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Is the Dow Jones Sustainability Index worth a damn? 9

green suitRecently, the web has been abuzz with stories about (and press releases from) companies ranked highly by the Dow Jones Sustainability Index review. The vaunted stock ticker-picker turned its eyes to green a full ten years ago to track the financial performance of “sustainability-driven companies worldwide.” Each year it releases a review of the companies in the index, using their economic, environmental, and social performance to rank them (and sometimes remove them). And the companies, in turn, use it as an excuse to make eco-happy headlines.

So what’s with all the hubbub? And is it important to us mere mortals, or just to companies and investors? We checked in with a couple of our favorite eco-business experts, Joel Makower of GreenBiz.com and Auden Schendler of Aspen Skiing Co., to get their take. Here’s what they had to say.

Should average consumers pay attention to the DJSI review? Why or why not?

makowerMakower: No. Being named to the DJSI may be a badge of honor (or seems to be, based on the stream of press releases I get from those companies), but it isn’t really a marker for “green.” DJSI refers to these as “leading sustainability-driven companies,” and there may be some truth to that, in that these are companies that stand to benefit from growing attention to energy, water, toxics, and carbon. But being named as “components” of DJSI doesn’t necessarily mean that these companies have comprehensive green policies and practices, let alone performance.

schendlerSchendler: Consumers should pay attention, absolutely, because whether they admit it or not, corporations are paying attention, and are striving to get on, or advance up this list, meaning the the index is influencing practices. We badly need third-party assessments of corporate responsibility, no matter how flawed. We have never had any. We’ll improve on it eventually, but the DJSI is what’s for dinner right now, and it represents an honest effort to assess businesses

Of the 19 companies identified as “supersector” leaders, are there any that jump out at you as particularly surprising?

Makower: I can’t claim to be fully knowledgeable about some of these companies, particularly the non-U.S. firms. In general, it’s what I’d expect from Dow Jones: a marketbasket of companies representing a range of industries and geographies. But I could have picked other companies in the same sectors. It’s all so subjective.

Schendler: When Forbes recently headlined an issue by declaring ExxonMobil a green company because it has invested in natural gas exploration, I blew spaghetti out my nose. But on this list, there weren’t companies that jumped out at me as flagrant offenders. Some jumped out as especially deserving: these include Panasonic, Swiss Re, and Roche.

When it comes to evaluating sustainability, how should one measure a company’s performance vs. its products?

Makower: It’s a big problem. Right now, there’s no standard way of assessing a company. ISO 14001 is a good standard for company performance at the facility level, but it doesn’t speak to activities at the corporate level, or any aspect of sustainability beyond environmental. The Global Reporting Initiative helps companies report their sustainability performance in a standardized way, so we can compare company to company, but it doesn’t say anything about how good companies need to be. Same with other current standards. Someday there will be a global standard for a “green” or “sustainable” company (two different things, by the way). But for now, consumers are left to their own devices.

dow jones logoSchendler: There’s a hierarchy when it comes to sustainable business measures. Climate change is the issue of our time. So addressing climate with the biggest lever is by far the most important thing a corporation can do. And because our failure to solve climate and health care is fundamentally a function of the influence of corporate money on politics (politicians can’t make the right decision, they have to make the decision that keeps them in office), how businesses spend money on politics is perhaps the hallmark of how responsible they are. (If the Supreme Court allows corporate financed ads, as they well may, we can kiss our democracy goodbye.) If a business is working on its carbon footprint (good!) but not lobbying for climate policy, it’s missing the big picture. And if a business is working on factory water use but not climate, same deal. Again, this sounds harsh, but we have a climate problem first. Toxics in cosmetics is something we need to address, but it doesn’t get the same point allocation as climate action. If we don’t solve climate, we won’t be worrying about BPA in our water bottles anymore.

Along the same lines, what do you make of resulting press coverage like this: “Want an eco-friendly car? Buy a BMW!” Does it do a disservice to companies making greener products? Or does it uncover deeper, more useful information? Might it help or confuse consumers?

Makower: The mainstream media does a superb job of trivializing most environmental issues, and is particularly adept at using meaningless, hyped phrases—“Company X is going green!” (sometimes including the exclamation point). What, after all, is an eco-friendly car? Is it an electric one, or one that guzzles 20 percent less gas than it used to? The answer is probably “Yes.” Or “No.” It’s all in the eye of the beholder. Much like the DJSI companies.

Schendler: I was recently at the swimming pool talking to a friend about her family car purchase. She said: “Yeah, we heard Priuses weren’t that green—there are some issues with battery disposal. So we got a Subaru.” There’s a problem with that logic though. We don’t have a battery disposal problem, we have a climate problem. And even if we were overrun with batteries we couldn’t dispose of safely, the climate problem would still trump the battery problem. And the Prius is much better at solving climate than the Subaru.  One of the issues I have with sustainability indexes in general is that, like people do, they tend to value multiple criteria equally. So BMW, not known for efficient cars, gets a good rating, presumably for some of its other practices. But those practices, while admirable, are not as important as producing an efficient fleet of vehicles. Toyota is doing that. So is Honda. Ranking BMW so highly is therefore misleading to consumers.

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  1. SteveH Posted 11:18 am
    14 Sep 2009

    Simple answer: No. Not that DJSI is necessarily poor in or execution, but because consumers must have the drive to purchase sustainabily for the index to matter a lick.  And then the index is for the company, not the products or services produced.  So while it would be ideal for a consumer to utilize this index, I think its more likely that an index produced by a NGO, such as is done by several groups for seafood, would have a greater impact than DJSI.  I'm not going to research every single company that makes the products I purchase, and only 2 or 3 of the global supersector leaders even produce something that I would buy.  Long-term, I see value in the DJSI, but its not a consumer-oriented device that will lead to better consumption. 
  2. dstangis Posted 6:39 pm
    14 Sep 2009

    Wow - talking about biting one's tongue!  I respect both Joel and Auden and have for years, but if blogging about the DJSI, why not grab a few of us that have been engaged from a company perspective since the beginning - 1998/1999?I agree and disagree with some of the comments made in this story.  I can tell you with direct skin in the game from 2 Fortune 500 companies, one that has been in the index for 10 years and the only U.S. based Supersector leader for many years....and another newcomer to the index, this may be one of THE most salient indicators of sustainability management on the planet.  Is it all about GREEN?...No.  Is it a perfect indicator?... No.  Is it a critical analysis of the management priorities of a company in the 21st century?  Yes.   Does it drive continuous improvement among the largest companies in the world?... Yes.And I guess, most importantly...Is the Dow Jones Sustainability Index Worth a Damn?  Without a Doubt...Yes.  I can give you tangible and concrete examples of the ways the Index has been put to use to make company's more sustainable...period.
  3. Steven Earl Salmony Posted 7:41 am
    15 Sep 2009

    If only some way could be found to sensibly and responsibly legislate limitations on the current colossal scale and patently unsustainable growth rate of unbridled human greediness, that could make a difference that makes a difference.On the other hand, if rampant person-centered greed continues to rule the human world absolutely as it does so evidently in our time, then the future looks bleak for the children’s wellbeing, biodiversity, life as we know it, and coming generations.Perhaps necessary human behavior change toward sharing and sustainable living is in the offing.Steven Earl Salmony
    AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population,
    established 2001
    http://sustainabilityscience.org/content.html?contentid=1176
    http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/index.php
  4. Steven Earl Salmony Posted 7:42 am
    15 Sep 2009

    If only some way could be found to sensibly and responsibly legislate limitations on the current colossal scale and patently unsustainable growth rate of unbridled human greediness, that could make a difference that makes a difference.On the other hand, if rampant person-centered greed continues to rule the human world absolutely as it does so evidently in our time, then the future looks bleak for the children’s wellbeing, biodiversity, life as we know it, and coming generations.Perhaps necessary human behavior change toward sharing and sustainable living is in the offing.Steven Earl Salmony
    AWAREness Campaign on The Human Population,
    established 2001
    http://sustainabilityscience.org/content.html?contentid=1176
    http://sustainabilitysoutheast.org/index.php
  5. Auden Schendler's avatar

    Auden Schendler Posted 8:32 pm
    15 Sep 2009

    Dstangis: You should download away! Joel and I and Grist, and others, would welcome insight from someone with experience like yours. This should be a no-bite-your-tongue zone!Auden
  6. Sybille Reitz, Dow Jones Indexes Posted 9:30 am
    16 Sep 2009

     "Don’t
    bite your tongue, DSTANGIS. Dow Jones Indexes and SAM in Zurich,
    who created the index 10 years ago, appreciate your comments. And we are
    excited to see this discussion about sustainability, green issues and of course
    our Dow Jones Sustainability Indexes that we picked up on the comments section
    here as well as on Twitter. We would like to offer our thoughts to some points
    made in the piece.  First,
    the idea that “being named as ‘components’ of DJSI doesn’t necessarily
    mean that these companies have comprehensive green policies and practices, let
    alone performance.”
    Generally, we don’t disagree with this
    statement. Since sustainability covers all three dimensions – economic,
    environmental and social – we might identify a sustainability leader that does
    particularly well in two of the three dimensions, for example in the economic
    and social dimensions. We’d like to point out that the companies in the index
    are chosen mostly because they’ve adopted sustainable practices. Which
    practices? Well, there are hundreds. Many of which you can see in thequestionnaire that eligible companies must answer.  Additionally, it was said that the way we pick
    companies is “so subjective,” and that environmental
    criteria are “all in the eye of the beholder.  I won’t
    quibble over the fact that any judgment made by a person is by nature
    subjective, but the reality is that the selection of the components is strictly
    rules- based. In addition the research methodology is continuously reviewed
    based on comprehensive dialogues with various stakeholders. So, as mentioned
    before, defining the criteria is certainly subjective – as is any research
    approach. And Dow Jones Indexes and SAM bring a lot of expertise to the table.
    However, applying these criteria to the index universe, the respective
    components, is not subjective. On the contrary. To apply criteria to assess
    companies, objectivity is important and we are using the same yardstick for any
    company in the same industry. The component selection criteria are built by surveying the investment and
    corporate community as well as academics and NGOs who are experts in sustainability. Some measurements are
    universal, such as with corporate governance. Other metrics are industry
    specific; an oil company’s CO2 emissions are simply quite different from an
    advertising agency’s emissions.  The underlying research of the Dow Jones
    Sustainability Indexes is verified by Deloitte to ensure its accuracy and that we’re deploying it
    consistently. (Here’s the 2009 statement
    from Deloitte
    ).While the methodology does change slightly each year to
    account for new research, the goal posts for performance get tougher – never
    weaker. For example, as part of our measurement of how
    companies are managing Talent Attraction and Retention, we just raised the
    optimal vesting period for shares and options to four years or more to identify
    companies that aligned incentives with a longer-term horizon (see page
    11
     of this presentation). Companies that don’t make the grade are
    cut, as 33 were a couple weeks ago (see press release here). Finally,
    it was stated that “One of the issues I have with sustainability indexes in
    general is that, like people do, they tend to value multiple criteria equally
    .” As you can see from pages
    9-11
     of our guidebook, that’s not the case with our indexes. I’m glad that so many people are paying
    attention to how we measure sustainability. In fact, I take all the
    conversations about this article as a metric for our community’s success in
    educating people about this topic. I’m happy to answer additional questions and
    welcome everyone’s input. To mark the 10th anniversary of the
    sustainability indexes, we’ve set up a blog,
    twitter feed, YouTube channel and Flickr feed to which I invite
    everyone to visit and share their thoughts.-Sybille Reitz, Dow Jones Indexes  
  7. dstangis Posted 5:43 pm
    16 Sep 2009

    Good, healthy debate drives transparency and can only make both the assessment and the assessed better :)
  8. Sybille Reitz, Dow Jones Indexes Posted 3:23 am
    17 Sep 2009

    I absolutely agree and we appreciate transparent and healthy debates! 
  9. Sybille Reitz, Dow Jones Indexes Posted 3:25 am
    17 Sep 2009

    I absolutely agree and we appreciate transparent and healthy debates! 

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