Bill McKibben: How close to catastrophe?
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Bart Anderson Posted 10:13 am
22 Oct 2006
I'd be interested to hear his (or Grist's) take on George Monbiot's new book, Heat, which demonstrates how an industrial economy like the UK could reduce its greenhouse gas emissions by 90% in by 2030. (About the book)
-BA
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caniscandida Posted 3:27 pm
22 Oct 2006
The prediction of "the great wave" really unnerves me. Not only because of the dimension of the destructiveness that we are looking in the face, but also because those with foresight are cursed with the curse of Cassandra: they see the disaster that is coming, but no one believes them.
In a rather different way, this is a pretty terrifying sentence:
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WorldChanging can tell you whom to text-message from your phone in order to advocate for international debt relief, and how to build an iPod speaker from an old tin of Altoids mints.
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Why don't I just say good-bye to Little Dog, and dig a hole behind a tree, and crawl into it, and die.
Chickens are our cousins!
So are other sensitive animals!
Enough is enough!
No more factory farms!
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dobermanmacleod Posted 5:31 pm
22 Oct 2006
Second, when creating GCMs, scientist edit their predictions. If a GCM predicts unconventional or unexpected results, it is changed to reflect consensual predictions. In other words, a GCM predicting abrupt climate change would never get out of the lab without being altered.
Third, it is remarkably difficult to integrate different components. Glaciers melting, deforestation, desertification, permafrost melting, marine life dying: all have to be integrated in such a way that they interaction. Separately, they might behave in a linear fashion, but when they interact their behavior should be enhanced ("the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts").
Finally, it is near impossible to accurately model feedback loops, which amplify change. When a microphone is held close to a speaker, it starts to feed the speaker output into the microphone which feeds it out the speaker, setting in motion a feedback loop, which rapidly escalates.
For instance, the melting of Arctic snow uncovers earth, which soaks up the heat of the sun better. As the permafrost melts, it emits carbon dioxide and methane which blankets the land in a heat reflecting blanket. The more it melts, the worse the global warming, the more it melts. Until recently, melting permafrost has been ignored by GCMs because it was hard to model mathematically.
Judging by past GCM predictions, evaluated by observed melting, GCMs are way to conservative in their predictions. As warming accelerates, the gap between GCM predictions, and actual warming will widen. Finally, when forced past a tipping point, our climate will abruptly change from the stable state of the past 10,000 years (the Holocene, which has made high technology societies possible) to a more hot dry climate that has resulted in mass extinctions many times in the past-just like Dr Lovelock predicts.
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dobermanmacleod Posted 6:27 pm
22 Oct 2006
It is estimated that by 2030, nature will only be able to soak up 2.7 billion tons of mankind's CO2. Furthermore, with business-as-usual mankind is expected to double their CO2 emissions to 16 billion tons.
With a growing population, and growing per capita CO2 emissions, it is unreasonable to expect mankind to dramatically lower their CO2 emissions rapidly. Furthermore, the warming earth can be expected emit more greenhouse gases, and soak up less (i.e. carbon sinks will become carbon emitters).
Therefore, the only solution is to improve nature's ability to soak up CO2. I suggest seeding a genetically modified organism into the ocean. We need that CO2 removed from the air ASAP. Adaptation to runaway global warming is absurd. Mitigation of runaway global warming is a false hope. The only solution is to remove the CO2 from the air after it has been emitted.
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Biodiversivist Posted 2:45 am
23 Oct 2006
In the end, it all comes down to biodiversity. Help acquire and protect ecological hotspots, give to a conservation organization: http://www.saveourbiodiversity.com
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sunflower Posted 4:34 am
23 Oct 2006
As an apolitical environmentalist, I believe our political system is structured on corruption and will not protect people nor the environment.
As a global warming activist I could advocate Earth-friendly action as an environmental opportunity, albeit dishonest, bordering on environmental corruption. I will not use global warming mitigation to further environmental interests, political interests, economic interests. (Resisting personal corruption is not easy.)
As a researcher of energy I know the lies. The energy around us is loaded with carbon-neutral energy - energy that costs less than fossil fuels.
Humanity can flourish here, China, India, everywhere, with the economics of new energy. Never ever believe we need to use fossil carbon or not use energy. That is a false premise. Our automobiles, factories, homes, schools, and civilizations do not need fossil fuels for energy.
Staying the course is a failure of imagination.
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schreinervideo Posted 6:31 am
23 Oct 2006
Internet video will save the world!
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SMLowry Posted 10:58 am
23 Oct 2006
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Jason D Scorse Posted 12:07 pm
23 Oct 2006
J.S.
J.S. teaches economics and blogs at http://www.voicesofreason.info.
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Jason D Scorse Posted 12:44 pm
23 Oct 2006
I absolutely agree that the private sector alone is not sufficient to address global warming if the worst-case scenarios are true- the climate is a global public good that will be unprotected in the free market no matter how enlightened the private sector
I am curious how high a carbon tax would need to be to decrease CO2 emissions by the levels required to prevent possible worse-case scenarios- something tells me that it would need to be extremely high given the inelasticity of demand for energy- politically that is so tough that I don't believe it's possible but I might be wrong
J.S.
J.S. teaches economics and blogs at http://www.voicesofreason.info.
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ffletcher Posted 2:56 pm
23 Oct 2006
Assuming that we implement a tax right away before any alternative generating capacity can be built and utilities can pass the carbon tax to its customers.
A carbon tax of $100 a ton would add 4 cents to a KWh, or $40 to the typical residential bill and generate on the order of 100 billion in tax revenue.
At $100 a ton coal is still cheaper than burning natural gas at $8/dth or oil at 2.00 a gallon. Just to get the utility to fuel switch would require a carbon tax north of $200 a ton and drives rates up by over a 100% in those states that use a lot of coal. Generally that part of the US east of the Rockies and south of New England.
Would it be better to let price set the point where coal is shut down or would it be better to ration the output from coal to certain classes of useres? Or just give the poor people access to electricity at the old rate?
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JMG Posted 12:49 am
24 Oct 2006
Also, methane has half the CO2 output of coal, so a carbon tax that is actually a carbon tax (i.e., not just a tax on coal) will be raising the price of the main alternative fossil fuel (for electricity, anyway) as well.
Moreover, there is peril in driving utilities off coal and onto natural gas (or, worse, back onto oil). Natural gas has already peaked and gone into a sharp decline in North America; thank goodness for the warmer winter last year (and hope for another this year -- or else we will see people really being bankrupted by their heating bills). How many LNG terminals do you want operating--and is it really a good deal to replace dependence on Saudi oil with dependence on Saudi oil + LNG from Qatar?
What has to happen is that the carbon tax has to be set high enough to generate the huge river of money that will be needed to subsidize the poor so that they can survive while we rebuild our infrastructure for conservation and efficiency (i.e., the exact opposite of what we have cared about for the last 100 yrs).
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apsmith Posted 2:16 am
24 Oct 2006
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JMG Posted 5:14 am
24 Oct 2006
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schreinervideo Posted 12:53 pm
24 Oct 2006
Internet video will save the world!
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