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   Delay And Deny Posted 2:48 am
   16 Oct 2008

   Folly of "Batteries"
   
   Battery powered cars are a joke.  Batteries are not a fuel, they are a storage medium.
   Hydrogen Highways are being built worldwide.
   Fuel cell cars have ranges that make battery cars seem puny.
   The US produces enough hydrogen to power 110 million fuel cell vehicles -- Right Now!

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   drocto Posted 3:42 am
   16 Oct 2008

   Folly of Hydrogenjabailo,
   Hydrogen is not a fuel source, it's an energy storage medium.
   Fuel --> Transformation 1 --> Distribution --> Transformation 2
   For example, for solar:
   
   Fuel = sunlight
   
   Transformation 1 = solar PV or solar therm technolgy electricity generation
   
   Distribution = grid or on-site use
   
   Transformation 2 = utlimate usage such as lighting, motion, heating, etc.
   For hydrogen the Fuel is hydrocarbons or perhaps the combination of electricity + water. Transformation 1 converts the fuel to hydrogen, which is then distributed.

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   Delay And Deny Posted 3:50 am
   16 Oct 2008

   Hydrogen the "Horta" of Energy"hydrogen the Fuel is hydrocarbons "
   H2 -- Do you see a C?  I don't?  I don't see any carbon.
   H20 -> Nocera Process -> H2  
   Nope.   No C there.
   How about
   Solar -> Nocera Process -> H20 -> H
   Carbon?  Where?   It's like the Horta.  No carbon involved.
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horta_(Star_Trek)

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   Angelsnecropolis Posted 4:01 am
   16 Oct 2008

   Should beI still think electric cars SHOULD be the car of the future. Who wouldn't want a car they can "fuel up" at home? With solar panels it's free fuel.
   But the reason Bush is pushing hydrogen and fuel cells are getting all the attention is because you can sell it at the pump. It's difficult to sell electricity at the pump when you can get it at home. Big Oil will eventually have to shift to Big [fill-in-the-blank]. So the'yre probably betting on hydrogen.

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   GRLCowan Posted 12:09 pm
   16 Oct 2008

   Electricity-like combustion is how I see it goingBatteries contain oxygen and fuel when charged, and when discharged they contain chemicals that, had their production from the oxygen and the fuel been via combustion, would be ash.
   The difficulty of fitting much oxygen into a battery is why they don't yield much energy. So I would have them pull in air oxygen, burn something with it, and -- like a battery -- keep the ash on board. Except at refuelling time, it would be swapped for new fuel. The ash bin is much smaller than an equivalent hydrogen tank. More at my web page.
   --- G.R.L. Cowan, author of How fire can be tamed

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