomers. Anyway she's easier to understand than all that thick-headed science that gets spouted around here. That's why she got a fat chunk of national news time. She's been posting for just over a year now and is in big with Anthony Watts.
   We should all contact NPR and thank them for pointing out that we wuz all wrong.
   tags:sarcasm
   
   Put the Carbon Back

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   LGT Posted 1:11 am
   15 Apr 2008

   We died off because ...Sickeningly Sad  amazingdrx
   Is our future history already written?  We died off because humans couldn't "get the math" of exponential change?
   "Yes!" That's the answer they gave me! For most of us, AAR, the future history is already written.
   We died off not due to of our inability to "get the math" changed, but because, and I totally agree with most of what my blogger friends say, somewhere along the way we mutated into "energy dinosaurs."
   Haven't yet managed starting up my own blog, but will visit yours http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog
   
   

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   JMG Posted 1:28 am
   15 Apr 2008

   TainterI just started Joseph Tainter's book, "The Collapse of Complex Societies," where collapse is defined as a reduction in an established level of complexity.  I think that we may well be heading that way.
   http://www.powells.com/biblio?PID=26593&cgi=product&a ...
   Paul Krugman's blog at NYT website today has a post on peak oil going straight from ridicule to conventional wisdom (without the DFHs who talked about it ever getting any credit either way ... kinda like Iraq, only those who were disastrously wrong about the invasion are worth listening to ...)
   
   Save your community: Cut greenhouse gas emissions 5% per year.

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   Delay And Deny Posted 1:35 am
   15 Apr 2008

   The Bailo Model Vindicated
   
   The Bailo Model has always called for more warming (and less hurricanes).
   So far, the Bailo Model is the most accurate.
   
   
   
   Possibly the best Alternative Energy blog I read: New Energy and Fuel

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   amazingdrx Posted 1:43 am
   15 Apr 2008

   It's peak GHGNot peak oil.  Kuntsler is only right about the decomplication.  The disintegration of mass production and mass transportation?  
   It will continue on a distributed level, hehey.
   Is very sophisticated small scale production anymore expensive than centralized mass production?  Not with ubiquitos information mobility.  Feed the file to the robot, it makes the part.
   
   http://amazngdrx.blogharbor.com/blog

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   cleangreenone Posted 4:33 am
   15 Apr 2008

   very witty!Great post, and thanks for all of the links to relevant articles and related content.
   One quick comment regarding you "Our Changing Weather" paragraph, though. You point to an article that was posted on Gristmill about climate deniers/delayers being given too much media limelight. Then, point to Roger Pielke Jr's "geek-talk" and "Update on Falsification of Climate Predictions" article. Sounded alarming! When I did go to that article, I found the following statement by Mr. Pielke:
   "None of this discussion means that the basic conclusion that greenhouse gases affect the climate system is wrong, or that action to mitigate emissions do not make sense. What it does mean is that we should be concerned about the overselling of climate predictions and the corresponding risks to public credibility and advocacy built upon these predictions."
   The article also highlighted climate variability -- and weather vs. climate. Seems that this post actually makes the same point you do, not a different one -- perhaps just not as blatant and sexy or gripping in its writing.
   Seems a little misguiding to say this person is nay-saying global warming.

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    ecofan Posted 4:44 am
    15 Apr 2008

    I'm just a little confused...Someone please help me out here.  While I can understand that the previous decades temperatures are higher than before ( we've been more or less continuously warming since emerging from the so-called "little ice age"), what I don't understand is why the HadCURt3 data is showing a decadal cooling of 0.4 degrees Centigrade cooling at present.
    link to chart
    I'm also wondering why the GISS data has been steadily revised to creep upward, when the current dataset is not in agreement with the latest AQUA satellite data - presumed to be the best empirical evidence in our locker at present.  and last, I'm wondering who this "leading scientist" is.
    Your assistance in sorting this out is appreciated..  

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    GreyFlcn Posted 5:50 am
    15 Apr 2008

    WellThe Aqua satellite "expert" is likely refering to Roy Spencer.
    (i.e. The guy who used to say that the troposphere was cooling, then it was found out his math was flipped in reverse, either by mistake or on purpose.)
    Would be interesting to see some commentary on Spencer et al. 2007.

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    erogla Posted 10:52 pm
    16 Apr 2008

    We're Doomed!!Check this out!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SuHg0NFTTM

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    retroproxy Posted 6:07 am
    06 Dec 2008

    2008 0.14C below averageRomm's story is silly now that 2008 turned out to be 0.14C below the average temperature for 2001-07 according to the Met Office's Hadley Centre. So, the global cooling trend continues. For the record, that's no net warming since 1998, and 1998 was one of the warmest on record only because of the monster El Nino that year. CO2-induced global warming doesn't exist. Climate is driven by natural cycles, and man's CO2 emissions haven't, can't, and won't drive catastrophic climate changes.

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