Huff Po blows it

Skeptic screed on progressive news site recycles familiar myths 3

This post was co-written with David Roberts.

Recently Harold Ambler, climate crank and proprietor of TalkingAboutTheWeather.com,  published an essay on Huffington Post replete with gross factual errors about the science of climate change.

Word is that this was an editorial slip-up on HuffPo’s part; they don’t typically provide a place for this kind of agitprop. The essay is gone from the site’s portal pages and rumor has it The Huff herself may address the issue soon.

Regardless, the essay is out there getting skeptics all twitterpated (again). These folks can’t find a scientific journal with two hands and a flashlight, but nothing escapes their RSS feeds.

So lets examine a few of the claims again. After all, the only thing hucksters need is for the rest of us to get tired of repeating the same damn truths over and over again. Right?

Right off the bat Mr. Ambler recycles a classic, one of the most durable and thoroughly discredited skeptic chestnuts:

Because it turns out that there is an 800-year lag between temperature and carbon dioxide [in the ice age record], unlike the sense conveyed by Mr.  Gore’s graph. You are probably wondering by now—and if you are not,  you should be—which rises first, carbon dioxide or temperature. The answer? Temperature. In every case, the ice-core data shows that temperature rises precede rises in carbon dioxide by, on average, 800 years.

The basic science of atmospheric carbon dioxide is well explained in the IPCC reports and on numerous web sites, including in Grist’s How to Talk to a Skeptic series. It’s puzzling that it continues to confuse skeptics.

The claim that the CO2 rise begins after the temperature rise is correct but misleading.  The cause of the ice ages is well known: slight shifts in the Earth’s orbit.  Those shifts, however, are too weak to explain the full temperature swings seen during ice ages.  That’s where carbon dioxide comes in.  It acts as a feedback, taking the small effects of   orbital changes and turbocharging them into the enormous temperature swings observed in the historical record.

So yes, carbon dioxide plays a key role in ice ages.  Arguing otherwise demonstrates a lack of understanding of even the most rudimentary climate physics.

Next:

When the ocean-atmosphere system warms, the oceans discharge vast quantities of carbon dioxide in a process known as de-gassing. For this reason, warm and cold years show up on the Mauna Loa CO2 measurements even in the short term. For instance, the post-Pinatubo-eruption year of 1993 shows the lowest CO2 increase since measurements have been kept. When did the highest CO2 increase take place? During the super El Niño year of 1998.

Check out this plot of the Mauna Loa carbon dioxide record and tell me if you see any effect of ocean temperature in 1993 or 1998:

mauna loa co2

No?  Who you going to believe, Mr. Ambler or your lying eyes?

In fact, there’s no question that humans are responsible the atmospheric abundance of carbon dioxide.  The strongest evidence   comes from measurements of the isotopic signature of carbon dioxide— the amount of carbon-12, -13, and -14 in the atmosphere.  Carbon dioxide from fossil fuels has a unique signature not shared by biomass or volcanoes. This is well described in the IPCC reports and in this RealClimate post among other places.

Next:

  Meanwhile, the theory that carbon dioxide "drives"  climate in any meaningful way is simply wrong and, again, evidence of a "flat-Earth" mentality. Carbon dioxide cannot absorb an unlimited amount of infrared radiation. Why not? Because it only absorbs heat along limited bandwidths, and is already absorbing just about everything it can.

It is true that the forcing due to carbon dioxide is proportional to the logarithm of the concentration.  Mr. Ambler takes that fact and concludes that we are therefore at the maximum forcing from carbon dioxide.  Say what? While individual spectral lines do indeed saturate, adding more carbon dioxide pushes the level of saturation higher in the atmosphere—leading to additional heating of the surface.

Evidence of this can be found on Venus, which has a surface temperature of 450°C—hot enough to melt lead; hotter even than Mercury, which is closer to the sun.  Why so hot? Venus has a thick, carbon-dioxide-rich atmosphere, which Mercury does not.  If, as Mr.  Ambler claims, carbon dioxide saturates, Venus’ temperature ought to be lower than Earth’s, owing to the thick sulfuric acid clouds that shroud the planet and reflect sunlight.  It’s not; Mr. Ambler does not know what he’s talking about.

Next:

Further, the IPCC Fourth Assessment, like all the ones before it, is based on computer models that presume a positive feedback of atmospheric warming via increased water vapor. … This mechanism has never been shown to exist.

This is another skeptic zombie that just won’t stay killed. It could not be more wrong if Sarah Palin herself said it.

In fact, one of us (hint: not the blogger) recently published a paper estimating the magnitude of the water-vapor feedback exclusively from data—no climate models involved.  Sure enough, the water vapor feedback is strong and positive.  There are several other observation-based analyses that agree with this conclusion (see references in the paper).

Next:

  By the way, water vapor is far more prevalent, and relevant, in the atmosphere than carbon dioxide—a trace gas. Water vapor’s absorption spectrum also overlays that of carbon dioxide. They cannot both absorb the same energy!

To give Mr. Ambler some credit, this was the subject of legitimate scientific uncertainty ... in the first half of the twentieth century.  However, careful spectroscopic measurements settled it about 50 years ago.  There is indeed some overlap, but enough lines do not overlap that carbon dioxide is indeed an important greenhouse gas.

Indeed, the case against carbon dioxide is pretty close to airtight—see, e.g., this old post.

Finally, Mr. Ambler shares his theory of why the climate is warming: it’s everything other than carbon dioxide! It appears the climate science community has gotten it as wrong as those kooky tobacco alarmists.

Notwithstanding Mr. Ambler’s confusions and deceits, humans are now in the climatic drivers’ seat, with the pedal to the metal. Maybe it’s time we put our hands on the wheel.

Andrew Dessler is an associate professor in the Department of Atmospheric Sciences at Texas A&M University; his research focuses on the physics of climate change, climate feedbacks in particular.

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  1. Erik Hoffner's avatar

    Erik Hoffner Posted 10:21 am
    06 Jan 2009

    dumbasseryYes, this one deserves to be filed under dumbassery. Every media outlet feels it must print skeptics now that Al Gore got his Nobel or something. Gotta have that balance, even if one side is just wrong.
    Erik

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  2. GreyFlcn Posted 5:36 pm
    06 Jan 2009

    Climate PrimerWhat I'm surprised is that there isn't much of a "Climate Science Primer" out there.

    (i.e. A barebones need-to-know understanding of some of the key aspects of climate science)
    For instance,

    * For 10,000+ year periods, the primary changes in earth's temperature is caused by changes in the earth's orbit relative to the sun.  But that's far too slow to explain the past few decades, much less the past few centuries.

    http://greyfalcon.net/milankovitch
    * How the Sun doesn't explain the bulk of what's going on in the past half century because the region above the greenhouse layer is getting colder, while the region with the greenhouse layer is getting warmer. (If it were just the sun increasing it's output, both would be getting warmer.)

    http://greyfalcon.net/forcing2.png
    * Not to mention, we've had 3 sets of satellites up for the past 40 years, and the solar irradiance has dropped off, but the temperature keeps going way up

    http://greyfalcon.net/solar.png
    * How water vapor, while it is the dominant cause of our greenhouse effect, the amount of water vapor in the troposphere is dependant on the temperature of the troposphere. (Not the other way around)

    Which means that Carbon based Tropospheric Warming leads to increasing holding capacity for Tropospheric Water Vapor. (i.e. a Megaphone effect)

    http://greyfalcon.net/watervapor.png

    (Which by the way, is that A. Dessler guy who I think it is?

    http://www.agu.org/journals/scripts/highlight.php?pid=200 ...)
    * And how 1998 and 2008 can't be meaningfully explained without the inclusion of the El Nino Southern Oscillation

    (Followed by the stupidity of basing any trendlines primarily on those years.)

    http://greyfalcon.net/rsstemps2.png

    http://greyfalcon.net/elnino

    http://greyfalcon.net/lanina

    http://greyfalcon.net/enso
    * 1934 versus 1998 thing was local to the mainland US.  Not global.

    http://greyfalcon.net/ustemps.png

    http://greyfalcon.net/globaltemps.png
    * the numbers on the carbon cycle

    http://greyfalcon.net/carbon2
    * Aerosols; Cloud Condensation Nuclei, why cosmic ray theory is bunk, and the importance of peer reviewed physical science journals.

    (In short, the aersols formed by cosmic rays are way to small, and the rays don't have any meaningful correlation)

    http://rabett.blogspot.com/2007/05/things-heat-up-climate ...

    ((And any attemps at a correlation focus on timeframes of months, when if there was a real correlation it should come into effect in minutes))

    http://rabett.blogspot.com/2006/10/svensmark-stumbles-int ...

    http://rabett.blogspot.com/2007/03/cloudy-day-nexus-6-hav ...

    http://rabett.blogspot.com/2007/07/throwing-in-towel-one- ...

    http://rabett.blogspot.com/2007/02/from-another-life.html ...
    * A direct attack on the twin arguments of:

    "If ONE variable doesn't explain ALL climate behavior, then it cannot explain ANY climate behavior."

    "There are UNLIMITED variables, therefore it's so complex, we can't even begin to understand anything, so we might as well just do nothing."

    (i.e. Put Solar+Aerosols+ENSO+GreenHouseGases and even though that doesn't explain things down to the tiniest detail, it does a pretty good job of it)

    http://greyfalcon.net/lean2005.png
    *And of course, put forward the argument that

    "Why the earth is warming" cannot be debunked by

    "I don't agree with the Science, because I don't like the Political Implications"

    http://greyfalcon.net/gingrich

    Or debunked by "Well you can't tell what will happen when/where exactly as a result of the warming, ie Hurricanes, Sea Level Rise, etc"

    Because the core thing (for Now atleast) is "Why the earth is warming".

    Not "What will happen as a result of warming".
    * The thing that really has scientists hair on fire:

    The prospect of non-linear warming caused by Feedback loops (i.e. thawing ice/permafrost/hydrates).
    * And of course, lastly I propose labeling ourselves, as:

    "Climate Realists"

    (Since as mentions, there's a lot of benefit to framing things in the possitive, rather than the negative sence.

    Otherwise those ensuring the choice of abortion for women would call themselves the "Anti-Life" movement)

    (And sure it's slightly pretencious to say that you're a "Realist". However no more so than to say that "climate skeptics" are the only scientists who are skeptical.  All scientists who trust in empirical evidence are skeptical.)
    Roundup:



    Milankovitch Cycles

    Sun's limited Role: Solar Irradiance versus Temperature doesn't match

    Sun's limited Role: Tropospheric Warming, Stratospheric Cooling

    Water Vapor MegaPhone effect, and why Water vapor alone can't "cause" warming.

    1998 and 2008 are tied to the ENSO effect

    1934 wasn't "hottest" globally

    Basic Carbon Cycle Numbers

    Aerosols, Cosmic Ray Theory, and Why psuedo-science doesn't cut it

    Climate isn't determined by 1 variable alone, nor by unlimited primary variables

    "Disagreeing with Reality" because you don't like the Political Implications, is delussional

    Not knowing exactly the outcomes of this warming as we move forward, doesn't mean we can't know the root causes of the warming we've already experienced

    Non-Linear warming can be damned scary : Tipping Points

    "Climate Realists"


    _
    (p.s. Hate to use a hobby as an analogy, but I tend to do this whenever I get into a video gaming community, and want to train up some newbies)

    http://forums.station.sony.com/ps/posts/list.m?topic_id=7 ...

    http://greyfalcon.net/ns

    http://greyfalcon.net/tf2

    -David Ahlport

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