Blair says nuclear, Bush says nukuler

The Brits need power, quick 4

Blair is discussing the possibility of building more nuclear power plants. Some of the U.K.'s older plants will be going offline in the next decade or so and according to CarbonFree (a company betting on renewable energy schemes):

November was a bad month in the UK for advocates of power generated from renewable sources. There was a seven-day cold period during which temperatures hovered around zero; a lack of wind becalmed wind turbines and fog blinded solar panels. Panic over bird flu was replaced by concerns that gas producers in the rest of the EU were reluctant to pump natural gas into a pipe under the North Sea that supplies power stations and homes in the UK. Rumours circulated that this winter will see rolling power cuts, firms shutting down and old people shivering around candles.
Their concluding line however, had the opposite effect on me than intended:

"A perfect time for the government to announce that nuclear power is back on the agenda."

Call me a skeptic, but after reading that paragraph I can see why nuclear might be put back on the agenda. Is Blair posturing or, now that more performance data is showing up, is he changing his mind based on new information? One thing is for sure, this guy is capable of making wrong decisions. But what if renewable-power advocates really cannot meet Britain's needs in time, if ever? Is Blair having second thoughts on renewables, having first supported them, now hoping to avert a looming energy disaster should predicted performance continue to fall short, or is it all a clever ruse to blah, blah, blah? A risk analysis might favor nuclear against the possibility of coming up short on renewable energy, assuming that coal is not an option.

This article by the CarbonFree Company is an excellent example of the problem. You cannot sell a concept while at the same time admitting there is a chance it might not work. They tell us that solar panels in sunny parts of the world will electrolyze salt water, producing hydrogen, which will in turn be shipped to Britain in gas lines. Homes and small companies will also generate power and it will all be shared on a kind of gas pipeline power grid. Throw in a couple of analogies to the Internet and you have a ... "neat concept ... probably two decades away."

Wait a minute, I thought the hydrogen economy was just a cruel hoax. The wind, solar, and wave guys would all paint equally positive pictures of their pet projects. But seriously, what if they continue to come up short? How long would it take, and how much would it cost? If it takes too many wind turbines, then the interest on the loans taken out to build them plus the cost to maintain them may make the power produced by them prohibitively expensive. Consumers who can't afford it will go without, and that will be the start of an economic and quality of life downturn, just the thing we are all hoping to avoid. Can't happen? Are the risks associated with nuclear greater than those associated with coming up short?

The British are between a rock and a hard spot. They are about to lose power generation and thanks to global warming, coal is not an option, leaving only nuclear or renewables to fill the gap. If they wait too long and renewables can't fill the gap, they are screwed.

Just to stir controversy, might I suggest that a couple of nuclear power plants might be what they need, if for nothing else but to buy time? They might be viewed as a kind of insurance policy on the off-chance that renewables don't meet expectations.

My real name is Russ Finley. I live in Seattle, married with children. Suffice it to say that although I am trained and educated as an engineer, my passion is nature. I very much want my grandchildren to live on a planet where lions, tigers, and bears have not joined the long and growing list of creatures that used to be. In an attempt to minimize the workload on Grist editors responsible for turning my submissions into intelligible articles, I will also be posting on a seperate blog called Biodiversivist, which will contain articles in addition to those submitted to Grist.

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  1. cian Posted 8:21 pm
    02 Dec 2005

    not convincedNuclear power in the UK has been a disaster. Hugely expensive, dangerous and poorly run. Many of the reasons for this are due to huge amounts of secrecy, poor management and a management culture that prefers to spin problems away rather than deal with them. We are told that this time things will be different, but given that the same players are involved I find this extremely difficult to believe.
    Ignoring the problems with Blair (untrustworthy and a shiny eyed believer in the power of the market/industry/business), this is currently a huge distration in this country which ignores such basic facts as:

    We have had a boom in European flights, due to extraordinarily cheap flights ($40 for Rome to London, anyone?). The government are trying to extend our airports

    We have one of the worst records for conservation of energy in the first world. Our houses are poorly insulated, etc, etc. Similarly commercial buildings. The government has ignored calls for them to subsidise this, which would do more for carbon reduction than all the shiny nuclear power stations in the world

    We fly food in from the other side of the world THAT WE GROW HERE. I mean apples for godssakes. We fly in apples from New Zealand. Madness.

    The government are trying to build more roads, and have been pretty stingy (despite promising to do lots) about investing in public transport.
    As for nuclear. well Electricity generation is a small part of our carbon production. Its not that carbon neutral (1/3 of gas). It also would take about 20 years before the power station came on line. Nulcear power stations are also lousy as back up power, unlike gas. So they don't solve the problem mentioned on that website.
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    Biodiversivist Posted 1:10 am
    04 Dec 2005

    I'm not convinced eitherI've concluded that without viable breeder reactors that produce more fuel than they consume (and little waste), existing nuclear technology is just not a long-term solution. Aside from the unresolved waste issues, we are nearing peak uranium.
    However, they may be a short term solution when compared to coal if gas supplies run short, conservation efforts prove inadequate, and renewables do not come up to speed in time.
    Hey, anything would be better than buying some of the dirt cheap excess electricity being generated by France's (almost) CO2 free reactors (that's a tongue in cheek barb aimed at you sons of a silly person).
    The truth is that we don't have the answers yet. We are working the problem though. I just hope we can also find ways to save our biodiversity while we're at it.



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  3. cian Posted 7:35 pm
    04 Dec 2005

    trouble isNuclear isn't a short term solution, as it takes about 20 years for a new power station to come online. At best its a long term solution, but one unfortunately which doesn't really provide the right kind of backup to renewables. I think it takes about 2 days for a nuclear power station to be switched on, or off - in contrast to gas which takes 20 minutes (and which is therefore perfect for handling peak demand). So in practice nuclear power stations remain on - and must either generate all our electricity, or we still have the problems mentioned on the website above (you can't suddenly switch on a nuclear power station if your wind turbines are becalmed). Nuclear in Britain tends to be a solution seeking a problem.
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    Biodiversivist Posted 1:19 am
    08 Dec 2005

    Agreed, good answers. Some more thoughts:So, you are saying replace the old nuclear plants with new gas plants. I get it. Does not sound cheap though. A power plant that just sits there waiting to be used must be expensive. You actually need two seperate power systems? That is like building two gas plants and having one sit idle just in case you need it, not even paying for itself.
    Also, Since France can build nuclear plants much faster couldn't Britain tap their expertise and build them even faster? Resistance to the idea might decrease should significant winter power shortages materialize, creating a national emergency of sorts.
    What if your gas supplies become tenuous? Can you stockpile gas, assuming Britain will tap out its own gas fields before long? Too many eggs in one basket may be asking for trouble.



    In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com

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