House passes landmark climate and clean-energy bill 10

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   bailsout Posted 9:30 am
   27 Jun 2009

   Oops! You listed Carolyn McCarthy twice, once on the aye list and once on the nay list, but with different state and party affliliations. Knowing my rep and his typically republican biases it is he that should be in the nay column, Kevin McCarthy.

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      Russ Walker Posted 12:37 pm
      27 Jun 2009

      Good catch.  will fix

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   nhammond Posted 12:56 pm
   28 Jun 2009

   Although I realize that Waxman-Markley has many enviros saying "Eek!" the correct expression is "eked out."

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      Russ Walker Posted 7:18 pm
      28 Jun 2009

      Bad editing at the end of a long day of climate bill action. Thanks for the catch. It's been updated.

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   Tyler Durden Posted 9:06 pm
   28 Jun 2009

   I think this bill will cause more harm than good.  For example, one of its evil provisions is that the Clean Air Act will no longer apply to CO2 except for mobile sources.  So, the EPA will lose its ability to regulate CO2 emissions from coal plants.  The Center for Biological Diversity has an excellent analysis of the bill, which everyone should read before going gaga over it.  This bill can still be amended to remove the bad aspects and add good ones, but the prospects of doing that in the Senate, which is almost always more conservative than the House, are pretty slim.

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      randino Posted 4:44 am
      29 Jun 2009

      I don't think anyone has stars in their eyes or is going gaga over this bill.  After all it is not our bill, it is Congress's bill - god help us.  But this is what is hard about being active on an issue.  You mull it over, read all the pros and cons, and then take a leap and hope like hell it is for the best.  I just don't want us to get into a bloodbath over this.  At the end of the day, both the pros and the cons will have a hell of a lot more in common with each other, than they ever will with the deniers and planet killers.  Let's remember that.  From my past life in the sectarian left, I saw way too much of that and do not want to see it over this.  Let's keep a cool head, and even though you think the other side has drunk the Kool Aid on this issue, realize that they are your brothers and sisters in struggle all the same. Don't worry. I am not going to urge us to join hands and sing Kumbaya.   Randy Cunningham  

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         Tyler Durden Posted 9:09 pm
         29 Jun 2009

         There's a big difference between a weak bill and one that will do more harm than good.  I cannot support a bill that subsidizes coal plants or weakens the Clean Air Act.I think you have a major misconception here: corporate Democrats are not our allies.  We might be able to join forces with them on some issues, but we are basically fundamentally opposed to each other's ideals.  I do not at all consider Obama or his corporate scum to be my brothers and sisters.  They are the enemy, albeit less of one than the Bush/Cheney things, er, I mean people.

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   oracle2world Posted 6:28 am
   29 Jun 2009

   I think this legislation has so many caveats and loopholes that it will be business as usual.  Taxes will go up, CO2 will continue to rise, temperature over the next ten years anyone's guess, and the poor take it in the shorts.I love democracy!

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