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Climate uncertainty is a reason to take action and Fred Singer makes big bucks 3

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DotEarth links to an interview with economist Gary Yohe about, among other things, uncertainty.  Here’s the money quote:

e360: You’ve written recently about uncertainty over the future impacts of climate change and how that plays a role in discouraging action in reducing greenhouse gases. How do you spur world action on this issue when there are still questions out there about future levels of CO2 in the atmosphere and the range of future temperature increases?


Yohe: Uncertainly is ubiquitous. There are some fundamental conclusions that we now know: that the planet is warming; that humans are the cause of it. We’ve seen the climate signal and changes in global mean temperature ...  But there’s some uncertainty that simply will not be resolved in a timely fashion. Yet once you adopt a risk-management perspective, then uncertainty becomes a reason to do something rather than a reason not to do something. And people who argue against doing anything then have to guarantee that humans aren’t changing the climate. They can’t do that, so they can’t argue against enacting some climate policy. At the same time, though, uncertainty is something we need to recognize will be persistent. We have to learn how to make decisions under uncertainty.

Well said!

Over on Rabett Run, Eli looks into Fred Singer’s finances.  Turns out you get paid pretty well to be famous skeptic.  I should note here that I don’t believe skeptics are doing it for the money.  I am quite convinced that they would be saying exactly the same thing even if they were not getting paid for it.  The huge amounts of money they get paid (according to Eli, Fred got $143,000 for his work on the NIPCC) is just a nice bonus.  Hey Fred, can I get a job with SEPP?

ClimateAudit has a pretty good post on tropical temperatures:

For people that look at data, it is obvious that the data (in each incarnation) is highly autocorrelated; the degrees of freedom in autocorrelated data can be much lower than people think and, accordingly, the confidence intervals can be surprisingly wide (a point made in Santer et al 2008, though there are some defects in their analysis that we discussed before).

This explains why scientists are not terribly interested in the question of temperature trends “since 1998.”  Given the large internal variability and autocorrelation in the data, you just can’t conclude anything about trends in such a short time period.  What are the implications of this uncertainty?  See the DotEarth link above ...

Andrew Dessler is an associate professor in the Department of Atmospheric Sciences at Texas A&M University; his research focuses on the physics of climate change, climate feedbacks in particular.

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  1. Delay And Deny's avatar

    Delay And Deny Posted 1:35 am
    19 Dec 2008

    Go With The Floehttp://www.e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2101
    e360: You've said that adaptation is not a dirty word. What did you mean by that?
    Yohe: For a very long time, it seems to a lot of us that the environmental"It seems to a lot of us that the environmental community has looked at adaptation as something to be avoided." community has looked at adaptation as something to be avoided, to be ignored, to be eliminated from the conversations...
    e360: Because it was an admission of defeat when it came to tackling global warming?
    Yohe: Because it was an admission of defeat to some degree, but also because they thought it takes your eye off the ball of trying to reduce the source of the problem. The Fourth Assessment Report of the IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] has made it very clear that we need to do both adaptation and mitigation, that if we were to shut off greenhouse gas emissions tomorrow, we've already committed ourselves to another six-tenths or seven-tenths of a degree of warming over the course of the next century and associated with that warming will be impacts to which we will have to respond. We're committed to a certain amount of sea-level rise that there's nothing we can do about, and we need to prepare for that.

    "This is the essence of science...you ask an impertinent question and you're on your way to a pertinent answer." -- Fox Mulder, S1E4, "Conduit"
  2. EliRabett Posted 9:47 am
    19 Dec 2008

    PlsHi,
    I put up the link to the Form 990.  Interesting thing is that the money apparently did not come from the Heartland Institute or the Marshall Institute.
    On the other hand, pls blog more often
  3. EliRabett Posted 2:11 am
    24 Dec 2008

    Autocorrelation isAn important point is that autocorrelation between locations means that you don't need a lot of locations to measure global parameters.  A point that gets lost early.

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