Are scientists losing the global warming debate?

Delayers are replacing deniers 9

There's been some hand wringing about the fact that science does not have the traction it should in the political debate over climate change.

This is the genesis of the framing argument, most recently pushed by Chris Mooney and Matt Nisbet. Basically, this thesis says that scientists need to put their scientific results into a "frame" that allows the general public to better understand how to interpret their results.

I've never particularly liked "framing," and here's one reason: I think that the scientific community has been extremely effective at getting the word out about climate change.

Look at this article:

While many conservative commentators and editorialists have mocked concerns about climate change, a different reality is emerging among Republican presidential contenders. It is a near-unanimous recognition among the leaders of the threat posed by global warming.

More evidence can be found in Lomborg's book, Cool It. He basically accepts the scientific consensus, although he conveniently ignores important aspects.

The Bush administration also now accepts the scientific consensus.

Not everyone is a believer, of course. But for people who need to be taken seriously by the general public (as opposed to a specialized constituency), saying climate change doesn't exist or isn't caused by humans is the equivalent of saying the Earth is flat.

The Republican candidates, Lomborg, the Bush administration, and environmental groups differ on what to do about climate change, but this is not a disagreement over science. Science can answer questions about the way the world is, but tells us little about what we should do about it. Questions about what we should be doing are as much value-based as science-based.

The climate debate has now entered a much more value-based period, trying to answer the question: what should we be doing about it? Into this debate we see the emergence of climate delayers to replace the rapidly disappearing climate deniers.

Once again, science has won.

Andrew Dessler is an associate professor in the Department of Atmospheric Sciences at Texas A&M University; his research focuses on the physics of climate change, climate feedbacks in particular.

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  1. egbooth Posted 3:26 am
    19 Oct 2007

    I'm skeptical (of claiming victory)A Yale poll taken last July revealed that 40% of people still think there is disagreement in the scientific community whether or not global warming is even occurring! That's just whether or not it's happening...not even getting into the causality question. I think there is still a long way to go in the world of public opinion.
    Also, I think the stance of the Republican candidates on climate change is very shaky. All it takes is one of them to say something about Martian global warming at a debate (e.g. Fred Thompson) and then all of a sudden everyone's position turns to "Well...we just don't know enough about what's causing global warming."
  2. blueberrysushi Posted 5:39 am
    19 Oct 2007

    Science may lose because ...No matter how many scientists explain their findings on global warming, there will be a handful of scientists to dispute them. All of us, scientists included, operate in a market system, and there is demand for conflicting theories, if only to maintain the illusion of some debate.
    Of course, there are those who will always maintain that we "just don't know enough" regardless of how much we know. We could have perfect, 100% consensus on global warming and political change wouldn't necessarily follow.
    As long as our market system relies on fictions about the perpetual supply of resources or our magical ability to replace resources with labor, or that conveniently dismiss market inefficiencies (externalities) as simple exceptions, we will continue to have every rational, logical reason to wreck our planet.
    Scientists can't change this, no matter how articulate they get and no matter how wonderful their spokespeople are. Science loses when political and economic forces trump it. That the crazies are using "science" to debate climate change just shows that they can dismiss anything, with enough incentive.
     
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    Anna Haynes Posted 5:40 am
    19 Oct 2007

    I'm skeptical too, based on recent experienceTry collecting signatures to draft Al Gore in a red county - you'll find enormous ignorance about climate change among faux news watchers.
    Needed: a brochure/flier saying "global warming is real and the scientific consensus that we're causing it is overwhelming; here are the groups who've made statements to that effect and why; here's who's trying to deny it and who's backing them and why, here's a simple URL for a website with links to back up this info", that we 'science missionaries' can hand out when needed.
    I've been looking for a PDF online that I could print out, that covers this; I can't find one.  Any ideas?

    (I'll create one if I have to, but I'm no graphic artist)
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    Kit Stolz Posted 7:56 am
    19 Oct 2007

    yes, but...I agree. Maybe I'm dense, but I'm still not sure exactly what framing is.
    Mooney and Nisbet say it's not spin, or theatre. Though examples elude my memory, I think they suggest that the precision of framing, like the precision of science, leads ineluctably to the correct result.  
    At the Congressional hearings on global warming this spring, Chris Mooney praised the testimony of Kevin Trenberth particularly, among the four senior scientists who testified.
    Though Trenberth was not the only effective witness, I think most of us would agree that he spoke as well as anyone about the risks of climate change, including desertification.
    Interestingly, at this hearing Trenberth also spoke of the planet as "running a fever."
    Has anyone ever found a better metaphor for heating we have brought to the planet?
    Does not this metaphor quietly but firmly, like a doctor, demand immediately action?
    Yes and yes, as far as I can tell.
    I recall Gore using the same idea in "An Inconvenient Truth" -- who knows where the concept originated. But it's a good one.
    Here's my point: If indeed "a fever" is good framing for our scientific understanding of global warming, even from the perspective of a advocate of theory,  that Trenberth may have excelled yet again, in framing as well as science, before Congress and the nation, and yet still be unable to so much as twitch the needle of the public debate.
    Framing may be a good thing, it may be necessary in fact, and it may be all we can fairly ask of our scientists, but it's not sufficient.
    Framing might be helpful to some within the scientific community, but it's not a solution to the larger problem for the rest of us.
    For the vast majority, indeed in some respects including those in the scientific community, framing is not an answer.
    But that insufficiency is also why I'm not crazy about the poll.
    Yes, the facts of global warming are winning out in the public mind, as they inevitably will, as the heating-up of the planet becomes ever more obvious.
    But what if the facts convince us, but we still fail to avoid a terrible self-inflicted wound?
    How many more such "wins" can we stand?
    The doctor observing a child's fever takes no pleasure in being right; he wants to bring it down.
    Now. Immediately. Which is what we're not doing.    
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    Jon Rynn Posted 8:13 am
    19 Oct 2007

    Anna Haynes --I don't know if this will help, but the best place to go to counter denier arguments is Grist's own How to talk to a climate skeptic
  6. odograph Posted 8:39 am
    19 Oct 2007

    the last 10 years ...I think Mooney and Nisbet were reacting to the history of the GW debate (5 years? 10? 20?).  It's all well and good to say, "look, we finally got those acknowledgments in 2007!" ... but should we have gotten them earlier?
    Or was there something about the way the science was presented that slowed things down (and allowed effective counter-marketing)?
    Personally I don't think it's bad that the science seems to be breaking through, but I'd be open to 'more effective communication' in the future.
    You know, something that would knock 5 years off the cycle.
  7. Dan Johnson Posted 1:57 am
    20 Oct 2007

    speaking non-science as science, to the powerfulI agree that scientists (actual ones) have been effective in getting the word out.  But even a very unscientific argument will impress some influential audiences, even now.   This minor case noted in the Gristmill here more than a year ago has ended, but the central character involved continues to speak to audiences such as the US House Subcommittee on Climate Change.   Earlier this year he gave them a lesson that even junior geography and climate students know are nonsense, noting that the Milankovitch effect is "not included in most of our textbooks across North America today"...  "The explanation for that melting is primarily given by these factors, which is called the Milankovitch effect, and interestingly enough, this is not included in most of our textbooks across North America today, I've checked them out."Apparently he hasn't opened many textbooks, although he may have "checked them out", but the Senate committee may not realize this. He also told the Senate Committee that the pull of Jupiter is the main force behind this secret effect.The US Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works (minority page) news called this man a "Prominent scientist", (and actually gave the Canada Free Press as a source - have you read this one?), despite Ball's standing in the scientific community of approximately zero, according to scientists but also according to documented sources such as the Statement of The Calgary Herald here:Ball lawsuit - court documents and statements(I have not posted these documents, but they are public documents, and this seems to be a permanent webpage.)Granted, the US Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works (minority page) news might not seem entirely credible to some readers, given that the next article is "Spitting outside has ‘same effect’ as doubling CO2", but such invitations still seem to lend legitimacy.  Background and updates (given here only as general information available from other sources on the web):Ball Abandons SuitFriends of Science Forgotten But Not DeadBall Balks at Climate Change BetMr. Cool. Nurturing doubt about climate change is big business - Globe and Mail articleBall article: I was the first Canadian Ph.D. in Climatology ... Doctor of Science... for 32 years I was a Professor of Climatology etc.Ball statement: I was a geography Professor for eight yearsFriends of ScienceDrBall website  







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  8. Dan Johnson Posted 2:21 am
    20 Oct 2007

    oops
    Apologies for typos.  Bad eyes.  
    "Earlier this year he gave them a lesson that even junior geography and climate students know "is" nonsense,..."







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  9. inel Posted 4:28 am
    21 Oct 2007

    Official IPCC flyerIs this 4-page PDF from the IPCC on AR4 the kind of brochure that would help you?
    P.S.  I also have a simple page I made myself for kids to help them appreciate the significance of the IPCC and key points from WG1 SPM.  You can see it on my blog here and tell me if you would like a PDF.  (I can change it from A4 to US format for you.)

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